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Post by cmo on Mar 26, 2017 16:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2017 16:54:10 GMT -5
Great stuff
The Globe came through
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Post by sarasota on Mar 26, 2017 19:51:16 GMT -5
Never to return.
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Post by cfrivals on Mar 26, 2017 22:12:32 GMT -5
If we had joined the BE we would have made a run or two in 37 years. Now, will never see it. Will be lucky to see a final 32 in my lifetime
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Post by sarasota on Mar 27, 2017 4:43:43 GMT -5
We will never see a Final 32 because we will never beat a 1,2 or 3 seed.
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 27, 2017 6:22:30 GMT -5
The Cooz's tongue in cheek quote about his recruitment in 1946 and the near prospect of a new gym is somewhat inaccurate. The 25 years is a reference to the Hart center which was approved by the board in 1973. It opened in 1975.
However the purchase of the fieldhouse was under consideration in 1946; it opened in 1948; Fr K's book makes it clear that construction of permanent gym was considered a luxury at that time.
I wonder how many of our recent recruits have taken hardhat tours of the new construction.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 27, 2017 7:48:10 GMT -5
Since Cooz has mentioned this before, he was referring to BC, their AD and his promise of a gym, not HC
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 27, 2017 8:20:04 GMT -5
Since Cooz has mentioned this before, he was referring to BC, their AD and his promise of a gym, not HC suggests that the fieldhouse was a factor in his choosing HC? |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 27, 2017 9:28:16 GMT -5
Cooz has often said that HC having dorms, while BC not, was the deciding factor
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Post by Tom on Mar 27, 2017 11:18:00 GMT -5
If we had joined the BE we would have made a run or two in 37 years. Now, will never see it. Will be lucky to see a final 32 in my lifetime This assumes that HC would have backed off its admission standards for athletes. Otherwise, HC record might have more closely resembled Northwestern |
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Post by Tom on Mar 27, 2017 11:23:42 GMT -5
My dad used to tell the story of him and a buddy skipping classes that day and thumbing down to NYC for the game, By dumb luck they got picked up on McKeon road by someone heading into the city |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 27, 2017 11:26:26 GMT -5
My dad used to tell the story of him and a buddy skipping classes that day and thumbing down to NYC for the game, By dumb luck they got picked up on McKeon road by someone heading into the city What a great memory that must be ! HC had classes that day ?? |
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Post by timholycross on Mar 27, 2017 12:14:38 GMT -5
If we had joined the BE we would have made a run or two in 37 years. Now, will never see it. Will be lucky to see a final 32 in my lifetime This assumes that HC would have backed off its admission standards for athletes. Otherwise, HC record might have more closely resembled Northwestern 'zactly. HC would have ended up with better players (than they got since the late 70s), but would they have been good enough players? |
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 27, 2017 14:27:44 GMT -5
when the Cooz arrived in fall '46, enrollment was 1500; it increased to 1800 by '48; 20 yrs later it was 2400. When the BE came on the scene in '78 male enrollment was close to the '46 level.
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Post by Tom on Mar 27, 2017 15:22:44 GMT -5
My dad used to tell the story of him and a buddy skipping classes that day and thumbing down to NYC for the game, By dumb luck they got picked up on McKeon road by someone heading into the city What a great memory that must be ! HC had classes that day ?? The newspaper is dated on a Wednesday, so the game was likely Tuesday or Monday if it was a late finish. The tournament wasn't as big a deal then that the school would cancel classes. I'm not sure classes would be cancelled today. Unless you're going to the game, why not go to class? |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 27, 2017 15:49:42 GMT -5
did your dad indicate whether there were many HC students in the sold out Garden ?
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Post by Tom on Mar 28, 2017 7:59:44 GMT -5
did your dad indicate whether there were many HC students in the sold out Garden ? Never mentioned it |
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Post by rickii on Mar 28, 2017 10:17:23 GMT -5
Since Cooz has mentioned this before, he was referring to BC, their AD and his promise of a gym, not HC When was Roberts Center built ? |
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Post by rickii on Mar 28, 2017 10:38:44 GMT -5
This assumes that HC would have backed off its admission standards for athletes. Otherwise, HC record might have more closely resembled Northwestern 'zactly. HC would have ended up with better players (than they got since the late 70s), but would they have been good enough players? Here we go again 
So the likes of 1970's stars Perry, Vicens, Potter, O'Connor, Brown, Kissane, Suidit, Stacom, Doran, Gooch...even Beckenbach ....etcetera....would not have been good enough to compete in a then new BE conference. And were they and others sub-standard students ? In fact AIR, Perry and Vicens - two of our all-time greats - were EXCELLENT students !
Hogwash on guys like Blaney and AD Perry promoting lesser admissions standards.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 28, 2017 11:25:23 GMT -5
'zactly. HC would have ended up with better players (than they got since the late 70s), but would they have been good enough players? Here we go again
So the likes of 1970's stars Perry, Vicens, Potter, O'Connor, Brown, Kissane, Suidit, Stacom, Doran, Gooch...even Beckenbach ....etcetera....would not have been good enough to compete in a then new BE conference. And were they and others sub-standard students ? In fact AIR, Perry and Vicens - two of our all-time greats - were EXCELLENT students !
Hogwash on guys like Blaney and AD Perry promoting lesser admissions standards.
You are comparing apples to oranges. |
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Post by timholycross on Mar 28, 2017 11:28:23 GMT -5
Since Cooz has mentioned this before, he was referring to BC, their AD and his promise of a gym, not HC When was Roberts Center built ? Late 50s...BC built Alumni Stadium (actually moved it and made it bigger), Roberts Center and McHugh Forum (which was almost exactly where Conte is) more or less at the same time. |
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Post by Tom on Mar 28, 2017 11:31:13 GMT -5
'zactly. HC would have ended up with better players (than they got since the late 70s), but would they have been good enough players? Here we go again
So the likes of 1970's stars Perry, Vicens, Potter, O'Connor, Brown, Kissane, Suidit, Stacom, Doran, Gooch...even Beckenbach ....etcetera....would not have been good enough to compete in a then new BE conference. And were they and others sub-standard students ? In fact AIR, Perry and Vicens - two of our all-time greats - were EXCELLENT students !
Hogwash on guys like Blaney and AD Perry promoting lesser admissions standards.
Somewhere shortly after the time period you refer, everything changed. College sports became big business. The new ESPN was getting you on TV and schools on the national stage started chasing big money and did what they needed to do to get that money. All the players you mentioned were fine student athletes who competed on he national stage, but they competed against other student athletes (even if from lesser institutions  ). By the 80's the national stage programs were using athletes-quasi students. Back in the 70's HC used to beat Georgetown, however, back in the 70's players like Ewing or Iverson would not have been on the team |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 28, 2017 12:09:48 GMT -5
Yes, I think Georgetown had timed tests in the old days....
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Post by timholycross on Mar 28, 2017 15:10:51 GMT -5
Here we go again
So the likes of 1970's stars Perry, Vicens, Potter, O'Connor, Brown, Kissane, Suidit, Stacom, Doran, Gooch...even Beckenbach ....etcetera....would not have been good enough to compete in a then new BE conference. And were they and others sub-standard students ? In fact AIR, Perry and Vicens - two of our all-time greats - were EXCELLENT students !
Hogwash on guys like Blaney and AD Perry promoting lesser admissions standards.
Somewhere shortly after the time period you refer, everything changed. College sports became big business. The new ESPN was getting you on TV and schools on the national stage started chasing big money and did what they needed to do to get that money. All the players you mentioned were fine student athletes who competed on he national stage, but they competed against other student athletes (even if from lesser institutions ). By the 80's the national stage programs were using athletes-quasi students. Back in the 70's HC used to beat Georgetown, however, back in the 70's players like Ewing or Iverson would not have been on the team You said it ten times better than I attempted to say it. HC had decent records (in some cases, more than decent; don't remember many losses vs UConn or Seton Hall, for example) against the Big East core group....but the recruiting ramped up after the league started and HC would, IMHO, have been left in the dust. Thought (and still do) HC could have done ok in the A10; the school had enough going for it to overcome the admissions issue. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 28, 2017 17:53:52 GMT -5
I don't think there was ever a better pairing than the Big East and cable tv (ESPN); better than peanut butter and jelly, coffee and doughnuts, you name it. I want to step carefully and not draw the ire of anyone, but - as good as HC was (yes, remember the SI issue with RP Jr and 4 other guys), my recollection was that college basketball in the Northeast was very much a regional thing. Games with the eventual BE schools were being played in places like McDonough Arena, Walsh Gym, UConn Fieldhouse, Roberts Center, etc. That, of course, excludes other venues like Keaney Gym, Marvel Gym, Curry Hicks Cage, etc etc. I remember Bucky and Marv doing the ECAC game of the week, but I rarely remember a national broadcast involving 2 eastern schools. The national game always seemed to involve either UNC, Maryland, Indiana. Michigan, or Ohio State, and of course UCLA. Local legend Ronnie Lee (of the Boston Six fame) went out to Oregon, and he might as well have fallen off the face of the earth. If you wanted scores from west coast games, you had to wait 2 days to get them! But no, if we walked uphill to school, we got to walk downhill going home.  I know there were breakthrough schools in the northeast in the 70s: PC with Ernie D/Bad News Barnes; Penn's F4 team; Villanova. But from my fading memory I seem to recall them being looked at as big surprises. And like RW's teams, the 70's Blaney teams were famous for coming close to knocking off a top ranked power school (yeah, we probably knock off Michigan with Ronnie and John O'Connor). Those teams did beat ranked PC and Cincinnati. I just wonder if the west coast even knew ECAC hoops existed back then. Definitely a higher level of hoops than the PL, but before and after the BE was very, very different, imho. The time to join was back then, BEFORE the One and Dones, before everyone else had 10,000+ arenas, before needing a grad school to be able to take 5th year/1 year transfers, etc. |
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