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Post by possum on Mar 3, 2017 6:41:27 GMT -5
Just an awful display of basketball last night by both teams neither of which deserved to win. I certainly hope the incoming freshmen can play because other than the miracle run at the end of last season, we have been watching bad basketball for a long long time. I was hoping that we had turned a corner last year but unfortunately we didn't keep the momentum going despite playing with a senior laden team. It certainly didn't help that the talent level was not enhanced by the freshmen class who provided little to no production.
Next year is probably not going to be good from a win/loss perspective but the most important thing will be the development of the freshmen class to show there is hope for the future. If this class does not produce it will probably signal the end of Carmody and we'll be starting over from scratch again.
From someone who lived through the Potter/Vicens Renaissance, 8-20 to 20-8 in their freshman year, anything is possible so let's hope we've seen the last of the bad basketball we've been watching for far too long.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2017 8:08:16 GMT -5
I like the PO...when run well. We never ran it, all season. .... IMO, couldn't put the right talent on the floor for the P.O. MH really wasn't a post player, and the other MH who could have played post, is at Neb-Omaha. And no offense will be successful if your guards shoot .076 percent from the field. Team had a thin bench, and too few players who could consistently be relied on for 8-10+ points a game. Simply can't abandon offensive rebounding when the outside shots aren't falling. I do wonder whether the team's aggressive, energetic defense affected their offensive play. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 3, 2017 8:48:43 GMT -5
We need some good shooters and may find some in our incoming freshmen
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 3, 2017 10:07:44 GMT -5
We need some good shooters and may find some in our incoming freshmen This. We had two players combine to shoot 94-297 3PT (31.6%) this season. Terrible. Two graduating seniors will rank in the top five in HC history in 3PT attempts, but they collectively shot 290-898 3PT (32.2%). We badly need guys who are able to shoot the basketball. |
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Post by possum on Mar 3, 2017 10:20:05 GMT -5
Carmody cited 2nd chance points as major reason for loss. Don't think we can continue to be out rebounded by an average of 10 per game and be successful.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 3, 2017 10:24:17 GMT -5
broken record, we can't shoot, we can't rebound......hey, CBC, teach them how to run the PO so the attempts will be layups so the issue of misses and rebounds is a moot point.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Mar 3, 2017 10:27:57 GMT -5
broken record, we can't shoot, we can't rebound......hey, CBC, teach them how to run the PO so the attempts will be layups so the issue of misses and rebounds is a moot point. It was a combination of not having the right personnel and guy's having a lack of confidence to hit guys on the backdoor cut all year. |
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Post by possum on Mar 3, 2017 10:28:22 GMT -5
SOV interesting you note the need for shooters when you dismissed Brown's assertions that we needed to make more shots.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2017 10:33:36 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Mar 3, 2017 10:52:49 GMT -5
SOV interesting you note the need for shooters when you dismissed Brown's assertions that we needed to make more shots. And our a10 calibre knock down 3 shooter was 1-13 on the year. Returning cbc recruit. |
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Post by sarasota on Mar 3, 2017 11:35:12 GMT -5
eric- Agree. There were innumerable instances of backdoor cuts that were successfully made and no one would pass the ball to them. Most times, the player holding the ball didn't even LOOK for a cutter. Drove me crazy. If you and I saw it, then CBC saw it. Why didn't he do something about it? Is he not assertive enough? Is he not a sufficient disciplinarian? Did he really have sufficient CONTROL OF THE TEAM? Crazy? I go by what I see. Two very experienced head coaches on the bench and an experienced ex-player. What the hell were they doing during all those hours of practice? Seriously. Stop with the lack-of-talent excuses. What does it take to make a successful cut and a successful pass?
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 3, 2017 11:38:02 GMT -5
And our a10 calibre knock down 3 shooter was 1-13 on the year. Returning cbc recruit. Who is that? What knock down 3 shooter would take 13 shots in season (making 1)? |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 3, 2017 11:50:06 GMT -5
Despite winning 15 games this year, we didn't have a winning streak greater than two games -- the first time this has happened since 2010-11.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 3, 2017 11:51:45 GMT -5
And our a10 calibre knock down 3 shooter was 1-13 on the year. Returning cbc recruit. What knock down 3 shooter would take 13 shots in season (making 1)? Zig |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 3, 2017 11:53:50 GMT -5
I could see Zig having a similar career trajectory to that of Mark Jerz or Kyle Cruze.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 3, 2017 12:00:47 GMT -5
I could see Zig having a similar career trajectory to that of Mark Jerz or Kyle Cruze. I had not thought of them...but you may be quite right (and we could be fortunate if he did). Mark, for example (and younger board members) had this as his background: He led the Patriot League and ranked fifth nationally in three point shooting accuracy, hitting 50.0 percent of his attempts (33 of 66) from beyond the arc in 2002-2003. A native of Spring Lake, N.J., Jerz left Bergen Catholic High School as its all-time leading scorer with 1,210 career points. He was a late bloomer, but had some memorable 3 point buckets...and nerves of steel. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 3, 2017 12:15:16 GMT -5
I could see Zig having a similar career trajectory to that of Mark Jerz or Kyle Cruze. Did you forgot to also include Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, and Chirs Hogan? |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 3, 2017 13:42:02 GMT -5
And our a10 calibre knock down 3 shooter was 1-13 on the year. Returning cbc recruit. Who is that? What knock down 3 shooter would take 13 shots in season (making 1)? While 1/13 is abysmal let's bear in mind that it is a small sample size and it's a younger player. For comparison I offer Matt Husek who went 3/22 on three point shots as a sophomore and has such a beautiful stroke that he went 39/99 this season. I won't project that MZ will become a dead-eye three point shooter but I won't bet big money against him either |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 3, 2017 13:43:58 GMT -5
I could see Zig having a similar career trajectory to that of Mark Jerz or Kyle Cruze. Mark Jerz was the guy I was thinking of--worked out, practiced, made himself into a highly valuable off-the-bench shooter. KC was a different model than Jerz, of course. |
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Post by Tom on Mar 3, 2017 16:05:01 GMT -5
SOV interesting you note the need for shooters when you dismissed Brown's assertions that we needed to make more shots. And our a10 calibre knock down 3 shooter was 1-13 on the year. Returning cbc recruit. And with that, the kid will head into next season with the second most made 3's on the team. Also has a few double digit scoring games under his belt. It might be a little premature to totally write the kid off |
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Post by ncaam on Mar 3, 2017 17:13:37 GMT -5
Who is that? What knock down 3 shooter would take 13 shots in season (making 1)? While 1/13 is abysmal let's bear in mind that it is a small sample size and it's a younger player. For comparison I offer Matt Husek who went 3/22 on three point shots as a sophomore and has such a beautiful stroke that he went 39/99 this season. I won't project that MZ will become a dead-eye three point shooter but I won't bet big money against him either Yes, Matt was a star on the team his Jr and Sr seasons. How many games did we win? If rising frosh player A or B starts next year and we win 10 games, was he a success at HC? |
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 3, 2017 17:17:32 GMT -5
While 1/13 is abysmal let's bear in mind that it is a small sample size and it's a younger player. For comparison I offer Matt Husek who went 3/22 on three point shots as a sophomore and has such a beautiful stroke that he went 39/99 this season. I won't project that MZ will become a dead-eye three point shooter but I won't bet big money against him either Yes, Matt was a star on the team his Jr and Sr seasons. How many games did we win? If rising frosh player A or B starts next year and we win 10 games, was he a success at HC? ...and 1 PLT Championship in 2 years. I'll take that every time.  |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 6, 2017 14:09:20 GMT -5
I could see Zig having a similar career trajectory to that of Mark Jerz or Kyle Cruze. Mark Jerz was the guy I was thinking of--worked out, practiced, made himself into a highly valuable off-the-bench shooter. KC was a different model than Jerz, of course. Cruze wasn't starting for his offense. He started because there were three to four scoring options ahead of him, and he played great defense and smart basketball. We need SCORING. Aggressive driving with a soft finish, a capable-if-not-excellent outside shot, cuts to the hoop, finishing the bunnies, and stone cold FT shooters. If you're not fitting one of those, you're not solving a weakness the team had. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 6, 2017 14:25:53 GMT -5
Mark Jerz was the guy I was thinking of--worked out, practiced, made himself into a highly valuable off-the-bench shooter. KC was a different model than Jerz, of course. We need SCORING. Aggressive driving with a soft finish, a capable-if-not-excellent outside shot, cuts to the hoop, finishing the bunnies, and stone cold FT shooters. See under "Green, Caleb" . . . imho. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 6, 2017 16:15:30 GMT -5
I hope you're right and would glad to cheer for it.
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