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Post by hchoops on Aug 5, 2017 12:20:40 GMT -5
I still hope that the varsity club goes back(as they did in 2016 with Bob Foley) to induct Gene Doyle and Jim Schnurr ( seriously ill)., both of whom should have been in long ago.
Doyle: #20 all time points, 17.5 average, #10 Career reb Ave.
Schnurr: #32 all time pts, Ave 15.2. #8 career reb Ave. #9 FG %
But if not, now that Tim S., Kevin H., and Keith S. are in, I think that Jave Meade should be next.
Most importantly, he was the primary point guard for three PL championships and three outstanding NCAA games vs highly ranked opponents in '01, '02, and '03. In that Marquette game he played 40 mins, scored 10 on 8 fga, had 11 assists and 2 turnovers, 3 steals.
79-43 career record
senior year captain
Stats are impressive also
Career:
1st in minutes played
2nd in assists, led team all four seasons
3rd in steals, led team the three PLC seasons
1024 points for a pass first point
averaged greater than 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio
averaged 3.4 rebounds as a point guard
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Post by dadominate on Aug 5, 2017 14:20:40 GMT -5
amen, amen! agree 100% about jave for the hc hof.
while a case can be made for torey, i think jave was the best hc point guard of the pl era and one of the better point guards at any school in the pl era.
even beyond jave's excellent statistics, he was an absolutely superb floor general and confident leader in ways that can't be quantified. point guard is the most important position on the court and jave was a major reason that we won those three pl championships. i will never forget his focused intensity during the pl championship win over american at the hart center.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 5, 2017 14:44:19 GMT -5
HC had a 79-43 WL record = .648 during his four years
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Post by ncaam on Aug 5, 2017 14:55:55 GMT -5
Must one be a graduate of hc to be in hof.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 5, 2017 15:24:57 GMT -5
Must one be a graduate of hc to be in hof. There could always be an exception in some extraordinary circumstances, but I would think so. |
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 5, 2017 16:18:46 GMT -5
I would hope so! We don't need no stinkin' Stacom! (We know that who you're thinking about!)  |
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 5, 2017 16:20:35 GMT -5
And pound for pound, the best fighter on Holy Cross basketball team - even better than Vicens!  |
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Post by hchoops on Aug 5, 2017 19:23:45 GMT -5
Though I loved Jave long before he came to HC, I would put both Michael and Keith Hochstein ahead of Jave.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 6, 2017 5:40:51 GMT -5
amen, amen! agree 100% about jave for the hc hof. while a case can be made for torey, i think jave was the best hc point guard of the pl era and one of the better point guards at any school in the pl era. even beyond jave's excellent statistics, he was an absolutely superb floor general and confident leader in ways that can't be quantified. point guard is the most important position on the court and jave was a major reason that we won those three pl championships. i will never forget his focused intensity during the pl championship win over american at the hart center. followed that up with a superb performance against Marquette in the tournament. |
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Post by timholycross on Aug 6, 2017 19:41:00 GMT -5
I would hope so! We don't need no stinkin' Stacom! (We know that who you're thinking about!) Believe the reference is to Gene who left campus more or less immediately after the 72-73 season ended. A very unique individual, to say the least. More importantly, sad to hear Jim has health problems |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 6, 2017 19:53:13 GMT -5
George Connor is in the HoF, and he played one season. Not his only HoF either.  |
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Post by timholycross on Aug 6, 2017 19:58:17 GMT -5
I assume you are advocating for gene. I'd be very disappointed in the varsity club if they voted stacom in.
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Post by Tom on Aug 6, 2017 20:25:15 GMT -5
Must one be a graduate of hc to be in hof. No. Recentl inductees Fr K and Bob Fouracre were not grads Coaches Duffner and Anderson didn't go to HC In terms of athletes, original inductee Sockalexis transferred to Notre Dame and is not an HC grad |
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Post by ncaam on Aug 6, 2017 20:36:21 GMT -5
Good sleuthing
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Post by hchoops on Aug 6, 2017 22:04:58 GMT -5
I assume you are advocating for gene. I'd be very disappointed in the varsity club if they voted stacom in. I am advocating for Gene. Kevin's one season certainly was not Hall worthy. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2017 8:39:07 GMT -5
Thank you, but actually not sleuthing. Geek-like local sports memory |
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Post by hchoops on Aug 7, 2017 8:41:46 GMT -5
Must one be a graduate of hc to be in hof. No. Recentl inductees Fr K and Bob Fouracre were not grads Coaches Duffner and Anderson didn't go to HC In terms of athletes, original inductee Sockalexis transferred to Notre Dame and is not an HC grad George Connor, in HoF for football and hoops, also did not graduate: HC, the US Navy, UND |
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Post by hchoops on Aug 7, 2017 8:53:31 GMT -5
Must one be a graduate of hc to be in hof. No. Recentl inductees Fr K and Bob Fouracre were not grads Coaches Duffner and Anderson didn't go to HC Add Doggie Julian and Buster Sheary |
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Post by ncaam on Aug 7, 2017 9:00:53 GMT -5
Did gene Doyle graduate?
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2017 10:54:26 GMT -5
No. Recentl inductees Fr K and Bob Fouracre were not grads Coaches Duffner and Anderson didn't go to HC Add Doggie Julian and Buster Sheary Probably lots more examples. I just came up with a handful of examples off the top of my head to support my premise that graduating from HC is not a requirement for the Hall. I'm guessing there were some great coaches who I've never heard of because they were in "minor" sports but still inducted |
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 7, 2017 11:32:23 GMT -5
The names mentioned were not selected as athletes.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 7, 2017 12:00:58 GMT -5
The names mentioned were not selected as athletes. Sockalexis ? Connor ? |
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Post by ncaam on Aug 7, 2017 12:22:51 GMT -5
My opinion athletes should not make hof unless they graduate absent extenuating circumstances.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 7, 2017 13:15:01 GMT -5
The names mentioned were not selected as athletes. Sockalexis ? Connor ? I stand corrected. Thanks. Coaches and chaplains are a separate situation. Sockalexis and Connor are two clear exceptions as athletes. Unless the is a clear reason for an exception , I still prefer that all athletes be graduates of HC. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 7, 2017 15:13:50 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Thanks. Coaches and chaplains are a separate situation. Sockalexis and Connor are two clear exceptions as athletes. Unless the is a clear reason for an exception , I still prefer that all athletes be graduates of HC. I agree that there should be a darn good reason for a non graduate athlete to get in. I had to look up the Connor story. Leaving school to join the military is a no brainer, free pass in my book Sockalexis isn't as clear. Because it's a cool yet tragic story as baseball's first indian I like pushing the HC connection. Also if you look up his exploits, it is insane how above the bell curve they were. That being said, in all fairness, wasn't he just an off the charts stud version of Kevin Stacom who just chose to transfer? |
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