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Post by hchoops on Jun 13, 2017 19:01:54 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Jun 13, 2017 20:25:56 GMT -5
As I recall the expansion conversation 5+ years ago, Boston U. was added so that HC had a nearby institution that HC could pair with, and Loyola was added primarily to bring membership to even number, and secondarily, to pair with AU. And in the course of affiliating, BostonU had to abides by same certain academic limits, and Loyola's hoops coach quit because he did not want to recruit under the AI. IMHO BU has been a great basketball addition. And since its academic reputation is probably stronger than HC's at this point, it contributes positively to PL's academic reputation.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 13, 2017 21:30:09 GMT -5
As I recall the expansion conversation 5+ years ago, Boston U. was added so that HC had a nearby institution that HC could pair with, and Loyola was added primarily to bring membership to even number, and secondarily, to pair with AU. And in the course of affiliating, BostonU had to abides by same certain academic limits, and Loyola's hoops coach quit because he did not want to recruit under the AI. IMHO BU has been a great basketball addition. And since its academic reputation is probably stronger than HC's at this point, it contributes positively to PL's academic reputation. Yes, a great basketball addition. But it is so different from the other nine PL schools - and spends so much more on sports - that it is not a good fit at all.
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Post by somedaycamesuddenly on Jun 14, 2017 1:47:34 GMT -5
IMHO BU has been a great basketball addition. And since its academic reputation is probably stronger than HC's at this point, it contributes positively to PL's academic reputation. Yes, a great basketball addition. But it is so different from the other nine PL schools - and spends so much more on sports - that it is not a good fit at all. I never thought I would see BU characterized as a big spender on sports... I guess there is a first time for everything.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 14, 2017 5:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 14, 2017 6:40:00 GMT -5
Boston U. spends a lot of money on sports (rather, loses a lot of money on sports) because its M/F ratio is skewed. Boston University is 39 percent male, their athletics financial aid distribution is 38% male. The female sports get the lion's share of the money.
HC spent slightly more than Boston U on M.W basketball, and HC's total spending on sports was only $3 million less than Boston U. To be sure, HC has football (and $5.1 million in expenses), but BostonU spent $5.8 million more than HC did on ice hockey and rowing.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 14, 2017 8:24:24 GMT -5
Boston U. spends a lot of money on sports (rather, loses a lot of money on sports) because its M/F ratio is skewed. Boston University is 39 percent male, their athletics financial aid distribution is 38% male. The female sports get the lion's share of the money. HC spent slightly more than Boston U on M.W basketball, and HC's total spending on sports was only $3 million less than Boston U. To be sure, HC has football (and $5.1 million in expenses), but BostonU spent $5.8 million more than HC did on ice hockey and rowing. I suspected they (BU) had about the same overall athletic outlay. Didn't know their m/f ratio was even more skewed than ours. Off the topic but that ratio - or at least the admissions practices that lead to that ratio - might help some of their admission stats. I 've wondered if we practiced a gender-blind admissions policy if our academic stats (test score/rankings/) would greatly improve ... and if we'd go to 70% female in an enrolled class!
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Post by rickii on Jun 14, 2017 8:31:10 GMT -5
Yes, a great basketball addition. But it is so different from the other nine PL schools - and spends so much more on sports - that it is not a good fit at all. I never thought I would see BU characterized as a big spender on sports... I guess there is a first time for everything. I never thought I would see BU characterized as a great basketball addition.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 14, 2017 8:39:02 GMT -5
Boston U. spends a lot of money on sports (rather, loses a lot of money on sports) because its M/F ratio is skewed. Boston University is 39 percent male, their athletics financial aid distribution is 38% male. The female sports get the lion's share of the money. HC spent slightly more than Boston U on M.W basketball, and HC's total spending on sports was only $3 million less than Boston U. To be sure, HC has football (and $5.1 million in expenses), but BostonU spent $5.8 million more than HC did on ice hockey and rowing. Boston U outspends most PL teams on almost all team sports: men's soccer, women's soccer, men's lax, women's lax, field hockey, softball, rowing, women's swimming, men's track, and women's track. In the majority of cases, the difference is so large that it is hard for many PL schools to compete with them. I will post the expenditures for each school in the sports listed above. Some might be surprised at how much more Boston U spends on those sports than most PL schools. They have 2-3 times as many scholarships in those sports than other PL schools.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 14, 2017 8:40:02 GMT -5
I never thought I would see BU characterized as a big spender on sports... I guess there is a first time for everything. I never thought I would see BU characterized as a great basketball addition. They have been a major spender for many years on many sports. When it comes to scholarships on the sports they sponsor, they are miles ahead of most other PL schools.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 14, 2017 8:45:54 GMT -5
Where have you gone Harry Agganis?
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 14, 2017 8:52:28 GMT -5
... and lingering anti-catholic bias still present ? what do you think ? I believe it is still there. It is now more subtle, but it exists.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 14, 2017 10:19:21 GMT -5
Athletically-related financial aid 2015-2016, $ in millions M/W
American 2.1 / 3.0 Loyola 2.6 / 3.1 Georgetown 4.1 / 4.7 Richmond 5.5 / 4.3 HC 6.0 / 3.8 Lehigh 5.9 / 5.3 Colgate 6.4 / 5.1 Fordham 7.3 / 6.0 U of Miami 8.5 / 6.6 BostonU 6.0 / 9.8 BC 9.8 / 8.9 Stanford 12.3 / 11.0
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 14, 2017 10:58:16 GMT -5
Yet another thread gone completely off topic...
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Post by sarasota on Jun 14, 2017 11:29:50 GMT -5
ACTP- Isn't that what happens in normal discourse? If it goes off topic it's because that's where posters' interests take it.
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Post by somedaycamesuddenly on Jun 14, 2017 12:35:31 GMT -5
Athletically-related financial aid 2015-2016, $ in millions M/W American 2.1 / 3.0 Loyola 2.6 / 3.1 Georgetown 4.1 / 4.7 Richmond 5.5 / 4.3 HC 6.0 / 3.8 Lehigh 5.9 / 5.3 Colgate 6.4 / 5.1 Fordham 7.3 / 6.0 U of Miami 8.5 / 6.6 BostonU 6.0 / 9.8 BC 9.8 / 8.9 Stanford 12.3 / 11.0 Geez that really is a terrible investment, and yet, we have gotten an awful return on it. I would hope we would be competing for national titles or close to it in women's sports with that sort of budget. I'm sure the title IX office is the biggest fan of the way the program is run. Ideally, our model would more closer resemble Denver's than it currently does.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 14, 2017 17:50:06 GMT -5
For those who care about the intention of this thread, can we re-set on what we (think) know:
HOME
Harvard Iona UNH
AWAY
UMass URI FDU Siena
NEUTRAL
Manhattan LaSalle/Towson
If we play a 29 game schedule, that would leave 2 games remaining. We haven't confirmed the usual Sacred Heart game yet; no sure if the Maine or Q series were continuing.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 14, 2017 19:07:46 GMT -5
Thank you Dave.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 14, 2017 20:43:47 GMT -5
For those who care about the intention of this thread, can we re-set on what we (think) know: HOME Harvard Iona UNH AWAY UMass URI FDU Siena NEUTRAL Manhattan LaSalle/Towson If we play a 29 game schedule, that would leave 2 games remaining. We haven't confirmed the usual Sacred Heart game yet; no sure if the Maine or Q series were continuing. Very nice schedule so far. Fill it out with 2 high-majors and it becomes a great schedule.
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Post by ncaam on Jun 15, 2017 5:55:44 GMT -5
Not so fast. A couple months ago I believe I reported a game with Q. Ink them in. Also definitely no $$$ game on this schedule.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 15, 2017 6:07:43 GMT -5
Not so fast. A couple months ago I believe I reported a game with Q. Ink them in. Also definitely no $$$ game on this schedule. If by a couple of months ago, you mean this post from 3 weeks ago on page 1 of this thread harvard yale uri Q unh umaine ? coach was smart enuf to dump $$$ games I think you can see why some would not view this as a report of a scheduled game but speculating/questioning if one is scheduled.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 15, 2017 6:22:32 GMT -5
ESPN has listed the best coaching job in each state Harvard was selected in Massachusetts
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Post by ncaam on Jun 15, 2017 6:48:28 GMT -5
Not so fast. A couple months ago I believe I reported a game with Q. Ink them in. Also definitely no $$$ game on this schedule. If by a couple of months ago, you mean this post from 3 weeks ago on page 1 of this thread harvard yale uri Q unh umaine ? coach was smart enuf to dump $$$ games I think you can see why some would not view this as a report of a scheduled game but speculating/questioning if one is scheduled. I knew about the Q game much earlier. Thought I posted then. Maybe I just told my homies about it. Q will be on the road likely. An attractive home schedule.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 15, 2017 9:07:26 GMT -5
An "attractive home schedule"?
12 games. 3 OOC, of which one, Harvard, is likely to be against a top 100 team.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 15, 2017 9:14:40 GMT -5
Is that the same top 100 Harvard against whom HC now has won three straight games over the last three years?
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