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Post by lou on Feb 10, 2017 11:03:21 GMT -5
A way to speed up the game, the one concern, the manager may bunt! Tinker With Extra-Inning Rules? Cue the Purists’ Outrage nyti.ms/2k86oDA |
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Post by hchoops on Feb 10, 2017 11:08:37 GMT -5
Say it ain't so, Joe !
DO NOT CHANGE THE RULES !!
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 10, 2017 12:53:51 GMT -5
NOOOO!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 10, 2017 17:09:48 GMT -5
Unbelieveably stupid idea--incomprehensibly moronic
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Post by ncaam on Feb 10, 2017 17:18:59 GMT -5
Speed up non-TV commercial games by giving P one minute after last out to warm up. Imagine having the P run out to the mound. I agree in point that baseball is a dying sport because it's too damn slow. (By TV games I mean MLB.) Minor league baseball games are quick. Other leagues can learn from them.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 10, 2017 17:28:59 GMT -5
There are no tv no commercial games. All games are on some tv. All games have commercials.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 11, 2017 9:19:54 GMT -5
pace of play is the problem not the length of the game...
consider using video technology to edit out the dead time during the inning, eg intentional walks, pitching changes, even meaningless at bats early in the game. The tv broadcast could start 30/45 minutes after the live start and catch up to the live action so that the final inning or two are real time. It might enhance the experience at the ball park as well by not having to wait for commercials to air every 3 outs.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2017 9:48:23 GMT -5
pace of play is the problem not the length of the game... consider using video technology to edit out the dead time during the inning, eg intentional walks, pitching changes, even meaningless at bats early in the game. The tv broadcast could start 30/45 minutes after the live start and catch up to the live action so that the final inning or two are real time. It might enhance the experience at the ball park as well by not having to wait for commercials to air every 3 outs. Interesting approach. It is one I would like to see tried. |
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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2017 18:26:39 GMT -5
pace of play is the problem not the length of the game... consider using video technology to edit out the dead time during the inning, eg intentional walks, pitching changes, even meaningless at bats early in the game. The tv broadcast could start 30/45 minutes after the live start and catch up to the live action so that the final inning or two are real time. It might enhance the experience at the ball park as well by not having to wait for commercials to air every 3 outs. This sounds too reasonable to work. it sounds as if the telecast would be shorter=fewer commercials-less revenue=NO |
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Post by lou on Feb 12, 2017 10:57:41 GMT -5
some easy answers that would get me back watching... pitchers, get the ball, get the sign and just pitch. Hitters, no moving in and out of box, adjusting gloves etc, just hit
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Post by timholycross on Feb 13, 2017 9:46:21 GMT -5
pace of play is the problem not the length of the game... consider using video technology to edit out the dead time during the inning, eg intentional walks, pitching changes, even meaningless at bats early in the game. The tv broadcast could start 30/45 minutes after the live start and catch up to the live action so that the final inning or two are real time. It might enhance the experience at the ball park as well by not having to wait for commercials to air every 3 outs. One can do that now with a dvr...set it so it jumps every 15 seconds and you will never miss a pitch if you don't want to miss one. I was quite surprised by the results listed here, would have thought by not having the pitcher bat there would be more during-the-inning pitching changes and therefore the AL games would be slower. It's 2 years old so maybe the last two years showed different results. fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/is-the-dh-rule-bane-of-baseball-purists-slowing-the-game-down/ |
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Post by hchoops on Feb 13, 2017 9:58:43 GMT -5
Fewer pitching changes in the AL may account for some of this
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 13, 2017 10:55:48 GMT -5
Return to the wider strikezone. Did you know that in 1988, the top of the strike zone was lowered They dropped the bottom of the strike zone in 1996 from the top of the knees to the bottom of the knees. There is talk of going back to the top of the knees, but IMO that will only lengthen games becasue it will be tougher to throw strikes. More walks, more standing there watching guys take pitches. Go back to the 1969 definition of a strike - which was also the definition from 1950 - 1963. Bigger strike zone, more swings, quicker outs or more hits, and if not a shorter game, at least more action. Good summary of changes in the definition of a strike, here: mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/strike_zone.jsp |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 14, 2017 10:14:19 GMT -5
some easy answers that would get me back watching... pitchers, get the ball, get the sign and just pitch. Hitters, no moving in and out of box, adjusting gloves etc, just hit THESE are the initiatives MLB needs to take. Tinkering with the rules won't change the way that the players play. Things that are murdering baseball: - Batters stepping out after every pitch, adjusting themselves, blinking uncontrollably, and other OCD-like tendencies. There are supposed to be rules to prevent this, but short of the ump clapping to indicate "let's play," there isn't any recourse. - Pitchers stepping off the mound after every pitch to clean their spikes, wipe their brow, take off/adjust their caps... this is why as electric as Dellin Betances is, it is painful to watch him pitch. These first two categories are really cat and mouse to one another. Batters will often dive out of the box when a pitcher botches his motion or has to step off the mound. Conversely, pitchers will quickly duck off the mound when a batter "gets something in his eye" or has to adjust his jock strap. I know it's baseball courtesy, but at some point, something has to give. If I were a pitcher, I would groove one as long as the ump was behind the plate, and steal a quick strike. That would end batters ducking out of the box if there wasn't timeout granted every two seconds. Other culprits: - Throws to first base with a runner on. This very rarely results in a pick off of a runner, which is a somewhat-exciting play I guess... but all it does is bring the game to a crawl. As a Yankee fan, I can't tell you how many times the pitcher throws to first base with Brett Gardner on (who is actually an awful stealer, just very fast) only for him to slide back into the bag easily. 10 throws over later, he never attempts to steal the base anyway. Maybe the point is to freeze the running game, but it freezes the action and makes it boring. - Related to that, but more minor, are signs from the bench. Again this is part of the culture of the game, but the manager putting out 6 signs for the catcher to throw down his sequence, and then the pitcher to nod them off or ask for them again... brutal. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 14, 2017 11:10:04 GMT -5
I agree 100% with the two "murdering" proposals. Think back to the obnoxious Carlton Fisk stepping out after every single pitch--no exaggeration
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Post by lou on Feb 14, 2017 11:14:47 GMT -5
I agree 100% with the two "murdering" proposals. Think back to the obnoxious Carlton Fisk stepping out after every single pitch--no exaggeration I think every kid at Williamsport put up his right arm toward the ump while stepping out of the box, as D Jeter perfected. |
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Post by alum on Feb 14, 2017 11:21:36 GMT -5
I agree 100% with the two "murdering" proposals. Think back to the obnoxious Carlton Fisk stepping out after every single pitch--no exaggeration Hey, hey, hey---Carlton Fisk was my favorite player as a kid. Game 6 of the 1975 World Series is still one of the greatest games ever played and my guy won it. Oh, and as to Lou's comment about kids imitating Jeter holding his hand up to the ump.... I saw a lot of that coaching youth baseball. Of course, I had one kid on my team who did it wrong--he would put his hand up facing the pitcher. Come to think about it, though, given baseball etiquette, maybe his way made more sense. |
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Post by Jim on Feb 17, 2017 14:08:41 GMT -5
I've long preferred watching baseball on the radio.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 17, 2017 14:27:10 GMT -5
I've long preferred watching baseball on the radio. Understandable, except the commercials mid-inning cannot be muted and the length of some games is still interminable. |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 17, 2017 15:19:44 GMT -5
I've long preferred watching baseball on the radio. I loved baseball on the radio on a summer beach...even with the "crack of the bat" supplied by two planks.  |
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Post by Tom on Feb 17, 2017 16:09:27 GMT -5
some easy answers that would get me back watching... pitchers, get the ball, get the sign and just pitch. Hitters, no moving in and out of box, adjusting gloves etc, just hit THESE are the initiatives MLB needs to take. Tinkering with the rules won't change the way that the players play. Things that are murdering baseball: - Batters stepping out after every pitch, adjusting themselves, blinking uncontrollably, and other OCD-like tendencies. There are supposed to be rules to prevent this, but short of the ump clapping to indicate "let's play," there isn't any recourse. - Pitchers stepping off the mound after every pitch to clean their spikes, wipe their brow, take off/adjust their caps... this is why as electric as Dellin Betances is, it is painful to watch him pitch. These first two categories are really cat and mouse to one another. Batters will often dive out of the box when a pitcher botches his motion or has to step off the mound. Conversely, pitchers will quickly duck off the mound when a batter "gets something in his eye" or has to adjust his jock strap. I know it's baseball courtesy, but at some point, something has to give. If I were a pitcher, I would groove one as long as the ump was behind the plate, and steal a quick strike. That would end batters ducking out of the box if there wasn't timeout granted every two seconds. Other culprits: - Throws to first base with a runner on. This very rarely results in a pick off of a runner, which is a somewhat-exciting play I guess... but all it does is bring the game to a crawl. As a Yankee fan, I can't tell you how many times the pitcher throws to first base with Brett Gardner on (who is actually an awful stealer, just very fast) only for him to slide back into the bag easily. 10 throws over later, he never attempts to steal the base anyway. Maybe the point is to freeze the running game, but it freezes the action and makes it boring. - Related to that, but more minor, are signs from the bench. Again this is part of the culture of the game, but the manager putting out 6 signs for the catcher to throw down his sequence, and then the pitcher to nod them off or ask for them again... brutal. They've kind of pretended to do it and then not enforced it. Umpires should limit the time outs. The batter asks for time. Umpires always give it, they don't have to. Grant it once during an at bat. If the batter asks again, don't grant it and stay in your crouch so the pitcher knows he can pitch even if the batter has stepped out. There's also an obscure rule that says the pitcher must pitch within a certain time frame or the umpire may call a ball. This only applies when the bases are empty. I have NEVER seen that rule enforced. I did see one hurry up ump at a high school game this year. The catcher made the last out and was putting his gear on. The pitcher was standing on the mound waiting for his catcher to get ready. The ump told the coach to get someone out right away to warm up the pitcher or there would be no warm up that inning |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 20, 2017 11:43:12 GMT -5
I did see one hurry up ump at a high school game this year. The catcher made the last out and was putting his gear on. The pitcher was standing on the mound waiting for his catcher to get ready. The ump told the coach to get someone out right away to warm up the pitcher or there would be no warm up that inning This happens all the time, even in the pros. Another player/coach will go out in a mask and maybe even knee pads to warm up the pitcher while the catcher gears up. I haven't seen this really delay issues. Anything regarding time between innings is determined by commercials 100%. The clocks and countdowns and all of that don't matter. I don't even think it's the biggest issue. The issue is in-game. You noted earlier (I didn't quote the whole post) that batters step out and umps don't have to grant time. A lot will stay in their crouch, but the pitcher still steps off the mound and walks around. The biggest issues are batters not staying in the box/pitchers not throwing to them, pitchers throwing to 1st base 14 times with a runner on first, and catchers coming out to discuss a pitch 5 times in a single at-bat. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 20, 2017 11:49:22 GMT -5
I've long preferred watching baseball on the radio. I loved baseball on the radio on a summer beach...even with the "crack of the bat" supplied by two planks. +1 Rob - baseball on the radio at the beach or in the back yard is the true cross-generational soundtrack of summer. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 20, 2017 11:56:04 GMT -5
I did see one hurry up ump at a high school game this year. The catcher made the last out and was putting his gear on. The pitcher was standing on the mound waiting for his catcher to get ready. The ump told the coach to get someone out right away to warm up the pitcher or there would be no warm up that inning This happens all the time, even in the pros. Another player/coach will go out in a mask and maybe even knee pads to warm up the pitcher while the catcher gears up. I haven't seen this really delay issues. Anything regarding time between innings is determined by commercials 100%. The clocks and countdowns and all of that don't matter. I don't even think it's the biggest issue. The issue is in-game. You noted earlier (I didn't quote the whole post) that batters step out and umps don't have to grant time. A lot will stay in their crouch, but the pitcher still steps off the mound and walks around. The biggest issues are batters not staying in the box/pitchers not throwing to them, pitchers throwing to 1st base 14 times with a runner on first, and catchers coming out to discuss a pitch 5 times in a single at-bat. The case I was referring to, the pitcher was waiting for his catcher and there was no move to get an alternate out there even though it is pretty standard at all levels. I just cited it as a rare example of an ump enforcing rules to speed up the game. Now I just need a major league ump to use his rules too |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 20, 2017 12:05:01 GMT -5
I loved baseball on the radio on a summer beach...even with the "crack of the bat" supplied by two planks. +1 Rob - baseball on the radio at the beach or in the back yard is the true cross-generational soundtrack of summer. My wife does not follow baseball, but whenever she can she has a game on the radio because, to her, it is a classic sound of summer. |
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