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Post by HC16 on Aug 27, 2016 20:27:03 GMT -5
Video highlights from move in day.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 28, 2016 7:18:39 GMT -5
Thanks to all those who helped the "new" Crusaders to get off to a good start to a great year!
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Post by alum on Aug 29, 2016 7:01:33 GMT -5
53% female Does that increase the imbalance ? I certainly do not want to take an unqualified male over a qualified female, but I don't see that imbalance as desirable( unless I am a male student, of course) The CDS for the class which entered in 2015 reveals that the college is trying very hard to keep the M/F ratio under control. They accepted 42% of the men and 32% of the women. The yield among women was 32% and among men 27% generating a class which was 52.3% women. I find this amusing because I cannot get my youngest to consider HC. She dismisses it as a jock school in which she has no interest. I have tried to explain to her that nobody goes to the games, but it just is not working.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 29, 2016 7:13:02 GMT -5
If I am not being too nosy, what schools is she considering ?
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Post by alum on Aug 29, 2016 12:37:01 GMT -5
If I am not being too nosy, what schools is she considering ? Mount Holyoke (her sister went there. I am a big fan,) Bryn Mawr, Conn, Trinity, Sarah Lawrence. There will likely be a few more.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 29, 2016 13:04:00 GMT -5
If I am not being too nosy, what schools is she considering ? Mount Holyoke (her sister went there. I am a big fan,) Bryn Mawr, Conn, Trinity, Sarah Lawrence. There will likely be a few more. Certainly don't have to worry about jock schools with this group
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 10, 2016 8:05:44 GMT -5
A bit more info on the class of 2020.
* Average SAT within 0.5 percent of the value of the previous four years. Basically, a plateau. * Applications down about 600 from the average in 2012-14, but up by 1300 from last year. * Yield at 30 percent is down from the 31 percent realized in 2012=14. (2015 was an anomalous year, with the great failed experiment, so acceptance rate and yield is immaterial.)
IMO, little or no progress in increasing HC's competitiveness, and the failure to improve geographic diversity has been previously discussed. In essence, Ann is treading water.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 10, 2016 11:37:43 GMT -5
re geographic diversity; wasn't our football program ranked in somebody's top 10 for this? nearly 60% of the this year's roster are from outside the Northeast...
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 10, 2016 13:00:22 GMT -5
re geographic diversity; wasn't our football program ranked in somebody's top 10 for this? nearly 60% of the this year's roster are from outside the Northeast... A high percentage of those coming from certain sections of the country are recruited athletes. ________________________________________ The link to this map is very telling. It shows which states and cities HC admissions will be traveling to this fall. admissions.holycross.edu/portal/fall_travelThat map suggests Ann is doubling down on the Northeast.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 10, 2016 15:22:06 GMT -5
Wasn't there a map with football staff recruiting assignments?
Kansas City & St Louis Jesuit schools are well represented on the football roster; these same school are soccer powerhouse [my nephew is a high school soccer coach in St Louis] but there are none on our roster
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Post by breezy on Oct 10, 2016 16:34:55 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 10, 2016 16:50:30 GMT -5
Re: Phreek's map where our admissions folks go, it says:
"Every year, members of the Holy Cross Admissions staff travel around the country and across the world to meet with prospective students, families and counselors." Don't most people say "across the country and around the world?" That's just a quibble but of concern is no presence in some areas you would've figured were no-brainers: San Francisco, Cinci, Columbus, Indiana, all of Texas and Florida and Georgia, especially Atlanta. I certainly understand not heading out to Wyoming or Utah or Montana but how about heading out to sme of these very populated areas, especially where there is a Jesuit high school presence?
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Post by alum on Oct 10, 2016 21:51:43 GMT -5
So I looked at the Connecticut high schools that Admissions is visiting with some interest. Here is the list: Simsbury HS visit Glastonbury HS visit Edwin O. Smith High School Visit South Windsor High School Avon High School visit Tolland High School Visit Convent of the Sacred Heart (Greenwich) Notre Dame HS (CT) Greenwich Academy Greenwich High School Visit St. Bernard School (CT) Brunswick School Visit Hopkins School (CT) Loomis Chaffee College Night Greenwich High School College Fair Miss Porter's College Fair Laurelton Hall Suffield Academy visit Marianapolis Prep (CT) 100 Black Men of Stamford (BMOS) College Fair (CT)
This list tells me that the college is out looking for full pay students and trying to increase applications from prep schools (maybe that's the same thing.) I am nevertheless perplexed that most of the Catholic high schools are left out. For example, there is noEast Catholic, Northwest Catholic, Xavier, or Fairfield Prep. It is not hard to visit these schools. Add two days of one counselor's time and those four schools could be covered. I am in favor of expanding the base, but there is no reason to ignore traditional sources of students.
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Post by sarasota on Oct 10, 2016 22:21:13 GMT -5
FL has no visits on the map. There are Jesuit high schools in Tampa and Miami.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 11, 2016 8:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Oct 11, 2016 10:12:05 GMT -5
A bit more info on the class of 2020. * Average SAT within 0.5 percent of the value of the previous four years. Basically, a plateau. * Applications down about 600 from the average in 2012-14, but up by 1300 from last year. * Yield at 30 percent is down from the 31 percent realized in 2012=14. (2015 was an anomalous year, with the great failed experiment, so acceptance rate and yield is immaterial.) IMO, little or no progress in increasing HC's competitiveness, and the failure to improve geographic diversity has been previously discussed. In essence, Ann is treading water. Are you sure apps were up 1300 from last year or 300? Class of 2019 had 6,595 applications so 1300 increase would be a record for us. 2014 was our really down year so-to-speak. That said, I think our new branding is a tad too parochial, and our national outreach strategy is still a mystery to me -- as you've also noted before.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 11, 2016 10:22:45 GMT -5
A bit more info on the class of 2020. * Average SAT within 0.5 percent of the value of the previous four years. Basically, a plateau. * Applications down about 600 from the average in 2012-14, but up by 1300 from last year. * Yield at 30 percent is down from the 31 percent realized in 2012=14. (2015 was an anomalous year, with the great failed experiment, so acceptance rate and yield is immaterial.) IMO, little or no progress in increasing HC's competitiveness, and the failure to improve geographic diversity has been previously discussed. In essence, Ann is treading water. Are you sure apps were up 1300 from last year or 300? Class of 2019 had 6,595 applications so 1300 increase would be a record for us. 2014 was our really down year so-to-speak. That said, I think our new branding is a tad too parochial, and our national outreach strategy is still a mystery to me -- as you've also noted before. Your years are a year off. Applications (enrolling year): 2012 7353 2013 7228 2014 7115 2015 5302 2016 6595 The 6595 is for the class of 2020, entering fall 2016.
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Post by matunuck on Oct 11, 2016 10:45:44 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 11, 2016 13:24:25 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Oct 11, 2016 14:14:24 GMT -5
No worries. HC is abysmal in giving full, substantive admissions profile info. We need to rethink our admission outreach strategy.
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Post by matunuck on Nov 1, 2016 8:22:18 GMT -5
As usual, HC still hasn't updated their admissions stats for the class of 2020. Other PL schools did so many, many weeks ago and often with nice graphics and detailed info. Every year HC is late even with posting basic numbers let alone a nice publication filled with details. Put Pine in charge of it and things would change
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Post by matunuck on Dec 7, 2016 9:22:51 GMT -5
HC really needs to rethink its approach to growing our application numbers -- and no I don't believe our largely flat-line numbers are do to "outside forces," which seems to be the excuse of choice for some on other board topics.
Admissions
Class of 2020
Applicants 6,693
Accepted 2,574 38% (acceptance rate)
Enrolled 765 30% (yield)
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Post by HC1843 on Dec 7, 2016 11:26:53 GMT -5
This is Boston's fault.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 7, 2016 15:28:50 GMT -5
Matunuck revealed the latest CDS is on the web. :-)
Class of 2020 / 2019 / 2018 SAT % percentage submitting 38 / 44 / 46 ACT % percentage submitting 23 / 22 / 22 Verbal (25th -75th percentiles scores) 600-680 / 600-690 / 610-690 Math 620-690 / 620-690 / 620-690 ACT Composite 28-31 / 28-31 / 28-31 Top tenth of class 61% / 61% / 56% Out of State 57% / 57% / 63% Out of state all U/G 60% / 62% / 63%
Ann is falling back on Massachusetts, and, IMO, standardized tests scores are holding up because fewer are submitting. A big fail, certainly on increasing geographical diversity.
Institutional grants, scollies $39.0M / $35.8M / $39.6M Student loans all sources $10.0M / $10.5M / $10.7M Parental loans $9.7M / $7.2M / $7.8M (home equity, mortgage re-financing) I may have to look at the class of 2017 to try and make sense of what happened here. But something seems to be amiss. And I will suggest that it bears on HC's ability to finance a move to HE.
Athletic awards Need-based $3.9M / $3.5M / $5.7M Merit $7.3M / $6.2M / $3.1M
This expanded number of scollies (for more than just football) funded reflects, IMO, a re-allocation of certain expenses in ADNP's budget. The $2.5 million increase in athletically-related aid is pushing against the upper bound, again IMO, the sum of what ADNP has flexibility to re-allocate. Particularly given the future scollies for women's hockey.
My IMO on increased athletically-related can't be checked until a year or so from now, when the Title IX reports for 2016-17 are released.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 8, 2016 9:29:54 GMT -5
The last six years of data.
Class of 2020 / 2019 / 2018 / 2017 / 2016 / 2015 SAT % percentage submitting[ 38 / 44 / 46 / 48 / 51 / 52 ACT % percentage submitting 23 / 22 / 22 / 22 / 23 / 19 Verbal (25th -75th percentiles scores) 600-680 / 600-690 / 610-690 / 610-690 / 600-700 / 600-690 Math 620-690 / 620-690 / 620-690 / 610 - 700 / 620-680 / 610-690 ACT Composite 28-31 / 28-31 / 28-31 / 28-31 / 27-30 / 27-31 Top tenth of class 61% / 61% / 56% / 57% / 60% / 61% Top quarter of class 87% (class of 2020) / 95% (class of 2015) Out of State 57% / 57% / 63% / 63% / 68% / 61% Out of state all U/G 60% / 62% / 63% / 63% / 63% / 63%
Institutional grants, scollies, need-based $39.0M / $35.8M / $39.6M / $33.8M / $32.9M / $30.4M Student loans all sources $10.0M / $10.5M / $10.7M / $10.4M / $11.0M / $10.3M Parental loans $9.7M / $7.2M / $7.8M / $7.3M / $8.4M / $9.3M
Athletic awards Need-based $3.9M / $3.5M / $5.7M / $5.4M / $5.6M / $5.0M Merit $7.3M / $6.2M / $3.1M / $3.0M / $3.0M / $2.7M
HC appears to be regressing. I'll do a comparison thread when I get 2016-17 (class of 2020) data from other schools, but at the moment I only have that for Lafayette and Villanova.
In short, HC is becoming more parochial, the academic quality of incoming freshmen seems to be slipping. HC looks to be struggling with the cost of need-blind admissions, and I am skeptical that HC is really need-blind these days. IMO, the demand for financial aid is such that the monies are not there for HE and DCU, unless HC abandons need-blind.
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