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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2017 7:02:34 GMT -5
There has been a major change in the coaching ranks in NJ. Bergen Catholic now has a staff with multiple champion coaches. Head coach Campanille has, as assistants, former BC had coach Fred Stengel (4 state titles) and long time Don Bosco head coach Greg Toal (7 state titles). This all-star coaching staff will be interesting to watch. There are already plans for a national t.v. Broadcast of the BC/DB game on October 27.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2017 7:10:35 GMT -5
I presume this is football
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2017 8:15:11 GMT -5
It is. Sorry for the omission. The "Big North" with BC, DB, DePaul , Paramus Catholic, and St. Joseph (Montvale) is considered by many to be one of the best high school football league in the U.S. And, St. Peter's and Seton Hall Prep add to that group in North Jersey
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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2017 9:13:56 GMT -5
Much cutthroat recruitment of 8th graders ?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2017 9:20:51 GMT -5
Some, recruitment of 8th graders, I am sure. "Cutthroat"...probably not.
Recruitment of students from other schools has been done by public high schools luring kids from the parochial for decades (Pascack Hills and Bergenfield did it when I was AD at Bergen Catholic). Now, it is suddenly seen as a problem only with "non-public" schools poaching kids from public school and each other. If a pubic school gets caught violating recruiting rules, they are said to be acting "like the Catholic schools."
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2017 9:23:32 GMT -5
PS: The Catholic schools are always now referred to in NJ as "non-public" to avoid discrimination lawsuits. Such a suit was how BC and others Catholic high schools forced the public schools to let them into their league and to play games against them. Now the Catholic schools are moved into a separate league as "non-public" schools.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2017 9:28:36 GMT -5
For those not familiar with the NJ football coaching situation, Greg Toal was considered to be the top coach in a talented group in North Jersey. Last year, Don Bosco announced at a press conference that he had "retired" and they named his replacement. He says he was terminated without a reason given and (as this new post shows) he has clearly not "retired." No reason has been given for her termination by Don Bosco and there are ongoing settlement talks between Coach Toal and DB got on. There was a rumor that the new Principal did not like the amount of influence that Coach Toal had with students, parents and DB alumni and wanted to be rid of a "rival."
IMHO, this coaching staff is good enough that any school (including some colleges) would be lucky to sign them (individually or as a group).
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Post by sarasota on Jul 21, 2017 19:51:10 GMT -5
Bosco played down in this area in Bradenton against Manatee High in 2011 when they were both nationally ranked. Bosco won.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 21, 2017 20:20:30 GMT -5
Much cutthroat recruitment of 8th graders ? Yes
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 22, 2017 7:05:11 GMT -5
Much cutthroat recruitment of 8th graders ? Yes Interesting. What sort of "cutthroat" recruitment are you describing?
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 24, 2017 7:24:24 GMT -5
Is the head coach on the faculty? The assistants? How is tuition handled for recruited 8th graders? Are the boosters/others involved?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2017 8:21:30 GMT -5
The head coach is on the faculty as is assistant coach Toal. Assistant coach Stengel I only there as a coach since he retired. Most recruited athletes (at BC at least) pay their own tuition. To the best of my knowledge, boosters are not involved directly in recruiting.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2017 8:44:47 GMT -5
. Most recruited athletes (at BC at least) pay their own tuition. Does "most " mean 51% ?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2017 9:01:12 GMT -5
. Most recruited athletes (at BC at least) pay their own tuition. Does "most " mean 51% ? Probably more like 90+ percent. Don Bosco has always been an exception in this regard. They have long given partial scholarships to bring their tuition in line with the diocese high schools.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2017 9:22:17 GMT -5
Probably more like 90+ percent. I am sceptical.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2017 9:30:43 GMT -5
Granted. I can understand your skepticism, since the players involved often speak about getting "scholarship offers.' As AD at Bergen, I heard about a number of players saying they had received such offers. It simply was not true. A kid was boasting and some adult took him seriously. One of the silliest was a call from the state athletic office about mandatory out of season practices being held by the BC coaches. (At the time, such practices with coaches were not allowed.) What happened was that a young player on a summer baseball team did not want to attend a practice (for some personal reason). He said to the coach he could not come because he had to go to a mandatory football practice. It never happened but it took weeks to satisfy the NJSIAA observers.
The one way a student at Bergen could get a scholarship was to have a parent or guardian die. His tuition was then paid by the parents clubs. That is hardly what the state has an issue with.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2017 9:36:57 GMT -5
When were you last at BC ? As the HS hoops recruiting world in NJ and NYC has changed drastically, I surmise that football has as well.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2017 9:47:28 GMT -5
I was there last month and I am regularly in contact with the folks at the school. As a former public school coach, I am aware of abuses that do occur, but they are not as widespread some would believe. (I remember one school having all of the football starters on their baseball team. Every practice saw about an hour of football drills and less time than than on baseball skills...like actually fielding and batting.)
The parents and alumni (you might call them boosters) at BC raise money to defray the costs of their trips out of state to play some top flight competition. Their next project will be to raise funds to build a stadium that will triple seating and will house specialty rooms for preforming arts and other specialty studies - as well as coaches' offices, meeting rooms, and a new weight/conditioning room.
PS: I had heard that Toal left DB because of the new principal resenting his influence at the school. Another former Bergen County AD told me that may not have been the case. He believes that Toal was let go (he certainly did not voluntarily "retire" as the school said) because he just did not win enough games over the last 2-3 seasons to justify his very late salary - including pay as an administrator.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 24, 2017 10:07:11 GMT -5
What my question meant was when were you last the AD at BC ?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 24, 2017 10:15:09 GMT -5
Early 1970s, of course I was an officer of the county coaches' association until 2012.
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 27, 2017 12:54:44 GMT -5
The North Jersey public schools had one excuse; "you recruit." Every kid at the school is essentially recruited. The public schools have a huge advantage .....it's FREE.
It's like Harvard whining that we give scholarships when their budget is twice ours for football.
Much like the best response to Patriots haters; "Ya hate us 'cause ya ain't us."
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Post by rickii on Aug 2, 2017 14:22:13 GMT -5
The North Jersey public schools had one excuse; "you recruit." Every kid at the school is essentially recruited. The public schools have a huge advantage .....it's FREE.It's like Harvard whining that we give scholarships when their budget is twice ours for football. Much like the best response to Patriots haters; "Ya hate us 'cause ya ain't us." What about local school taxes ?
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 2, 2017 14:53:31 GMT -5
You have to pay them no matter where you kid attends school (or even if you have no kids), so that is a very different point. If you send your children to the public school, there is no additional cost (in effect "free") and you will have to pay your taxes even if your kids attend a private school.
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Post by rickii on Aug 2, 2017 15:25:44 GMT -5
You have to pay them no matter where you kid attends school (or even if you have no kids), so that is a very different point. If you send your children to the public school, there is no additional cost (in effect "free") and you will have to pay your taxes even if your kids attend a private school. Exactly. Parents who elect to send their child to Bergen Catholic pay both tuition at BC plus their local taxes....I'd say that's a sacrifice....not an advantage for the privates.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 2, 2017 15:29:00 GMT -5
You have to pay them no matter where you kid attends school (or even if you have no kids), so that is a very different point. If you send your children to the public school, there is no additional cost (in effect "free") and you will have to pay your taxes even if your kids attend a private school. Exactly. Parents who elect to send their child to Bergen Catholic pay both tuition at BC plus their local taxes....I'd say that's a sacrifice....not an advantage for the privates.
I agree, but if vouchers go through, it will be even more of a public/parochial discrepancy in talent...academically as well as athletically.
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