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Post by matunuck on Apr 25, 2017 8:14:59 GMT -5
In between identifying campus "microagressions" and all the other nonsense in vogue on Mt. Saint James, do hope the HC curriculum is keeping up with economic reality. www.wsj.com/articles/liberal-arts-colleges-in-fight-for-survival-focus-on-job-skills-1493051024Liberal Arts Colleges, in Fight for Survival, Focus on Job Skills
Some schools require humanities students to take math and statistics courses
April 24, 2017 12:23 p.m. ET By Douglas Belkin Mount Holyoke College, a 180-year-old, women’s liberal arts college in South Hadley, Mass., recently built both computer-science and data-science programs. Google and Mass Mutual Insurance now recruit from the school. “I don’t know who can afford not to have a job after graduation,” said Lynn Pasquerella, a former president of the college who now leads the Association of American Colleges and Universities. A set of technical skills can double the number of jobs for which a typical liberal arts major is qualified, said Matthew Sigelman, chief executive of Burning Glass, a Bostonbased labor market analytics firm. Those skills can also add about to $6,000 to average salaries. “Go study feminist anthropology but make sure you’re picking up some skills on the periphery so that you can get a job when you graduate,” said Mr. Sigelman. Hanover College—a 190-year old liberal arts college in Hanover, Ind., with an enrollment of about 1,100—created a business scholars program in 2005 to teach classes such as accounting and management. The first year, the program had 19 students; today it has over 300. “Parents want their children to graduate knowing something practical,” said Jerry Johnson, executive director of the business scholars program. Emory University in Atlanta has created a degree that marries traditionally qualitative disciplines such as anthropology, English and history with math and statistics. Economist Cliff Carrubba, who created the program in 2014, said his goal isn’t just to better equip students to master large data sets—it is to save the liberal arts. “There has been an explosion in data and there’s a huge demand for people who know how to harness it,” he said. “Most students coming out of the liberal arts have at best a consumer’s knowledge of basic statistics, but they’re rarely trained to rigorously and effectively answer questions using data.” If they can master those skills, they are significantly more valuable in several industries that are being transformed by the data measuring human behavior generated by email, web tracking and cellphones. Now, schools like Dartmouth and Denison have started similar data programs that join data science with traditional liberal arts curricula. Dr. Carrubba’s program requires students take seven classes in statistics, computer science and math alongside their other discipline. Data-management skills qualifies those students for roughly 15% more jobs after college, said Mr. Sigelman. Those positions pay a $13,000 wage premium. “Ten years ago, marketing was pretty pictures,” says Jennifer Harmel, a vice president at Annuitas, an Atlanta company that builds long-term marketing campaigns and has interviewed some of Dr. Carrubba’s students for internships. “Today, it’s all about numbers and we have a hard time finding people who can understand both the numbers and the softer side of things.” Isabel Goddard, a junior majoring in cultural anthropology, entered Emory planning to avoid math. But she quickly came to see the limits of qualitative research. When she heard about the Dr. Carrubba’s program, she dipped a toe into a statistics class and struggled, but she has stuck with it. “If you can’t use the data, you’re at huge disadvantage,” she said. “It’s a whole different level of research.”
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Post by hcgrad94 on Apr 25, 2017 9:56:27 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Apr 25, 2017 10:20:51 GMT -5
There's room for both business and liberal arts in a 3000 student college.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 25, 2017 10:21:32 GMT -5
I remember when I first realized that the critical thinking I learned at Holy Cross taught us HOW to think. As to WHAT to think, things change so fast that has limited application if one does not understand the process more than the content. In that regard, I agree that some business courses - the "theory" of business - can be worthwhile. But, I am cautioned by my own experience where I learned education theory in isolation and never had an opportunity to apply that knowledge. What I got later was "on the job" training in an actual classroom. Thus the importance now being given to internships.
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Post by matunuck on Apr 25, 2017 10:21:39 GMT -5
Walter Russell Mead weighs in in the American Interest --
EDUCATION TRANSFORMATION The Vanishing Liberal Arts Degree WALTER RUSSELL MEAD
In an article in the Wall Street Journal outlining how liberal arts colleges, in the face of skyrocketing tuitions, are retooling themselves to offer more pragmatic degrees, a statistic stands out:
The reality is that only about one to two percent of Americans got a true liberal arts education in 1900; given how bogus many “liberal arts” degrees actually are, it’s likely that we are back to the same percentage, or, depending on whether you think a basic reading knowledge of Latin is part of a liberal arts education, even lower.
What is killing liberal education in America? First and foremost, it’s a culture that has never really appreciated liberal education. In part that’s a good thing; sending your kids to fancy schools where they learn to write verses in dead languages is a form of conspicuous consumption. America, never having had the kind of elite culture that centuries of aristocratic domination can impress on a nation, has always looked more to pragmatic subjects. American liberal culture probably reached its peak in the first half of the twentieth century when the plutocrats of the Industrial Age were sending their kids to the St. Grottlesex schools, where curricula were modeled on 19th century British standards. Dean Acheson could still sneer at another prep school grad in the 1950s because, when he read his Latin authors, he used a “trot”—a literal English translation that allowed lazy schoolboys to prepare their homework without actually learning all that Latin.
In reality, learning the ancient languages is actually a very good way to train young minds: they learn how complex edifices rise from small foundations and, as they read classical authors like Caesar, Cicero, Virgil and Livy they take in a substantial share of the cultural background that enables them both to interact with similarly educated people around the Atlantic (and South American) world—and that equips them to deal with civilizations and cultures very different from their own.
Beyond that, the general knowledge of history, literature and the arts that the tiny fraction of American students lucky enough to enroll in colleges that really teach them—and smart enough to identify what is usually a handful of professors who teach them well—is an extraordinary method of training people who will be called on to fill responsible posts in their country and communities.
But few employers or parents really understand this, and in any case these days, too many colleges have given up on liberal education—too many dead white males involved in creating the liberal tradition, too much God and not nearly enough fondness for abortion, far too much patriotism and some deeply offensive reflections on the need for the classical virtues to prevent a democratic society from following the natural path of degeneracy into mob rule and, in the end, despotism. Since most of the people who wrote the classic texts that the liberal humanities have traditionally taught hold views that would prevent them from speaking on the enlightened campuses of our noble times, it is only natural that a growing number of campuses convert their humanities curricula into workshops for social justice warriors.
Given this mess, students naturally respond by turning away from disciplines that, to many, seem to have no economic value and no serious intellectual content beyond the commonplace cliches of chic hackademic discourse.
From this perspective, the decision to turn toward “practical subjects” makes a lot of sense. If you aren’t going to get a real education no matter what you do in college, you might as well learn something that will get you paid later.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 25, 2017 14:36:23 GMT -5
HC needs to adjust a little its myopic obsession on "men and women for others" and "social justice." That would require the Jesuits in Champi to have the guts to show some independence away from the Jesuit au currant world wide crypto Socialist mantra, which includes, of course, its cheerleader in the Vatican. Then maybe HC will have the intellectual and moral fortitude to really address its Mission. Where they to do so, they might be surprised at the outpouring of donations from the hundreds of wealthy alums who do NOT donate now. I'm not optimistic.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 25, 2017 15:34:45 GMT -5
Okay, you are saying that by abandoning the mission that has been at the core of the college for generations, HC will receive more support from the alumni who were educated for that mission? That seems to defy logic, don't you think? Do you really think there are hundreds of wealthy alums who are opposed to educating men and women for others?
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Post by sarasota on Apr 25, 2017 17:59:53 GMT -5
KY- I said "adjust" and you attribute "abandon" to me. If I didn't know you better, I might think you were purposely setting up a straw man.
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Post by matunuck on Apr 28, 2017 8:19:31 GMT -5
I'm all for "educating men and women for others" if the education is balanced and exposes students to varying viewpoints which some may not agree with. I don't think that's largely the case at HC anymore. HC should look to the University of Chicago for guidance but that would take strong leadership to stand up the intolerant crowd.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 28, 2017 8:34:25 GMT -5
Mat, the Holy Cross student body and faculty are a lot more diverse than when I attended in the late 60's. As to different viewpoints, in my time, the Vietnam War drew polar opposite positions of anti-war vs. those deeply believing we had to make a stand against communism (I don't think anyone would be "pro-war').
I am neither a Holy Cross faculty member or student but get on campus fairly frequently, not just for athletic events, and have had some interactions with students, faculty, coaches and administrators. Pretty sure that none of those groups has been formed by any cookie cutter. If anything, where the 60's seemed to be pretty simply "for" and "against," the current mood on campus is nuanced positions and lots of gray. A perfect example is Fr. Boroughs' comments about the Crusader mascot which many (most?) would think is an easy yes or no proposition. I wish I could adequately capture his thoughts but the whole concept of a Crusader representing Holy Cross is more than bound by tradition or a position on the moral good vs. evil of the Crusades. Reassuring for us older alums is that whatever decision that might be made will not be decided by just the students or the students/faculty. All constituencies will be heard.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 28, 2017 11:59:58 GMT -5
In the early 60's there was virtually no diversity. All male, all Catholic, almost all white, almost all middle class. I would guess most of us were from Catholic all boys high schools. The Vietnam phenomenon had not yet happened. Our big event was the Cuban missile crisis. I recall all of us watching JFK's live speech from the WH on the TV in our dorm's lobby (one of the only TVs in the bldg). We were all psyched to march down Southbridge St to the recruiting office. No automobiles, no girls, no phones and no carpeting (!). Mandatory daily Mass and no studying after lights out. Thems were the days!
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Apr 28, 2017 12:14:26 GMT -5
I'm all for "educating men and women for others" if the education is balanced and exposes students to varying viewpoints which some may not agree with. I don't think that's largely the case at HC anymore. HC should look to the University of Chicago for guidance but that would take strong leadership to stand up the intolerant crowd. I actually think this is very far off. I'm not sure of another college that exposes students to say, abortion, from a variety of viewpoints. At a lot of Catholic colleges, there's clearly a pro-life filter an all discussions, and at public colleges there is clearly a pro-choice agenda. Things like Montserrat are specifically designed to expose students to different viewpoints.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 28, 2017 13:37:57 GMT -5
(not sarcasm) When was the last time a prominent Atheist was invited to McFarland to give a major address and participate in accompanying panels, etc? For example, if the late lamented Christopher Hitchens had been invited to McFarland it would have had a salutary impact on my perception of HC today. Daniel Dennett, a world class figure, is just down the road at Tufts.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 28, 2017 16:14:18 GMT -5
When was the last time that USMA or USNA invited a pacifist, someone committed to the abolition of US military forces, to campus?
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Post by ncaam on Apr 28, 2017 18:42:14 GMT -5
When did St Benedict's have a pacifist / atheist as their commencement speaker?
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Post by sarasota on Apr 28, 2017 20:13:36 GMT -5
I thought we were talking about HC. It is not one of the functions of the Military to investigate philosophical matters. Nor is it appropriate IMHO for secondary schools. It is in colleges and universities, i.e., those schools that take the pursuit of Truth seriously where such pursuit is not only appropriate but required.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 28, 2017 20:16:56 GMT -5
It is the function of Holy Cross to promote the Catholic Church, not to promote the study of atheism.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 29, 2017 0:13:52 GMT -5
It is the function of Holy Cross to promote the Catholic Church, not to promote the study of atheism. BINGO......seminary
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Post by ncaam on Apr 29, 2017 7:09:25 GMT -5
St Benedict'S Seminary?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 29, 2017 7:33:05 GMT -5
It is the function of Holy Cross to promote the Catholic Church, not to promote the study of atheism. BINGO......seminary Come on, even you should know that there is a difference between training men for the priesthood (the function of a seminary) and promoting a religious faith to lay persons. (a function of a Catholic college) . I know you can do better--the repeated seminary allegations are just so silly.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Apr 29, 2017 7:57:07 GMT -5
(not sarcasm) When was the last time a prominent Atheist was invited to McFarland to give a major address and participate in accompanying panels, etc? For example, if the late lamented Christopher Hitchens had been invited to McFarland it would have had a salutary impact on my perception of HC today. Daniel Dennett, a world class figure, is just down the road at Tufts. Has he spoken at Benedicts lately?
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Post by sarasota on Apr 29, 2017 9:47:06 GMT -5
94- The functions of colleges and high schools are different. So your analogy fails. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
75- You are completely oblivious to the difference between literal and figurative. Are you sure you're a college graduate?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 29, 2017 10:06:08 GMT -5
'sota-- you are just too funny. Thanks for adding your unique brand of humor to this board
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Post by hcgrad94 on Apr 29, 2017 11:11:09 GMT -5
94- The functions of colleges and high schools are different. So your analogy fails. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? 75- You are completely oblivious to the difference between literal and figurative. Are you sure you're a college graduate? Gotcha. So only Catholic colleges are Papist, top down seminaries. Thanks for the clarification on with my weekend.
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Post by sarasota on Apr 29, 2017 11:28:15 GMT -5
HC: seminary. Harvard: not a seminary (despite the fact that it was exactly a seminary at its founding 400 yrs ago). Yale: not a seminary. UMass: not a seminary. Haverford: not a seminary. Wellesley: not a seminary. Bucknell: not a seminary. Colgate: not a seminary........ETC.
Here is Notre Dame Univ: "The Catholic faith is fundamental at Notre Dame. We therefore believe a variety of beliefs and opinions are indispensable to provoking debate, ensuring a diversity of perspectives, promoting scholarship, and building community; we believe in the pursuit and sharing of truth for its own sake; we believe in sustaining a dialogue between faith and reason across disciplines and in the multitude of discussions, debates, and inquiries that take place at the University; we believe in academic freedom that makes open discussion and inquiry possible; we believe in collaborative, interdisciplinary research into fields as diverse as global health, alternative energy, network science, biometrics, spintronics, insect genomics, and cancer; we believe that the nature of the education offered to students foster in them those disciplined habits of mind, body, and spirit that characterize educated, skilled, and free human beings; and, we believe in service to the Catholic church in a manner appropriate for a university, and in creating a sense of human solidarity and concern for the common good that bears fruit as learning becomes service to justice. That’s what we believe in, because we’re a Catholic university."
As you can see, ND, as regards the Faith-Reason spectrum, is more willing than HC to give Reason its due. I like that.
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