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Post by ncaam on Oct 7, 2017 16:19:41 GMT -5
Gosh, I'm reading a couple of other posters and I just can't get excited that we still have a shot at winning the anemic Patriot League. The Patriot League? That passes for an accomplishment this year? Yes. That was the goal this year. That's the goal every year. Doesn't matter if HC is 11-0, 10-1, or 6-5. Success in the playoffs is gravy (at least until the program can win the PL consistently). [br Why play these games if they don’t matter?
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Post by hc87 on Oct 7, 2017 16:27:38 GMT -5
Not a slight at the PL (which I do think is our best fit for football) but just about every year, I look more forward to our OOC games in total than our PL game slate.
What games are more fun to watch/attend? Just this year: UConn, UNH, Dartmouth and Yale or Bucknell, Lafayette, Georgetown and Lehigh
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 7, 2017 16:27:47 GMT -5
These threads, like any, start to devolve after the obvious has been stated.
"Why play these games if they don't matter"
In the scheme of things, this is a game. They matter because they serve to help shape the lives of the student-athletes playing in them.
I think we're all frustrated at this point, but I'm still going to support the players on the field -- I would be happy for them if they're able to win the PLC and leave HC with that sense of accomplishment no matter how trivial it may be to anyone watching the game from the stands.
With all that being said, I do believe a coaching change is imminent, Regardless, I'll still be rooting for Holy Cross any Saturday they take the field.
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Post by realism on Oct 7, 2017 16:58:58 GMT -5
Not a slight at the PL (which I do think is our best fit for football) but just about every year, I look more forward to our OOC games in total than our PL game slate. What games are more fun to watch/attend? Just this year: UConn, UNH, Dartmouth and Yale or Bucknell, Lafayette, Georgetown and Lehigh And we all know the PL is enhanced dramatically academically and athletically by HC's presence. Your willingness to lose to PL teams along with the Ivies ( who consider you "peers" ) is gracious. And the PL is sympathetic to the fact that you look forward to losing to your o.o.c. foes more than losing to your PL bro. Given your current stature as an institution and all of your alternatives, this seems like a reasonable perversion, when nothing else seems to work. Everyone knows your problem HC87. Get real!
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Post by gks on Oct 7, 2017 17:18:10 GMT -5
Monmouth is a very good team. Just because their name is Monmouth people are reluctant to give them credit. I think at one point there were three freshman playing in the defensive secondary at once. DBs have been decimated by injury. The loss at Dartmouth killed this team's mojo. They look hesitant and tentative on offense. WRs have been .a giant disappointment last couple of weeks.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 7, 2017 17:21:27 GMT -5
As long as we stay in the PL we will never be a good team. The Ivy League will always out-recruit us, I hope the administration finally decides to get out of the PL, even Monmouth joined the Big South to be in a better league and they are beating the PL with better athletes than we will ever recruit in this lousy league.
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Post by beerseach on Oct 7, 2017 17:31:34 GMT -5
As long as we stay in the PL we will never be a good team. The Ivy League will always out-recruit us, I hope the administration finally decides to get out of the PL, even Monmouth joined the Big South to be in a better league and they are beating the PL with better athletes than we will ever recruit in this lousy league. I disagree 100%. This team was an 8-9 win team with average coaching, Patriot League or not....
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Post by gks on Oct 7, 2017 17:32:41 GMT -5
You can be in the Big 10...until HC wants to win (the entire campus community) it's status quo with the occasional big season.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 7, 2017 17:35:12 GMT -5
Monmouth is a very good team. Just because their name is Monmouth people are reluctant to give them credit. I think at one point there were three freshman playing in the defensive secondary at once. DBs have been decimated by injury. The loss at Dartmouth killed this team's mojo. They look hesitant and tentative on offense. WRs have been .a giant disappointment last couple of weeks. They (Monmouth) are 0-1 in the Big South. Not Top 25 FCS but on the edge of breaking in. Racking up 4 wins v Patriot League hasn't impressed the voters.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 7, 2017 17:42:38 GMT -5
As long as we stay in the PL we will never be a good team. The Ivy League will always out-recruit us, I hope the administration finally decides to get out of the PL, even Monmouth joined the Big South to be in a better league and they are beating the PL with better athletes than we will ever recruit in this lousy league. It is worse than that. NEC can beat us and non-scholarship Pioneer is stronger if the polls are to be believed. . Not even close to the better Ivies-- that ship has long sailed.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 7, 2017 18:04:41 GMT -5
It's very puzzling. On paper/in theory the PL (save for GTown) should be much better than it has shown now in Year 5 of scholarships (7 or so for Fordham) but it seems like every program has regressed to an extent.
Each program is a little different in this regard obviously (I think in toto Holy Cross has better overall talent than it did in say 2011 etc) but collectively we are all throwing up all ourselves OOC. I don't think the Ivies, CAA and NEC all got that much better in that time period but from a PL perspective it does look that way.
With scholarships I didn't expect a return to 1987 levels or going to Frisco every few years but I hoped (and still do) we would be at a level of a UNH or William&Mary some years... beating the NEC schools relatively easily, close/competitive games with good Ivy teams etc
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Post by hchoops on Oct 7, 2017 18:17:02 GMT -5
Attendance- 4484 As per ESPN I could not find it on gohc.com
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Post by hchoops on Oct 7, 2017 18:23:25 GMT -5
HC’s game notes say PP school game passing record- 509 yds.
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Post by realism on Oct 7, 2017 18:45:57 GMT -5
Each program is a little different in this regard obviously....... I'll grant you that this season has been the worst o.o.c. performance in aggregate by the PL that I've ever witnessed. However, it's difficult for me to infer, at this juncture, that this is more than a 1 year phenomena. Your statement " Each program is a little different in this regard obviously......." is spot on. Knowing the individual PL schools fb programs as I do, I think the trajectories into the future for the individual schools is remarkably different, even given the dismal aggregate o.o.c. performance. Each of the schools have much different historical performance samples pre and post schollies. And ( if you look below the surface ) each is in a different stage of transition . And some trajectories are difficult to account for at all. To me, your statements are more a reflection that you'd like to claim "misery loves company" ( Everybody's doing it ! ) as a defense for H.C.'s unknown trajectory into the future.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 7, 2017 19:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Oct 7, 2017 19:47:44 GMT -5
Attendance- 4484 As per ESPN I could not find it on gohc.com I don't think that is a LEGIT attendance number but whatever. Do you believe that there were fewer or more fans ?
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Post by HC92 on Oct 7, 2017 19:51:03 GMT -5
Are they serious?
Holy Cross Football @hcrossfb THE HAIL MARY WORKS AGAIN! Touchdown! On the last play of the game, Pujals connects with Bell for the second Hail Mary of the day! #SCtop10
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 7, 2017 20:13:51 GMT -5
I don't think that is a LEGIT attendance number but whatever. Do you believe that there were fewer or more fans ? Fewer...I would say 2,500 but I am terrible at estimating.
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Post by sader98 on Oct 7, 2017 20:39:59 GMT -5
Attendance is a lagging indicator. Winning = attendance.
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Post by sader98 on Oct 7, 2017 20:49:37 GMT -5
Attendance issues are the result of 20+ year mid level commitment to football. Just enough to not rock the boat too much. Playing to play instead of playing to win. The players on the field and people who care about this team/school deserve a better institutional commitment to winning.
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Post by gks on Oct 7, 2017 20:51:44 GMT -5
sader98 absolutely correct. Seems to be a problem throughout New England D1 schools (save for UNH).
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 7, 2017 21:06:44 GMT -5
Are they serious? Holy Cross Football @hcrossfb THE HAIL MARY WORKS AGAIN! Touchdown! On the last play of the game, Pujals connects with Bell for the second Hail Mary of the day! #SCtop10 Absolutely perfect. #WeWill (TG's biggest mistake was getting complacent at the QB position 4-5 years ago. Current guy just doesn't have "it")
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Post by hchoops on Oct 7, 2017 21:14:18 GMT -5
Are they serious? Holy Cross Football @hcrossfb THE HAIL MARY WORKS AGAIN! Touchdown! On the last play of the game, Pujals connects with Bell for the second Hail Mary of the day! #SCtop10 Absolutely perfect. #WeWill (TG's biggest mistake was getting complacent at the QB position 4-5 years ago. Current guy just doesn't have "it") And exactly whom should Gilmore have gone to that could have even come close to PP’ s performance ? PP has not been as good as previous seasons, but we have far more weaknesses than he. How many accurate passes have been dropped ? We really miss Jake and Brendan. The O line was better today, but not good in previous low scoring offensive games. Our pass D has been weak.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 7, 2017 21:22:30 GMT -5
Attendance is a lagging indicator. Winning = attendance. Nothing pisses an AD off more than dismal crowds and fan indifference in revenue sports.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 7, 2017 21:40:32 GMT -5
Attendance is a lagging indicator. Winning = attendance. Nothing pisses an AD off more than dismal crowds and fan indifference in revenue sports. He should have thought of this before signing Gilmore after 6 sub par seasons.
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