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Post by nhteamer on Sept 12, 2017 6:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 12, 2017 6:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Sept 12, 2017 7:35:03 GMT -5
Here is another piece on the topic with a bit more detail. www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/catholics-senate-amy-barrett/539124/Elections have consequences as Democrats have seen on what will likely be this President's most enduring legacy--the appointment of Justice Gorsuch. Senator Feinstein ought to have worked harder getting Mrs. Clinton (or another Democrat) elected so she would not have this problem. I think that Presidents ought to get most nominees approved. The test ought to be whether they are intellectually qualified, willing to respect the rule of law, and operating within a very wide understanding of the bounds of current legal thought. This test keeps out the crazies on both sides but mandates the approval of most judges and justices. Both parties are guilty of overreach in their opposition to judicial nominations. Leaving the federal judiciary understaffed is bad public policy.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 12, 2017 7:38:36 GMT -5
delete "catholic dogma" and insert "any other dogma."
Then stand back and watch the blowback.
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Post by alum on Sept 12, 2017 9:44:40 GMT -5
delete "catholic dogma" and insert "any other dogma." Then stand back and watch the blowback. Have you ever been to an auction? You are bidding against yourself. No one has disagreed with you.
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Post by ncaam on Sept 12, 2017 9:48:48 GMT -5
Too POLITICAL for Father B to comment.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 12, 2017 9:50:51 GMT -5
delete "catholic dogma" and insert "any other dogma." Then stand back and watch the blowback. Have you ever been to an auction? You are bidding against yourself. No one has disagreed with you. Well, Fr. Burroughs thought it important to comment on C'ville. Not this?
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 12, 2017 11:31:01 GMT -5
Hope he's not waiting on his former school, Georgetown, to say something, Is he on the phone conferring with his peers ? USNWR says we're a 'National LAC', so no time to consult with anyone about a story with national consequences. I'm afraid he'll let Fr. Jenkins ND statement stand alone, Disappointing.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 12, 2017 11:47:32 GMT -5
It is Fr. Boroughs, not Burroughs.
The nominee to the bench is a graduate of Notre Dame Law School.
As for the Princeton University president, Sen Cruz is a graduate of Princeton and during the hearing Cruz had major misgiving, based on her writings, that she could separate Catholic dogma from the law on death penalty cases.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 12, 2017 13:16:31 GMT -5
feel free to edit my misspelling of Fr Boroughs name.
I stand by the remainder of my posts.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 12, 2017 13:17:22 GMT -5
feel free to edit my misspelling of Fr Boroughs name.
I stand by the remainder of my posts.
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 13, 2017 12:45:10 GMT -5
I found the article to be a thoughtful one, even though the author had a particular point of view. The reality, of course, is that there is a dynamic tension here, between the laws of a pluralistic democracy where everyones views are allowed, and what the law itself has to say. I thought that this comment from "Lilou" in the Times said it well;
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 13, 2017 13:18:43 GMT -5
delete "catholic dogma" and insert "any other dogma." Then stand back and watch the blowback. Good for you Chu but let's get real You think the above is an overstatement?
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 13, 2017 13:21:50 GMT -5
Not good for me, good for all of us! Muslim, Jew, Catholic, Conservative Christian, Wiccan - the issue is the same with all, even though our personal bias may lead us to a different conclusion.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 13, 2017 13:28:52 GMT -5
A United States Senator who questioned to ability of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Wiccan to serve as a United States appellate court judge because of his/her "dogma" would be censured by the Senate in a New York minute!
Moreover, the media would be howling for (and get!) his/her head!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 13, 2017 14:16:32 GMT -5
A United States Senator who questioned to ability of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Wiccan to serve as a United States appellate court judge because of his/her "dogma" would be censured by the Senate in a New York minute! Moreover, the media would be howling for (and get!) his/her head! Perhaps you ought to read about the nomination of Justice Brandeis, bir.brandeis.edu/bitstream/handle/10192/31435/LDB100Dalin.pdf?sequence=1In which the President of Harvard is characterized as a virulent anti-Semite. (Which he indeed was. Perhaps Harvard ought remove his name from one of its residence houses.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 13, 2017 14:25:27 GMT -5
A United States Senator who questioned to ability of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Wiccan to serve as a United States appellate court judge because of his/her "dogma" would be censured by the Senate in a New York minute! Moreover, the media would be howling for (and get!) his/her head! Perhaps you ought to read about the nomination of Justice Brandeis, bir.brandeis.edu/bitstream/handle/10192/31435/LDB100Dalin.pdf?sequence=1It which the President of Harvard is characterized as a virulent anti-Semite. (Which he indeed was. Perhaps Harvard ought remove his name from one of its residence houses.) A proud son of Louisville, Kentucky
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Post by alum on Sept 14, 2017 6:44:38 GMT -5
A United States Senator who questioned to ability of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Wiccan to serve as a United States appellate court judge because of his/her "dogma" would be censured by the Senate in a New York minute! Moreover, the media would be howling for (and get!) his/her head! When I was a kid, my father was my Little League coach. There was a kid on the team who was kind of annoying and some of the kids did not want to warm up with him. My father told me I had to play catch with him because we were part of a team. NHteamer is on our team, and he is desperately trying to get people to play with him on this thread, so I'll join in just a bit. NH--If we had a judicial nominee who practices Islam and has written that her faith should inform her decision making and, at times, require recusal from cases, I think that we would expect Senators to question on that in a hearing if, for no other reason, than to make sure that the potential jurist will be available to hear a wide variety of cases. Professor Barrett's almost thirty year old coauthored law review piece (which I skimmed) seems to say that a Catholic jurist cannot participate in many (but not all) parts of capital cases. Reading the piece, one would conclude that the same thought process would apply to abortion cases. I don't think that it is inappropriate to explore the issue of the types of cases that would necessitate recusal and to secure a commitment from the nominee that she would do so. This is less of an issue on the Court of Appeals than on the Supreme Court as there are many judges in each circuit and a recusal does not work much mischief, but it ought to be questioned. Professor Barrett answered the questions deftly and committed to following precedent and the recusal rules. That should have been enough. Senator Feinstein went too far and her after the fact explanations made the problem worse and exposed her to appropriate criticism. Now to take us to your original topic, i.e. the need for our illustrious president to release a statement on this, having previously released a statement on Charlottesville. I am sure that you agree that Father B cannot be expected to comment on every Washington dustup and I am certain that you are not suggesting that there is a moral equivalence between Senator Feinstein's over the line questioning and the actions of torch bearing, racist, anti Semites rioting (and causing death) in the streets of a college town in Virginia over the decision of the owner of a statue to take it down. There would have been nothing wrong with Father B issuing a statement about the Barrett matter. He could have taken the opportunity to issue a thoughtful piece about the intersection of religion and public duty in American life but that would be a little more complicated than simply condemning racism. Finally, you did not say it, so let me remind you of one more thing. You are looking for a Holy Cross official to stand up for a conservative Catholic judicial nominee. I know one who did and I know that you believe that he was the greatest President in the history of the college. www.c-span.org/video/?21697-1/thomas-confirmation-hearing-day-6-part-2
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 14, 2017 6:57:34 GMT -5
Except in matters relating to athletics!!!!
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 18, 2017 7:04:58 GMT -5
you can bet he was 99.9% with CT, nominee for the the SCOTUS, yet held his nose tightly that he is a conservative.
BTW, I believe the president of every Catholic college in the US should have issued a statement.
And I'll appropriately let this thread die but think amplitude of reaction (not whether or not there would have been one) if the beliefs weren't Catholic.
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