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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2017 7:34:23 GMT -5
Welcome to you and you son.
Most here recognize what you say, but some are frustrated by the record of the past few seasons.
Please post often. Your perspective is needed.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 30, 2017 7:34:46 GMT -5
newsaderdad,
You are right all points. Coach Gilmore has done a lot with some serous handicaps in terms of program support. The support is now there (as the talent of the incoming frosh shows) and it is great to think HC is on the verge of rising again to greatness. We have seen it recently in basketball and baseball and this year could be football's time to surprise the fans. My pick of 7-4 is probably a bit of a reach, but we have seen so many close losses in recent seasons (after some dramatic and most unusual plays went against HC) that it may also be time for some of those key plays to be reversed.
PS: Welcome to CROSSPORTS and please post often.
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Post by lou on Jul 30, 2017 7:44:12 GMT -5
I have met CTG a few times, he's a terrific person and fine coach at HC. Pretty sure though that his job description, besides properly representing Holy Cross as expected by his boss, includes winning more games than he loses. Welcome to HC newdad, your son made a fine choice and hopefully has a great experience at Holy Cross
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Post by hcpride on Jul 30, 2017 7:44:46 GMT -5
IMHO he is a credit to the institution. Even those who bemoan the enormous imbalance between athletics and academics (in turns of merit aid) at Holy Cross credit the high standards of Coach Gilmore.
To be fair, it is not at all unusual for alums from various institutions to place blame on the head football coach for losing records. And second-guess various decisions. And all of those institutions stand for way more than football wins and losses. I think everyone understands that.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 30, 2017 7:45:45 GMT -5
I know that some people are not impressed with the teams record for the past years but you will not find a better gentlemen and representative of
Holy Cross then Tom Gilmore. I'm sure the administration knows what he means to the school.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 30, 2017 8:05:10 GMT -5
newsaderdad, welcome to the board and it appears at least initially you have brought out the supporters of Tom Gilmore (the naysayers must sleep in on Sundays!  ). All that you posted about Tom is accurate. My wife and I have known him since he started coaching at Holy Cross. He is a quality person and as I have posted often, by his own and frequent admission, he is "intense" (or "focused" as he prefers to describe himself). He absolutely loves Holy Cross and the student-athletes he guides. But, as others have posted, he is a football coach and there is an expectation of all coaches that they win. In another thread, I gave my opinion as to the reasons for the lack of wins of late, fully realizing that some would say they are excuses and/or that I am apologist for Tom. I am heartened by the construction of the Luth Athletic Complex a/k/a "NFH" according to Phreek. I believe that it will enhance the image of Holy Cross to future recruits and with higher quality players there will be a turnaround in football fortunes on Mt. St. James. My sincere hope is that Tom Gilmore is one of the beneficiaries of this new found focus. Post often as we will all appreciate your insights. |
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Post by timholycross on Jul 30, 2017 8:18:15 GMT -5
Can we say at this point the program is, or theoretically should be, on a level playing field with it's Patriot League brethren? Not that there still aren't achievable improvements that could be made.
If so, then, yes, the win-loss record should overall be better and it's understood by both coach and administration that this type of job does not have tenure.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 30, 2017 8:34:01 GMT -5
I know that I (and others) have mentioned this before, but it was not that many years ago that when there was a long threat on this very board wondering just how long we would be fortunate enough to have CTG at HC. Some felt that he would be in such demand that there was no way HC could keep him on board. This is that same man. He inspires his players and I am pulling for this year to be the type of season he deserves...with no major injuries!  |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 30, 2017 9:00:00 GMT -5
Thanks for your perspective, newsaderdad. Post often. Need to start winning soon but I think the rope has been as long as it has for TG the reasons you cite.
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Post by joe on Jul 30, 2017 9:02:23 GMT -5
Coach is a tremendous guy and a positive role model, and a fabulous representative of HC, and I believe everyone would like to see his teams win and for him to remain.
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Post by breezy on Jul 30, 2017 9:19:09 GMT -5
It is certainly true that HC has not been on a level-playing field with other PL schools until very recently. Even when scholarships were first introduced four years ago, HC did not immediately go to the 60 permitted by the PL but was restricted to a lower number until the Fr. Boroughs / Nate Pine era. Newsaderdad is right that HC has been playing catch-up and with the new facilities, an improved staff, and a tremendous incoming recruit class, HC has what it will take to be at the top tier of the league. (By the way, although newsaderdad's son has gotten relatively little attention to date, he will be a GREAT addition to the HC roster.)
I am very pleased to see that Coach Gilmore is getting some positive recognition for all that he has done for Holy Cross over the past 13 years. He has done so much for Holy Cross that has not been generally recognized. I sincerely hope that he will have the success in the future that will allow him to remain at the head of our football program as long as he wants to be there.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 30, 2017 9:25:13 GMT -5
I am a native NYer haven't lived there in 25 years but still a native. 3 schools in PL are king and all have had "scholarships" forever. Fordham is where my Brother played '91-'94 on full ride. Had multiple friends at Lehigh and Colgate on scholarship. Those schools have never taken a break from Football being cery important. At the end of the day HC and rest of the league are playing catchup and that takes time. TG is only now playing the same game as the big 3 so to speak so we all need to wait a bit and see how the program does on a level playing field. A real important piece of info about how thin his roster has been, PP & CD are only 2 scholarship QBs on current roster, the injury last season was that overwhelming. Great posts, newsaderdad. People forget that HC was not only way behind the top of the PL in terms of support given to the football program, but even surpassed by NEC schools when they brought on scholarships. This resulted in a steep drop-off in talent compared to the kids TG brought in as part of his first few classes. Coming back from that was not going to happen overnight. Like you, I am also confident that TG is the right man for this job and for getting this program back where it needs to be. |
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Post by td128 on Jul 30, 2017 9:48:17 GMT -5
Let's Win . . . !!
Friends of Crusader Football mission: "A commitment to excellence in helping the Crusaders win on and off the field."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 30, 2017 10:30:24 GMT -5
newsaderdad-- I think Tom Gilmore is a great representative of Holy Cross and I hope he will lead the Crusaders to a great 2017 season and for many successful seasons thereafter. With scholarships in place and with the great new recruiting tools in the form of the new facilities, my eternal optimism has only increased.
Some of the dissatisfaction with the program's performance comes from the many agonizing close losses we have suffered. For example, in the past five seasons HC is 0-4 in overtime games, 2-10 in games decided by 1 point or in OT, 4-16 in games decided by 3 or fewer points. So, it seems that all too often we prove on the playing field that we are the equal of our opponents but just cannot seem to beat them. Some believe that the coaching staff bears a lot of responsibility for those narrow losses. I hope I never again in my life have to see a game like the loss to Albany in 2014, for example: just insane.
Good luck to your son in his HC football career and academically at America's best college.
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Post by ncaam on Jul 30, 2017 11:46:22 GMT -5
New sader dad, will you be disappointed if your son does not reach the FCS playoffs in his four-year career at Holy Cross? Chart out for us what a successful outcome at HC academically and athletically would be for your son. Welcome. Go Cross Go!
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2017 12:04:03 GMT -5
Some of the dissatisfaction with the program's performance comes from the many agonizing close losses we have suffered. For example, in the past five seasons HC is 0-4 in overtime games, 2-10 in games decided by 1 point or in OT, 4-16 in games decided by 3 or fewer points. So, it seems that all too often we prove on the playing field that we are the equal of our opponents but just cannot seem to beat them. Some believe that the coaching staff bears a lot of responsibility for those narrow losses. I hope I never again in my life have to see a game like the loss to Albany in 2014, for example: just insane. Good luck to your son in his HC football career and academically at America's best college. I am far more disturbed by the blowouts by peer schools, esp last season, than the close losses and the losses to Gtown, who gives minimum funding. |
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Post by lou on Jul 30, 2017 12:14:04 GMT -5
Hey newsaderdad ... which coaches in the PL are lowering the standards of their respective institutions in pursuit of wins?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 30, 2017 13:06:27 GMT -5
Some of the dissatisfaction with the program's performance comes from the many agonizing close losses we have suffered. For example, in the past five seasons HC is 0-4 in overtime games, 2-10 in games decided by 1 point or in OT, 4-16 in games decided by 3 or fewer points. So, it seems that all too often we prove on the playing field that we are the equal of our opponents but just cannot seem to beat them. Some believe that the coaching staff bears a lot of responsibility for those narrow losses. I hope I never again in my life have to see a game like the loss to Albany in 2014, for example: just insane. Good luck to your son in his HC football career and academically at America's best college. I am far more disturbed by the blowouts by peer schools, esp last season, than the close losses and the losses to Gtown, who gives minimum funding. The only blowout losses last year were to Fordham, Lehigh, and Colgate - three schools who were not our peers in terms of football support until very recently. Our program depth was not going to come back overnight, and that was exposed when we lost a few key guys at key positions last year. Our scholarship recruiting appears to be trending in an excellent direction based on last year's class and the current verbals for the next class, and I see no reason to believe why that will not continue. Also, we haven't lost to Georgetown since 2014, in the final game of a 4-8 season when we were still phasing out of a time when our program received a level of support that was a lot closer to Gtown than Fordham, Colgate and Lehigh. |
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Post by ncaam on Jul 30, 2017 14:37:12 GMT -5
I am far more disturbed by the blowouts by peer schools, esp last season, than the close losses and the losses to Gtown, who gives minimum funding. The only blowout losses last year were to Fordham, Lehigh, and Colgate - three schools who were not our peers in terms of football support until very recently. Our program depth was not going to come back overnight, and that was exposed when we lost a few key guys at key positions last year. Our scholarship recruiting appears to be trending in an excellent direction based on last year's class and the current verbals for the next class, and I see no reason to believe why that will not continue. Also, we haven't lost to Georgetown since 2014, in the final game of a 4-8 season when we were still phasing out of a time when our program received a level of support that was a lot closer to Gtown than Fordham, Colgate and Lehigh. Only 3 blowouts!? That's the equivalent to 8 basketball blowouts. BBC, you are the most knowledgeable basketball person on the board. Football? Not so much. 😁 I am not close to the football parents. I've spoken extensively with the basketball parents. I have never heard a discouraging word by any of them towards the coaches who recruited their sons. Perhaps it's the $200000+ scholarship. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 30, 2017 14:38:28 GMT -5
At least at HC there are more wins and losses of 10+ points than there are of 9 or fewer.
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Post by crossbball13 on Jul 30, 2017 16:41:00 GMT -5
I am not close to the football parents. I've spoken extensively with the basketball parents. I have never heard a discouraging word by any of them towards the coaches who recruited their sons. Perhaps it's the $200000+ scholarship. I have--but about your old friend. |
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Post by sarasota on Jul 30, 2017 20:58:07 GMT -5
Tuition and Fees
$48,940
Room and Board
$13,225
Total
$62,165 X 4 yrs = $248,660
Just an observation, not directed at any parent in particular. Parents of scholarship players are the recipients of a gift worth a quarter of a million dollars. One could hardly consider such parents objective evaluators of the coach who approved that gift.
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Post by ncaam on Jul 30, 2017 21:18:32 GMT -5
Thank you all for the welcome messages our Son is really happy and looking forward to his 4 years. A successful experience at HC would include winning but at absolutely no expense of any of HC's values or commitment to academic excellence. All 3 of my brothers and I played college football at various levels, I played baseball and basketball a little in college as well. the only guy to really make an impact on any of us was a D3 coach my brother played for the rest were self righteous Aholes. Not 1 of us has ever asked about wins or losses to our son or his cousin who is entering his freshman year at a top d2 college in SC as a pitcher. So success is only measured by the outcome of the person HC & CTG sends to the world upon graduation. Playoffs are overrated and a real pain in the tailpad but a conference championship is a very nice way to celebrate a season. I have very personal knowledge of Colgate, Fordham,Lehigh Lafayette, as well as others in the Ivies that have extremely flexible rules for mid band kids not low band they are really hard to get help on Btw, many of us would like a change in Admissions office at HC too |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 30, 2017 21:51:16 GMT -5
Those are for full schollies.
For all of our full schollies commits, they have turned down schollies, for some multiple, equal to or greater than the value of ours.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 31, 2017 7:52:53 GMT -5
hoops - Perhaps other offers were worth more in tuition, room, & board dollars, but no way were any of them are of equal or greater value!  Newsaderdad. Welcome. Post often as you see fit. As an alumnus and a father of a daughter who is a current junior and a son who graduated in 2016, your son has made a great choice and wish him a tremendous experience at Holy Cross academically, socially, spiritually and athletically! |
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