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Post by sarasota on Mar 22, 2017 13:22:59 GMT -5
I believe with a relatively few "exceptions" made by HC's Admissions Dept (maybe count them on the fingers of two hands), the bball and fball teams could make significant gains. Think of all the hair pulling and shirt rendering that could be so easily avoided--not to mention the increase in donations. That's all it takes. Think about that.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 22, 2017 13:27:20 GMT -5
Hmmm. Interesting.
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Post by Dean Wormer on Mar 22, 2017 13:32:48 GMT -5
Topic is fine to talk about. Not sure we need it in three separate places on the board.
Deleted the other 2. Keeping this one since it had a reply and is generally the highest traffic board.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 22, 2017 13:54:04 GMT -5
"Rending" would be better........
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Post by sarasota on Mar 22, 2017 16:00:28 GMT -5
KY- Thanks for correction.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 22, 2017 16:33:17 GMT -5
I believe with a relatively few "exceptions" made by HC's Admissions Dept (maybe count them on the fingers of two hands), the bball and fball teams could make significant gains. Think of all the hair pulling and shirt rendering that could be so easily avoided--not to mention the increase in donations. That's all it takes. Think about that. Out of curiosity what course of study with these "exceptions" follow? I laugh when I think of them sitting in a room with 10-12 classmates and facing Pr. Bill Green, Pr. Helen Whall etc. There are no joke majors or gut classes at HC, and my experience was that kids who weren't able to keep up were exposed and isolated very early in the process.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 22, 2017 17:44:54 GMT -5
They study the same curriculum as the players who now inhabit the lower band. Those student athletes seem to be graduating in perfect order.
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Post by Tom on Mar 23, 2017 11:28:35 GMT -5
They study the same curriculum as the players who now inhabit the lower band. Those student athletes seem to be graduating in perfect order. True, but by whatever formula admissions uses, 100 percent of he students in that lower band are more qualified than the exceptions we're talking about. The fact that the bottom 10 percent graduates does not imply that less qualified students would also graduate. Obviously there is on guarantee the other way that they would fail, but the greater the degree of "exception" would increase the probability that they would struggle academically There are a couple of names that pop into my head from my years at HC. Although I believe they both eventually graduated, neither made it out in four years and both required some consortium credits from Worcester St
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Post by ncaam on Mar 23, 2017 11:38:39 GMT -5
Take those who qualify for third band as floor. See how it works. Changes can be made later.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 23, 2017 13:23:01 GMT -5
Stock Summer Session with some less challenging courses. Of course, a problem is the PL AI requirements. If one is serious about sports competitiveness on a national level, then we have to get out from under the AI requirements, which means.....get out of the PL. If not, then try to enjoy where we are. Face it. HC will never win an NCAA tourney game (not a play-in game). Take it to the bank. Personally, I can live with that just fine.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2017 13:27:30 GMT -5
Why will HC never be able to win an NCAA tournament game if other PL teams have been able to go do??
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Post by sarasota on Mar 23, 2017 15:10:18 GMT -5
KY- Because the only way we get into the tourney is to win the PL and the only way we win the PL is to beat Bucknell and Boston Univ and Lehigh, teams that are on a different trajectory than HC. Then we may have to win a play-in game. Then we would have to win against a 1 seed or 2 seed or 3 seed. Get it? As I said, "HC will never win an NCAA tourney game." So if that's what you want to live and die for, go ahead. Live your life of defeat.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2017 16:00:57 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't see the logic in your response. I believe if Bucknell and Lehigh can win a tournament game then we can do so as well. We're in the same conference with similar resources and similar academic constraints.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 23, 2017 16:32:10 GMT -5
I get Bucknel's trajectory but what's Lehigh's trajectory?
Let's see. In 2012, they had a future NBA Lottery pick, won 13 games in the PL, finished second in the league, won the the PL Tourney and then beat Duke in as a 15 over a 2 seed.
They had that NBA draft pick for another season - though he was injured for much of it and then added a 2 time - should have been 3 time if you listen to his father - PL Player of the Year. In those 5 years the finished 3rd, 6th, 3rd, 2nd & 3rd and were unable to win the PL tournament in any of those 5 years.
And BU's trajectory? In 4 seasons in the PL seasons they have finished 1st, 5th, 3rd, and 2nd and have been to the PL Finals once.
Not sure either is the trajectory we want to be on.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 23, 2017 16:44:20 GMT -5
From where we are looking those trajectories are out of this world. Substitute "I am" for "we are".
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Post by ncaam on Mar 23, 2017 16:45:14 GMT -5
From where we are looking those trajectories are out of this world. Bucknell is the pride of the league. Year in and year out they compete for the PL crown. BU and LU must rebuild every year or two, but they can't be counted out year in and year out. They generally out recruit everyone but Bucknell but as bbc would say their coaching is suspect. Plain and simple, we have lost our mojo.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 23, 2017 16:59:58 GMT -5
The other PL schools are subject to the same AI as HC, and it can be argued, HC seems to have lower bands than some of the other PL schools.
I used an AI calculator for the Ivies, and the Ivies calculate somewhat differently than does the PL, but a SAT score of 1050 (V/M) and a weighted GPA of 2.90 in a graduating class of 400 gave me an AI of 170, which is two points above the PL AI floor. (Its below the Ivy floor.) ttps://www.goschoolwise.com/tools/academic-index
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 23, 2017 17:32:01 GMT -5
From where we are looking those trajectories are out of this world. Bucknell is the pride of the league. Year in and year out they compete for the PL crown. BU and LU must rebuild every year or two, but they can't be counted out year in and year out. They generally out recruit everyone but Bucknell but as bbc would say their coaching is suspect. Plain and simple, we have lost our mojo. No hockey. Makes a difference.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 23, 2017 17:55:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't see the logic in your response. I believe if Bucknell and Lehigh can win a tournament game then we can do so as well. We're in the same conference with similar resources and similar academic constraints. I agree, KY. Also, just to be clear the "First Four" are NCAA Tournament games. HC won an NCAA Tournament game in 2016 and I believe will do so again in the future.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 23, 2017 18:55:19 GMT -5
The three schools I enumerated don't have to win the PL at all. All they have to do is knock HC out of the PL tourney.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 23, 2017 18:58:06 GMT -5
Exactly. Just like Bucknell and Lehigh did last yea ... wait ... never mind.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 23, 2017 19:04:16 GMT -5
Last year, marvelous as their run was, HC did not win a game in the Round of 64--and they never will. Deal with it.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 23, 2017 19:21:44 GMT -5
Never is a long time. And the implication of your recent series of posts, that Holy Cross will always be inferior to Bucknell, Lehigh, and Boston University is just silly.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 23, 2017 19:31:04 GMT -5
Could the slow down in apps and recruiting woes across all sports be explained by the same unknown phenomenon?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2017 19:52:48 GMT -5
Could the slow down in apps and recruiting woes across all sports be explained by the same unknown phenomenon? UFO's maybe???
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