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Post by hc87 on Aug 8, 2017 21:33:51 GMT -5
For other masochists like myself.
We actually hung tough for much of the game....it was only 10-0 at half and we were inside the ten at the end of the first half but didn't convert.
First time I've evah seen this...was at the game myself....video is a bit spotty but not bad....amazing to see the size of HC's fans in the crowd....we actually had that many fans at one time???
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Post by sarasota on Aug 9, 2017 1:56:32 GMT -5
so many familiar names
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Post by joe on Aug 9, 2017 5:59:56 GMT -5
Announcer talking about BC after about a minute: "The point is, they're winning the game because of their running attack."
BC's QB is Doug Flutie.
Some things will never change.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 9, 2017 8:21:56 GMT -5
Did you notice at the point when the video started Flutie was 3-16? HC probably dropped everyone and his brother into coverage and the run game was wide open.
Also a portent of things to come. IIRC BC won 47-7. That 47 would have been 52, but BC missed 5 pat kicks. Then, as they could obviously afford to, made a bunch of jokes about it the next day. Well, wouldn't you know they lost their bowl game to Notre Dame, 21-18. Yes, the 18 should have been 21, missed PAT kicks bit them in the butt.
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Post by joe on Aug 9, 2017 8:24:39 GMT -5
Did you notice at the point when the video started Flutie was 3-16? HC probably dropped everyone and his brother into coverage and the run game was wide open. Also a portent of things to come. IIRC BC won 47-7. That 47 would have been 52, but BC missed 5 pat kicks. Then, as they could obviously afford to, made a bunch of jokes about it the next day. Well, wouldn't you know they lost their bowl game to Notre Dame, 21-18. Yes, the 18 should have been 21, missed PAT kicks bit them in the butt. You're right. If you watch, there are several plays where Flutie had all day in the pocket, definitely dropped them back.
Fun link.
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Post by hc87 on Aug 9, 2017 8:53:49 GMT -5
Anyone remember what happened when we were down 10-0 and inside BC's 10 late in the 1st H? The ABC telecast went into "technical difficulties" (remember those?  )....it comes back and BC has the ball. That was a very good BC team....too bad that some of our best teams in the 80s matched up with probably BC's best teams of the modern era. |
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Post by hcpride on Aug 9, 2017 16:58:02 GMT -5
That '83 HC team had a loaded roster - including 3 future NFL draftees. And Harry Flaherty, Peter Muldoon, etc. I was watching a game that year (or I think it was that year ) and one of our defensive players, Tim Galloway, just took over the game. It was clear he, and a few other HC players, were frequently the most talented folks on the field when playing our usual I-AA competition. I have a vague recollection he had transferred in from Ohio State (which would make sense given his I-A talent and the fact he was later drafted into the USFL) but I could be way off on that memory. I haven't heard much about Galloway since and I am pretty sure he was injured (like Fenerty) for the BC game.
Of course in 1983 BC was in a completely different stratosphere (Flutie, national top-20, beat Clemson and Penn State and Alabama, etc.) than us. We kept it close for a time in the David-Goliath struggle before it became BC's biggest blowout (47-7) that year. The next three years yielded three more one-sided affairs (30 point margins) against strong (for I-AA) HC teams to (thankfully and mercifully IMHO) end the series.
(Edit - thanks HC Hoops for the Galloway update...USFL Houston Gamblers)
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Post by hchoops on Aug 9, 2017 17:13:57 GMT -5
Galloway was drafted in the 11th round by Houston in 1984
he did start at OSU
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Post by timholycross on Aug 9, 2017 17:56:39 GMT -5
The other thing I remember about that game was a HC receiver getting hung out to dry by our qb (that is, a pass in the flat to a guy standing still with a BC guy running at him with ill intent). The guy delivering the hit was Steve DeOssie, and it knocked our receiver out for the rest of the season ...one of many injuries that left the Saders no where near full strength vs Western Carolina
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 11, 2017 17:53:04 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, '87. Just looking at all the fans in the stands, game being on ABC........what a different world.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Aug 11, 2017 19:14:04 GMT -5
Dave - it's Friday nite. Don't feed the 2am beast.
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Post by alum on Aug 12, 2017 8:25:12 GMT -5
That '83 HC team had a loaded roster - including 3 future NFL draftees. And Harry Flaherty, Peter Muldoon, etc. I was watching a game that year (or I think it was that year ) and one of our defensive players, Tim Galloway, just took over the game. It was clear he, and a few other HC players, were frequently the most talented folks on the field when playing our usual I-AA competition. I have a vague recollection he had transferred in from Ohio State (which would make sense given his I-A talent and the fact he was later drafted into the USFL) but I could be way off on that memory. I haven't heard much about Galloway since and I am pretty sure he was injured (like Fenerty) for the BC game. Of course in 1983 BC was in a completely different stratosphere (Flutie, national top-20, beat Clemson and Penn State and Alabama, etc.) than us. We kept it close for a time in the David-Goliath struggle before it became BC's biggest blowout (47-7) that year. The next three years yielded three more one-sided affairs (30 point margins) against strong (for I-AA) HC teams to (thankfully and mercifully IMHO) end the series. (Edit - thanks HC Hoops for the Galloway update...USFL Houston Gamblers) Gary Quinlan was injured and couldn't play against Western Carolina in the playoffs |
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Post by beaven302 on Aug 12, 2017 13:19:39 GMT -5
I foolishly went to this game. My chief memories are of fans drinking cold beer in what was clearly hot-coffee weather and the downer feeling resulting from just having seen HC lose by a big score and facing the prospect of having to drive all the way home to New York.
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Post by hc87 on Aug 14, 2017 9:56:42 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, '87. Just looking at all the fans in the stands, game being on ABC........what a different world. My pleasure....a different world/era to be sure, probably never to be quite equaled in terms of HC fan support sadly. Leading into 1983, HC was coming off two wins against BC ('77 and '78) and three very close losses ('79, '80 and '81)...the previous season's blow-out loss in '82 seemed to be the anomaly in the recent series at the time. HC was still very much "Worcester's team" at this point...ending the BC football series effectively killed off much of the subway-alumni support imo.... which has never really returned. Demographically (for HC alums) it was a totally different world too. A graduate of HC from say the Class of '50 (like my Dad, CHC8485's Dad etc) would have only been in his mid 50s in 1983, he and countless other alumni from even the late 1930s through the mid-1960s (roughly the era when we still played "big-boy" football) were still around and attending games in much greater #'s than HC alumni from the PL era. I'm not advocating for a return to playing BC at the end of the year or going FBS here...just an explanation as to the size of the crowd (particularly for HC) that day. I'm not saying "all is lost" here...just that in terms of fan support, for these reasons and probably countless others, we will probably never approach the support (in terms of #'s of fans) that we had in 1983. |
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Post by hcpride on Aug 14, 2017 10:41:29 GMT -5
hc87 I see your point and agree. My sister was '81 and I was a few years later and there was still an active memory of recent close games and victories w/BC when I attended. Unfortunately that is long gone. Two weeks ago a deli counter girl near my house was wearing a BC Eagles T-Shirt and she told me she was about to start there. I pointed to my HC T-Shirt and said (forgetting how long ago the rivalry was), I went to Holy Cross. She looked confused as to why I was telling her so I felt compelled to explain that they were once football and academic rivals. I am not sure she believed me and it was as if I tried to convince her of a long-ago rivalry between Quinnipiac and BC or Marist and BC. She did tell me a friend of hers was going to HC so all is not lost. I did get the impression, as I do with the students I know, that she didn't see any athletic or academic similarities between BC and HC.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Aug 14, 2017 12:06:15 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, '87. Just looking at all the fans in the stands, game being on ABC........what a different world. My pleasure....a different world/era to be sure, probably never to be quite equaled in terms of HC fan support sadly. Leading into 1983, HC was coming off two wins against BC ('77 and '78) and three very close losses ('79, '80 and '81)...the previous season's blow-out loss in '82 seemed to be the anomaly in the recent series at the time. HC was still very much "Worcester's team" at this point...ending the BC football series effectively killed off much of the subway-alumni support imo.... which has never really returned. Demographically (for HC alums) it was a totally different world too. A graduate of HC from say the Class of '50 (like my Dad, CHC8485's Dad etc) would have only been in his mid 50s in 1983, he and countless other alumni from even the late 1930s through the mid-1960s (roughly the era when we still played "big-boy" football) were still around and attending games in much greater #'s than HC alumni from the PL era. I'm not advocating for a return to playing BC at the end of the year or going FBS here...just an explanation as to the size of the crowd (particularly for HC) that day. I'm not saying "all is lost" here...just that in terms of fan support, for these reasons and probably countless others, we will probably never approach the support (in terms of #'s of fans) that we had in 1983. Different world. Penn/Princeton probably drew 35,000 that year. No cable TV, o internet, no cell phones etc. |
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Post by hc87 on Aug 14, 2017 12:44:00 GMT -5
Agreed...as I posted, multiple reasons for this but my general thesis above is that the "core" for HC football fans will probably never exceed what it was that day in 1983, as you probably had around 40 years of classes from an all-male HC (1932-72) , as well as the support of many non-grads from that era from the Greater Worcester region that day in Foxboro. Much of that support has either sadly passed on or have moved on since.
Again, not a polemic for returning to an all-male HC that plays in the FBS...just a hypothesis for why there were probably 20+K HC fans at Sullivan that day versus the crowds we see at Fitton today.
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Post by gks on Aug 14, 2017 12:52:55 GMT -5
That was a great era for New England college football. Flutie was pure magic on the field. Unfortunately for many reasons we'll never see that again.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 15, 2017 12:13:40 GMT -5
That was a great era for New England college football. Flutie was pure magic on the field. Unfortunately for many reasons we'll never see that again. Thought of Flutie when I heard the news about Frank Broyles' death. Broyles did several BC telecasts with Keith Jackson. Seemed to genuinely enjoy watching him play. And I loved hearing that Foghorn Leghorn-like voice of his. |
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Post by gks on Aug 15, 2017 12:44:22 GMT -5
Nobody said "Brian Brennan" better than Broyles!
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Post by hc87 on Aug 15, 2017 12:56:46 GMT -5
"Keith....he was a quarterback in high school." RIP Coach Broyles |
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 15, 2017 13:55:31 GMT -5
On PTI yesterday Kornheiser mentioned that Broyles may have been the first to elogate the phrase "Student Ath-e-lete" and Willbon added, he certainly popularized the pronunciation.
Not old enough to remember his glory days as a coach at Arkansas, but certainly remember him with Keith Jackson ... Whoooa Nellie! ... on many Saturday afternoons in the late 70's to mid-80s.
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)....it comes back and BC has the ball.
