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Post by hchoops on Jun 14, 2017 15:48:30 GMT -5
not mentioned under the 50th reunion, but for the non-golfers on Thursday, there was a visit to the Joyce center. a very impressive sight-- closer to the Vermont mountains with the addition of no noisy boats on the reservoir. the building is beautiful, especially the chapel with the massive window looking out on the spectacular view. the fact that so many students have been there makes it well worth the cost. chaplain Mary Beth Kerns-Barrett took us through a brief Ignatian exercise called Examen, a wonderful way to begin the weekend.
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Post by sarasota on Jun 14, 2017 22:57:14 GMT -5
Glad to hear the Joyce Spa is doing so well.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 16, 2017 8:41:39 GMT -5
Sorry, there is no spa (by "Joyce" or by any other name) anywhere on the 52 acres.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 16, 2017 9:12:18 GMT -5
Sorry, there is no spa (by "Joyce" or by any other name) anywhere on the 52 acres. It's likely that Sarasota is using a clever metaphor---knowing that a regular spa helps restore/revitalize one's body, he is suggesting that this contemplative/religious "spa" helps restore and revitalize one's soul.......
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 16, 2017 9:16:15 GMT -5
Nice job, KY. A little positive spin can't hurt.
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Post by sarasota on Jun 16, 2017 9:24:55 GMT -5
I see a disconnect between the accoutrements of a high end spa and the mission of Christian meditation/asceticism. You don't. St Francis would not have approved.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 16, 2017 11:52:45 GMT -5
I see a disconnect between the accoutrements of a high end spa and the mission of Christian meditation/asceticism. You don't. St Francis would not have approved. I guess that explains why there is no spa there. Have you visited the Center on which you hold such strong opinions? I tend to doubt it. You can call it a spa if you wish, but that certainly does not make it one. Of course, if something fits one's agenda, facts may not matter. PS: You seem to have no idea what I "see" there but you seem quite able to comment on it. Interesting.
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Post by sarasota on Jun 16, 2017 14:17:45 GMT -5
rgs- Please look up the difference between "literal" and "figurative." I would have thought almost all highly educated persons handle that distinction quite easily.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 16, 2017 14:28:25 GMT -5
rgs- Please look up the difference between "literal" and "figurative." I would have thought almost all highly educated persons handle that distinction quite easily. Sota--trying to help you out here: do you not know that rgs is "pulling your leg" (figuratively, not literally) in telling you that "there is no spa" at the Joyce Center?
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Post by sarasota on Jun 16, 2017 14:39:08 GMT -5
No, I didn't know. That's why I have tried to discourage the overuse of sarcasm here.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 16, 2017 16:29:31 GMT -5
rgs- Please look up the difference between "literal" and "figurative." I would have thought almost all highly educated persons handle that distinction quite easily. Indeed. It is just that when you speak it can be difficult to tell what you mean. Your passion sometimes makes any distinctions unclear. Was it you who at one time referred to HC as a seminary - even though it does not create any clergy (priests, ministers or rabbis)? You may want to look up the meaning of seminary.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 16, 2017 16:47:03 GMT -5
And as an avowed atheist, you now feel qualified to know what St. Francis would and would not have approved of? Or were you just being sarcastic?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 16, 2017 19:00:37 GMT -5
A man has got to know when to cut his losses.......
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Post by sarasota on Jun 17, 2017 9:36:45 GMT -5
sader1970- As a young person I was deeply deeply steeped in Catholicism, as I was taught by Sisters of Charity of St Elizabeth, Benedictine Monks, Irish Christian Brothers and Jesuits. I worked afternoons as a receptionist at my parish church, The Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart. My parents were actively involved in the parish. Many of my buddies were priests and seminarians from Immaculate Conception Seminary. I was one of three elite altar boys who would serve in the Cathedral at major celebrations, meeting thereby a number of Roman prelates. Everyone in the parish figured we three would be the next generation of Priests in the parish. I believed it all. I was all in. Then I acquired a wife and a baby while studying at Fordham. That was my first taste of The Real World. As good Catholics, my wife and I were virgins on our wedding night. The realities of The Real World and my Philosophy studies allowed me to question everything I had lived by in the Catholic Church. It wasn't emotionally/intellectually easy to be liberated from all the garbage the Church had stuffed me with. For the first time I realized how anti-intellectual, anti-woman, self-alienating the Church is. I committed instead to Rationalism, Free Thinking, Objectivism. (One of the worst things about American Catholicism is that it was, for generations, the child of Catholicism in Ireland. Almost all of the prelates in America were of Irish extraction. If you know anything about the cruelty of the Irish Church, you know what I'm talking about.)
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 17, 2017 10:16:34 GMT -5
All well and good but none of that qualifies you, and rather is very presumptuous of you, to make statements that St. Francis would not approve of the Joyce Center. FWIW, I got my high school education from Franciscans rather than Christian Brothers and don't feel qualified to say Francis wouldn't approve. However, it is evident that you have a lot more confidence in your ability to judge these things than I. To my way of thinking, The JCC fits hand-in-glove with the avowed mission of the College of the Holy Cross and wish it was in existence when I went there and with hopes that someday, as an alum, I will have an opportunity to take advantage of the facilities. Do yourself a favor, find someone of Irish extraction and take him/her out for a Guiness next St. Patrick's Day. It'll make you feel better.
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Post by sarasota on Jun 17, 2017 11:19:25 GMT -5
sader1970- Thanks but no thanks. I've had my fill of alcoholic Irishmen. I was married to a first-generation Irish woman from a large Irish family. I met all the parents, siblings, cousins, aunt & uncles. The prevalence of alcoholism among three generations of the O'Sullivan family stupefied me. As a matter of fact, I recall that I was at HC when I first encountered The Curse, or more accurately, when I first recognized what alcoholism is.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 17, 2017 14:32:26 GMT -5
The anti-Irish rants are offensive, but that may well have been your intention. It's really sad that you carry such prejudices
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Post by sarasota on Jun 17, 2017 14:54:42 GMT -5
"Just the facts, Ma'am" Not a "prejudice," not a caricature.
From AlcoholActionIreland:
"Alcohol consumption in Ireland almost trebled between 1960 and 2001, rising from 4.9 litres of pure alcohol per person aged 15 and over to 14.3 litres. It decreased the years that followed as an increase in excise duty, followed by the recession, impacted on alcohol’s affordability.
However, alcohol consumption has nonetheless remained at very high levels (11.46 litres in 2016). Drinking until drunk is also a particular concern, as binge drinking, which is a major driver of alcohol harm, is commonplace in Ireland, with the World Health Organisation finding that Ireland has the second highest rate of binge drinking in the world.
Findings from research on alcohol consumption in Ireland show that, among those who drink, the majority are doing so in a harmful manner, with younger drinkers most likely to do so.
Based on the figures in the Health Research Board’s National Alcohol Diary Survey, more than 150,000 Irish people are dependent drinkers, more than a 1.35 million are harmful drinkers, and 30% of people interviewed say that they experienced some form of harm as a result of their own drinking. The report also reveals that 75% of alcohol consumed in Ireland is done so as part of binge drinking and we underestimate what we drink by about 60%."
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 17, 2017 15:33:32 GMT -5
Good thing you didn't marry a girl from Moldova, then, or your marriage would probably have been even shorter. interventionstrategies.com/alcohol-abuse-statistics-country/Ireland did not make the top 10 of countries with the highest rate of alcoholism. Ireland does rank #7 in consumption of pure alcohol just ahead of France. However, consumption of alcohol is different than abuse of alcohol. No question there are problems in Ireland with alcohol abuse but in our own country, we have MADD, AA, etc. However, your last few posts certainly gives the rest of us some insights as to why you think the way you do. All the best!
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Post by sarasota on Jun 17, 2017 17:55:50 GMT -5
sader1970- Thank you for openness.
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 21, 2017 8:18:43 GMT -5
Good thing you didn't marry a girl from Moldova, then, or your marriage would probably have been even shorter. interventionstrategies.com/alcohol-abuse-statistics-country/Ireland did not make the top 10 of countries with the highest rate of alcoholism. Ireland does rank #7 in consumption of pure alcohol just ahead of France. However, consumption of alcohol is different than abuse of alcohol. No question there are problems in Ireland with alcohol abuse but in our own country, we have MADD, AA, etc. However, your last few posts certainly gives the rest of us some insights as to why you think the way you do. All the best! sader 1970 beat me to it Ireland is 7th! The drunken Irishman in the paddy (today this would be called a racial slur) wagon was somewhat, clearly not entirely, an example of the anti-Irish, anti-Catholicism that was more accepted form 1860-1960 than ANY anti-anything is now. Its warts aside, the Catholic Church and its numerous agencies will today, and tomorrow and next week do more good for more people in this world than any other organization. Start with your local food bank; those are part of Catholic Charities. Then look at Africa where 1/3 of all the health care on the continent is provided by the Catholic Church.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2017 8:38:24 GMT -5
Just a quick reminder that Irish men (in Ireland) have more diagnosed depression that any other group in Europe. Much of the alcohol consumption there may well be, according to some who study the data on this, an attempt at "self-medication." (Many of the problem drinking stats mentioned above make the Irish sound like a group of American college undergrads.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 6, 2017 10:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jul 6, 2017 10:35:14 GMT -5
Ky thanks for posting the video does do it justice
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Post by sarasota on Jul 6, 2017 10:37:21 GMT -5
Opulence. Yeah that's the ticket!
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