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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 27, 2017 10:26:47 GMT -5
I looked at the majors for Santa Clara, class of 2016. 15 percent were engineering majors, 23 percent business and marketing, less than one percent computer sciences. Nearly 40 percent of the class had majors HC doesn't offer.
Villanova 11 percent engineering, 31 percent business and marketing. Biological, physical sciences and math majors were 9.5 percent of the graduates.
As might be expected, 29 percent of Lehigh graduates have an engineering degree. Unexpected, at least to me, was that business and marketing majors were 30 percent of the graduates.
Bucknell engineering graduates were 15%, business and marketing 13% . Lafayette 17.5 percent were engineering majors.
At HC and Colgate, math, bio, and the physical sciences are about 20 percent of the graduates. .At Bucknell, 13.5 percent. Lafayette about 15 percent.. Lehigh about 11 percent.
The hard sciences and math don;t appear to be the problem at either HC or Colgate, neither of which have engineering. Biology majors at HC are quite low compared to the other schools.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2017 10:39:20 GMT -5
Well, at least that explains why they changed their mascot. Pi$$ing off 71% of their grads who weren't "Engineers!"
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Post by hcpride on Oct 27, 2017 10:56:20 GMT -5
Wasn't the case during Phil Buroughs speech and panel discussion on Sunday. No social "agenda" and lots of discussion of our strengths in the sciences Yup, no agenda here www.holycross.edu/leadership/office-president/excerpt-presidents-fall-address-faculty-and-staff-2017In between the political sermons, be nice if he could spend just a bit more time explaining his plan to make HC MORE academically competitive and address the obvious slippage in our overall competitiveness. Can't find a single substantive explanation from him. It is a lot simpler to be another nice 'jock and social justice school' (by fielding a large number of teams and focusing on social issues) than to rebuild our academic reputation and restore our overall competitiveness. .
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Post by joutsHC77 on Oct 27, 2017 11:32:34 GMT -5
It is a lot simpler to be another nice 'jock and social justice school' (by fielding a large number of teams and focusing on social issues) than to rebuild our academic reputation and restore our overall competitiveness. . Right on point. HC has been overtaken by (insert your comment).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 5, 2017 17:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Nov 5, 2017 17:56:04 GMT -5
Smart move.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2017 20:59:54 GMT -5
Does it seem contradictory to say a school needs to lower the AI to get better athletes, but that we can get better athletes with an engineering program? I don't think that engineers are known as being "dumb jocks" are they?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2017 22:08:55 GMT -5
Lehigh? Just asking.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 6, 2017 6:52:45 GMT -5
Back in the day when HC required standardized tests for admission, HC ran a separate admissions track for pre meds. One needed higher standardized test scores to be admitted as a pre-med. _____________________ And back in the day, within the engineering community, this was the ranking of engineers by degree. 'Smartest' at the top.
Aeronautical Electrical Chemical Mechanical (bonus for fluid mechanics) Civil [gap] Sanitary
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Post by alum on Nov 6, 2017 8:29:20 GMT -5
Look at this. www.holycross.edu/about-holy-cross/points-of-prideWhile we obsess about athletic recruits here, we know that this is secondary to the results on the field, court, ice, pool, or track. Why is it that we the only way we keep score with regard to the academic status of the College is by way of admissions stats? I have expressed many times that I think that the College could do a better job with recruiting students. For instance, I am not convinced that they make sufficient use of mailers based upon PSAT scores. My kids have received mailers from schools with higher US News rankings and higher average standardized test scores (including Colgate and Davidson) before taking the SAT's so I know it was from the PSAT. They received a dozen post cards and letters from Fordham, Bucknell, and Colby and even mail from far away schools such as Carleton. I think that kind of marketing works because I think that if kids see Mount St. James, there is a good chance they will attend. (Compare our yield to that of many other schools.) In addition, like it or not, attracting applications from kids who will never attend drives down the acceptance rate and makes people (high school kids as well as the folks who post here) think that the College is better because of it. You have to play the game, as foolish as it seems. Let me ask a question: Should the College expand its offering to include engineering and business because that's what more kids and their parents seem to want today, or should it try to be the best liberal arts college it can be even if it means attracting a slightly less credentialed class? Oh, and by the way, Bowdoin is test optional and has been since 1969 and its acceptance rate is quite low. We ought to stop harping on that, or at least figure out how Bowdoin has dealt successfully with it.
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 6, 2017 9:59:00 GMT -5
I’d say stay Liberal Arts but
1. go back to a workable 3/2 program with WPI (not one with Columbia &/or Dartmouth)
2. create a pre-business concentration (like pre-med) where you take a couple of accounting classes, maybe an organizational behavior class from psychology/sociology, a writing intensive English class and a Stats class in math focused on business stats. So now you graduate as a XXXX major with a business concentration. Now if you do the NY semester and/or throw in a couple of the co-curricular classes/activities run thru the current pre-business program and you have a pretty attractive program for the kid who wants to have the credentials for a career in business.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 7, 2017 6:25:21 GMT -5
Certainly academic tweaks might make us more attractive to stronger academic kids. Have no idea how much additional interest would be generated by returning to a 5-year program w/WPI. (Especially given the alternative possibility of a 4-year program at WPI for those engineering types eyeballing Worcester.)
Was a bit surprising to see WPI at 79 and HC at 85 in the referenced WSJ ranking. I knew they were improving and growing since way back in the mid 80's and had seen the very high academic quality of kids heading there (in my personal sample size) but did not realize the gains they had made. In my small sample size I see the kind of talented student who would once head to RPI (following a rejection from MIT) now considering and very often attending WPI.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 7, 2017 9:05:28 GMT -5
Do any of the consortium have a strong biz/accounting curriculum?
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 7, 2017 10:37:10 GMT -5
Yes. Holy Cross has a strong accounting curriculum.
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Post by hc811215 on Nov 7, 2017 12:12:21 GMT -5
I looked at the majors for Santa Clara, class of 2016. 15 percent were engineering majors, 23 percent business and marketing, less than one percent computer sciences. Nearly 40 percent of the class had majors HC doesn't offer. Villanova 11 percent engineering, 31 percent business and marketing. Biological, physical sciences and math majors were 9.5 percent of the graduates. As might be expected, 29 percent of Lehigh graduates have an engineering degree. Unexpected, at least to me, was that business and marketing majors were 30 percent of the graduates. Bucknell engineering graduates were 15%, business and marketing 13% . Lafayette 17.5 percent were engineering majors. At HC and Colgate, math, bio, and the physical sciences are about 20 percent of the graduates. .At Bucknell, 13.5 percent. Lafayette about 15 percent.. Lehigh about 11 percent. The hard sciences and math don;t appear to be the problem at either HC or Colgate, neither of which have engineering. Biology majors at HC are quite low compared to the other schools. At President's Council breakfast Dean Freije reported that STEM majors now comprise 24% of student body, up from only 15% ten years ago. I do think the new science building went a long way in helping with that.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 7, 2017 12:47:07 GMT -5
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