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Post by hc87 on Sept 30, 2017 20:04:53 GMT -5
Nate Pine as Captain Willard and Coach Gilmore as Colonel Kurtz
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Post by crusader1970 on Sept 30, 2017 20:05:29 GMT -5
So many posters have made very valid points about both our record since 2012 (21-41) and some of the horrible coaching decisions made today.
it's actually pretty simple, Mr Pine.
TG may be a nice guy who tries hard. Not good enough.
It's time to give someone else a try as head coach.
HC has invested so much now in athletics and having a C+ quality football coach no longer is acceptable.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 30, 2017 20:07:58 GMT -5
Extremely disappointing that we appeared hungover after an excruciatingly tough loss to Dartmouth. I was hoping this team would be different than those in the past and bounce back with a convincing win today. O line embarrassed themselves. Cannot believe as poorly as they were playing HC went for it at the end of the game. And, guess what play it was? Hey Diddle Diddle, Diquan Walker up the middle, WHICH NEVER WORKS!
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Post by hcpride on Sept 30, 2017 20:09:27 GMT -5
If it is any consolation, the PL took quite a beating again today. Monmouth, Yale, Harvard, Wagner all win.
BTW Colgate does beat Cornell.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 30, 2017 20:10:28 GMT -5
Nate Pine as Captain willard and Coach Gilmore as Colenel Kurtz I would have gone with When The Music's Over. "His Methods are Unsound!" True Dat.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 30, 2017 20:19:12 GMT -5
Nate Pine as Captain willard and Coach Gilmore as Colenel Kurtz I would have gone with When The Music's Over. "His Methods are Unsound!" True Dat. lol...Nate Pine tomorrow morning: "Worcester??? S***....I'm still only in Worcester." You have to laugh at this point.....
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Post by crusader12 on Sept 30, 2017 22:06:57 GMT -5
I can't even sleep after this game I'm so dumbfounded. Fourth quarter, 4th down tied 7-7 own 33? WHAT PLANT ARE WE LIVING ON? ??
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Post by unhfan on Sept 30, 2017 22:14:11 GMT -5
How could this same team beat UNH ? Many UNH fans wondering the same thing! My guess is UNH overlooked Holy Cross maybe like the Cross did to Lafayette. Hey upsets happen! Any Given Saturday!
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Post by hc87 on Sept 30, 2017 22:15:55 GMT -5
I can't even sleep after this game I'm so dumbfounded. Fourth quarter, 4th down tied 7-7 own 33? WHAT PLANT ARE WE LIVING ON? ?? Mushrooms obviously....if you've followed HC football undah Gilmore, this is nothing new....
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 30, 2017 22:50:46 GMT -5
Nice bit of wit even in your time of despair. Well done, IH
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 30, 2017 22:57:32 GMT -5
Feels like Colonel Klink and Sgt. Schultz some gamedays like today. Or perhaps we are Schultz and Klink getting duped each year into thinking HC will be better than evah with more schollies and games coached by HCTG
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Post by hc87 on Sept 30, 2017 23:00:40 GMT -5
Believe me...hardly a time of despair....more like vindication in many ways.....I don't take solace in this but I think Gilmore has finally been exposed for the detriment he is to HC football....again, jump all ovah me if you want to/need to...but you can't defend this guy as the head coach moving forward imo....
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Post by timholycross on Oct 1, 2017 8:31:32 GMT -5
Getting back to the movie theme, how could I forget the term that was in vogue at HC during my days there to describe debauchery and general rude behavior: The Horror! (or maybe at HC in 1970 it was just Horror, but close enough).
Have absolutely no inside information, but one wonders if something happened behind the scenes in the last week that contributed to the team playing so poorly....even the staunchest supporters of the program have to be scratching their heads after such a performance by the offense.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 1, 2017 8:37:01 GMT -5
Is it possible that PP's injury from last season has lingered ? Hasn't the QB rollout option been used much less than when he was healthy ?
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Post by timholycross on Oct 1, 2017 9:05:17 GMT -5
...or he's not being protected well or the guys running the routes are messing up big time..who knows? Did you see the 3rd down play where he just spiked the ball; as whatever it was they were trying to do (screen pass perhaps) had absolutely no chance to work?
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Post by dadominate on Oct 1, 2017 9:20:23 GMT -5
i'm actually glad the pln video stream crapped out (again) as it sounds like yet another excruciatingly frustrating close loss.
gilmore's record in close games at this point might be even worse than fcmb's, which is always a disconcerting sign over a large enough sample. i thought he/we had turned the corner after the awesome unh win and that we were seeing the effect of equitable numbers of scholarship athletes at hc, but the close loss at dartmouth (understandable loss, albeit infuriating way to lose) and the close loss at home yesterday (simply no excuse... none) lead me to believe gilmore just cannot get it done in close game situations. he has the rest of a weak pl to save his job, but if we don't win the pl this year (5th year senior qb, experienced rb's, experienced o-line, many senior leaders on defense), i agree with some of the more vocal critics that it might be time for him to go. he probably won't need to win the league to keep his job, but that's what i personally expect as it has been 8 years since we last won the league, and if he can't do it this year, when will he?
i don't expect yearly dominance, but if we can't win the league at least once a decade or so, we may need a change in leadership.
p.s. - i admittedly didn't watch the game, but going for it on 4th down at our own 35 so late in the game in what appears to have been an offensive sputtering all game long is ridiculous. is there anyone at the game or those who watched the game that thinks this was the right call? if so, can you explain your rationale?
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Post by joe on Oct 1, 2017 10:04:12 GMT -5
Especially after we'd been consistently pinning punts inside their 5 with ease, and punting into the wind as well, which might have been advantageous in this setting. If I were a defensive player I'd be pissed off at the lack of faith in my play, for no real reason, at the end of a fairly well played defensive game. Another way of looking at it, I'd be pissed at the placement of faith in an offense, whose play was poor, for most of the game. For those tuning in online, the announcers were far too wrapped up in their own Leopard fandom to even notice this . . . for lack of a better term . . . "stubborn meathead" of play call enough long enough to give it it's due attention. This was when I made the decision to tune out of HC football indefinitely. I look forward to the upcoming fall Saturadays spent with family and friends, freed from the burden of the frustrating anguish of watching the crapshow for another minute. Sorry boys. Game and after game, year after year, now almost decade after decade.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 1, 2017 10:06:15 GMT -5
I don't remember such candid comments from Gilmore before, did some good things during the course of the game,” Gilmore said. “We just had some breakdowns. We weren’t able to pull away and I think Lafayette gained that confidence that they’ve been gaining the last four weeks and they were able to pull it out at the end.”
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 1, 2017 10:23:30 GMT -5
gilmore's record in close games at this point might be even worse than fcmb's, which is always a disconcerting sign over a large enough sample. Not a football fan particularly, but the topic of performance in close games always gets my attention. So I went back and looked at game scores for each season on the HC website. Gilmore's record in close games was good during the first seven years of his tenure - since then, it's been a different story. 2004-2010. Games decided by 3 pts or fewer: 7-7 Games decided by 4-7 points: 9-4 OT: 2-0 2011-2017. Games decided by 3 points or fewer: 5-15 Games decided by 4-7 points: 3-12 OT: 0-6
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Post by hchoops on Oct 1, 2017 10:49:08 GMT -5
I don't remember such candid comments from Gilmore before, did some good things during the course of the game,” Gilmore said. “We just had some breakdowns. We weren’t able to pull away and I think Lafayette gained that confidence that they’ve been gaining the last four weeks and they were able to pull it out at the end.” Candid ?? real honesty would have taken the blame himself for atrocious decisions at the end
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Post by hcpride on Oct 1, 2017 10:53:17 GMT -5
gilmore's record in close games at this point might be even worse than fcmb's, which is always a disconcerting sign over a large enough sample. Not a football fan particularly, but the topic of performance in close games always gets my attention. So I went back and looked at game scores for each season on the HC website. Gilmore's record in close games was good during the first seven years of his tenure - since then, it's been a different story. 2004-2010. Games decided by 3 pts or fewer: 7-7 Games decided by 4-7 points: 9-4 OT: 2-0 2011-2017. Games decided by 3 points or fewer: 5-15 Games decided by 4-7 points: 3-12 OT: 0-6 Interesting. That would suggest it may not be the coach necessarily (since the same guy performs so differently over the last 5-6 years) Coud it be that schollies have not worked to our benefit (relative to our opposition)? Or another non-Gilmore factor.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 1, 2017 11:01:53 GMT -5
Some Coaches peak, especially when Dom Randolph is the QB. You do not have to look at other factors when you have the last 7 years
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 1, 2017 11:32:00 GMT -5
This will be my one and only post for awhile as I have decided that I need to take my Lenten hiatus early (or late, depending on your point of view).
There is a lot of blame thrown at Coach Gilmore for the results yesterday and to a lesser extent the Dartmouth game. Again quoting Howard Cossell, "I never played the game" but many play calls in the last couple of games were dubious at best. Whether Coach Gilmore makes the calls personally or one of his assistants does, he's got ultimate responsibility and he would never deny that. You know, "you can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility."
But in the vein of "I have come to bury Cesar, not to praise him," this loss is not on Gilmore's shoulders alone. There is plenty of blame to go around. Tom Gilmore did not miss wide open receivers that would have been sure TDs. And when the passes were accurate, Tom Gilmore didn't drop the passes and I am positive that he didn't teach the players how to drop a pass that hits you in the hands. And I am also absolutely positive that when you have the opponent on two consecutive possessions starting a drive on their own 1 yard line that on one of those when it appeared that a safety was imminent that you don't give a roughing the passer penalty that gives them a first down and 15 yards and they get to punt out of jeopardy both times. How do you lose a game when you make 3 interceptions (against none of our own) and get 0 points so that the mistakes don't cost the opponent anything?
This is the same player personnel that played UConn pretty evenly and handily beat UNH. I don't know what the issue is (do we need to play in gray uniforms every game?) but the Crusaders seem to rise to the level of their better opponents or sink down to the opponent's level when they aren't good. We have not demonstrated a "killer instinct" putting the pedal to the metal in my memory. This should have been a 20+ point win.
It wasn't. I don't absolve Coach Gilmore or his assistants but neither do I exonerate the players. This one is on them too, especially our experienced players and 5th year seniors.
What you will now hear from me is the Sound of Silence.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 1, 2017 11:34:44 GMT -5
I don't remember such candid comments from Gilmore before, did some good things during the course of the game,” Gilmore said. “We just had some breakdowns. We weren’t able to pull away and I think Lafayette gained that confidence that they’ve been gaining the last four weeks and they were able to pull it out at the end.” Candid ?? real honesty would have taken the blame himself for atrocious decisions at the end Crap! Sorry hoops. I copied and pasted the wrong quote... "This one really hurts, for so many reasons,” Holy Cross coach Tom Gilmore said. “I decided to go for it on fourth-and-1 and you come up short and I feel very responsible. I made the call to go for it and we weren’t able to get it done.”
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Post by HC92 on Oct 1, 2017 11:39:56 GMT -5
Not a football fan particularly, but the topic of performance in close games always gets my attention. So I went back and looked at game scores for each season on the HC website. Gilmore's record in close games was good during the first seven years of his tenure - since then, it's been a different story. 2004-2010. Games decided by 3 pts or fewer: 7-7 Games decided by 4-7 points: 9-4 OT: 2-0 2011-2017. Games decided by 3 points or fewer: 5-15 Games decided by 4-7 points: 3-12 OT: 0-6 Interesting. That would suggest it may not be the coach necessarily (since the same guy performs so differently over the last 5-6 years) Coud it be that schollies have not worked to our benefit (relative to our opposition)? Or another non-Gilmore factor. Those of us who have watched us lose 28 of the 35 games decided by 7 points or less since 2011 know the reason. It has nothing to do with anything other than the decisions being made on the field at the end of the games whether those be related to clock management or play selection or deciding when to go for it. Those decisions have consistently been very poor.
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