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Oct 14, 2017 16:47:52 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 14, 2017 16:47:52 GMT -5
For the "off with Gilmore's head" crowd, be careful what you wish for for with this AD. After all his mentor, Kevin Anderson, has completely botched the football programs at both Army and Maryland, including hiring Randy Edsall. So your logic is that because a former boss made bad football hires, that somehow will jnluence a bad decision by NP ? did you take a logic course at H.C ? ther have been some posters who want to keep Gilmore and give some reasonable support to their arguments. Yours Does not. My logic is that Pine had absolutely no track record of being associated with successful football programs. My logic is that if I had to pick between Pine or Gilmore to turn around the football program, I might lean towards Gilmore. But who knows, maybe I'm crazy for taking the former UPenn captain over the guy from Oregon State who may be more concerned with decorating his balcony in the Luth.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 16:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Oct 14, 2017 16:58:27 GMT -5
Wish I had the link to the interview with CTG in preseason when he said that "PP is the best QB that HC has had in DECADES, DECADES"!
TG is a good coach Obviously.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:04:02 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Oct 14, 2017 17:04:02 GMT -5
Just awful:
1st Half Stats: 1st Downs: HC 3, Y 13 Rush Yards: HC -3, Y 48 Pass Yards: HC 37, Y 217 Sacks: HC 0, Y 4
Possession Time......... 22:23 37:37 1st Quarter................. 5:40 9:20 2nd Quarter................. 6:38 8:22 3rd Quarter................. 7:22 7:38 4th Quarter................. 2:43 12:17
Thank goodness Yale bent over backwards to avoid scoring late in the 3rd and in the 4th quarter. I don't recall even one Yale pass (note their time of possession 4th quarter) in the 4th quarter.Could have easily been 45-0. When they went to their 4th (not a misprint) string quarterback and refrained from an easy field goal to run it out and turn it over on downs even the most rabid of HC fans had to be grateful for Yale's good sportsmanship.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:09:23 GMT -5
Post by jkh67 on Oct 14, 2017 17:09:23 GMT -5
For the "off with Gilmore's head" crowd, be careful what you wish for for with this AD. After all his mentor, Kevin Anderson, has completely botched the football programs at both Army and Maryland, including hiring Randy Edsall. It's hard to imagine that things could get much worse than they are right now. And, whatever the ultimate verdict may be on the Carmody hire, things are certainly better on the hardwood than they were under the Brown regime. It's long past time to place Gilmore in the tumbril for a trip to the guillotine. It should happen tonight, but it won't.
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Post by jkh67 on Oct 14, 2017 17:13:37 GMT -5
It's absurd that Gilmore has not given the young QBs quality playing time on the last two Saturdays. He must be trying to keep Pujols "warm" in the hope of a miracle run for the PL title that may save his job. Or maybe he knows the jig is up and doesn't give a rat's arse. He's certainly not thinking about next year.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:16:48 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Oct 14, 2017 17:16:48 GMT -5
So your logic is that because a former boss made bad football hires, that somehow will jnluence a bad decision by NP ? did you take a logic course at H.C ? ther have been some posters who want to keep Gilmore and give some reasonable support to their arguments. Yours Does not. My logic is that Pine had absolutely no track record of being associated with successful football programs. My logic is that if I had to pick between Pine or Gilmore to turn around the football program, I might lean towards Gilmore. But who knows, maybe I'm crazy for taking the former UPenn captain over the guy from Oregon State who may be more concerned with decorating his balcony in the Luth. So now you are comparing a football coach and an AD. I thought these were different job descriptions. Hasn’t Gilmore had his chance to turn around the Football program ? If TG is a good coach, what responsibility does he have for the team’s performance the last 7 years ?
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:23:15 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Oct 14, 2017 17:23:15 GMT -5
He is not a good head coach and this has been proven ovah and ovah again....what he is, is probably a very good position coach or coordinator with an Ivy background that knows how to play the political game of not being fired. The fact that this is his 14th year as head coach at Holy Cross speaks volumes to both his astuteness as a political animal and the apathy that we have had as an institution toward football in the 21st century mostly.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 14, 2017 17:31:49 GMT -5
Just awful: 1st Half Stats: 1st Downs: HC 3, Y 13 Rush Yards: HC -3, Y 48 Pass Yards: HC 37, Y 217 Sacks: HC 0, Y 4Possession Time......... 22:23 37:37 1st Quarter................. 5:40 9:20 2nd Quarter................. 6:38 8:22 3rd Quarter................. 7:22 7:38 4th Quarter................. 2:43 12:17Thank goodness Yale bent over backwards to avoid scoring late in the 3rd and in the 4th quarter. I don't recall even one Yale pass (note their time of possession 4th quarter) in the 4th quarter.Could have easily been 45-0. When they went to their 4th (not a misprint) string quarterback and refrained from an easy field goal to run it out and turn it over on downs even the most rabid of HC fans had to be grateful for Yale's good sportsmanship. The Yale head coach is from Oxford Ma. Maybe he was just as squeamish about watching the train wreck as we all were.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:39:41 GMT -5
Post by beerseach on Oct 14, 2017 17:39:41 GMT -5
It's absurd that Gilmore has not given the young QBs quality playing time on the last two Saturdays. He must be trying to keep Pujols "warm" in the hope of a miracle run for the PL title that may save his job. Or maybe he knows the jig is up and doesn't give a rat's arse. He's certainly not thinking about next year. If you saw the apology letter after last season it was quite apparent that the whole Holy Cross football program was squarely placed on Peter Pujal's shoulders. Which was COMPLETELY unfair to the Holy Cross community and to Peter himself.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:41:35 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 14, 2017 17:41:35 GMT -5
IH, I agree he is very likely a better coordinator than a HC. He wouldn't last an hour coaching for Amanda B.'s father, because of how he mucks up situational football. Dollars to donuts they went to New Haven with the 600+ yards they put up on Monmouth dancing in their heads, and didn't change a thing.
The Yale coaches figured out how to get PP off his stride and out of rhythm from the get-go, and HC has always adjusted poorly when that happens. Lafayette did the same --- PP was consistently too high with his passes against Lafayette.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:44:32 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 14, 2017 17:44:32 GMT -5
For the "off with Gilmore's head" crowd, be careful what you wish for for with this AD. After all his mentor, Kevin Anderson, has completely botched the football programs at both Army and Maryland, including hiring Randy Edsall. It's hard to imagine that things could get much worse than they are right now. And, whatever the ultimate verdict may be on the Carmody hire, things are certainly better on the hardwood than they were under the Brown regime. It's long past time to place Gilmore in the tumbril for a trip to the guillotine. It should happen tonight, but it won't. IT would have been borderline impossible to hire a worse basketball coach than Milan Brown. The same cannot be said about Tom Gilmore. How's Fordham doing right now? Maybe FordhamF9 can shed some light on how "easy" it was to replace Morehead (in a much better situation than HC is in right now).
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Oct 14, 2017 17:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 14, 2017 17:48:18 GMT -5
My logic is that Pine had absolutely no track record of being associated with successful football programs. My logic is that if I had to pick between Pine or Gilmore to turn around the football program, I might lean towards Gilmore. But who knows, maybe I'm crazy for taking the former UPenn captain over the guy from Oregon State who may be more concerned with decorating his balcony in the Luth. So now you are comparing a football coach and an AD. I thought these were different job descriptions. Hasn’t Gilmore had his chance to turn around the Football program ? If TG is a good coach, what responsibility does he have for the team’s performance the last 7 years ? Nope. Different jobs, but each would be responsible with turning around the football program in different ways. Unless he were to form a committee with people who actually know Football, I see absolutely no reason to trust that Pine would be the one to make the decisions that would turn the program around.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 17:50:00 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Oct 14, 2017 17:50:00 GMT -5
There is never a 100% chance of a good hire, but you cannot logically claim that he should be retained because we might make a bad hire. Before you knock the Fordham coach, maybe you should wait until 11/3 in the Bronx.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:53:25 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Oct 14, 2017 17:53:25 GMT -5
It's not rocket science, there are no guarantees of success in this life but hiring a guy like Lee Hull or Bill McGovern or someone of that ilk (not necessarily a formah HC guy) changes the atmosphere of this dismal regime on day one.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 18:03:33 GMT -5
Post by jkh67 on Oct 14, 2017 18:03:33 GMT -5
It's hard to imagine that things could get much worse than they are right now. And, whatever the ultimate verdict may be on the Carmody hire, things are certainly better on the hardwood than they were under the Brown regime. It's long past time to place Gilmore in the tumbril for a trip to the guillotine. It should happen tonight, but it won't. IT would have been borderline impossible to hire a worse basketball coach than Milan Brown. The same cannot be said about Tom Gilmore. How's Fordham doing right now? Maybe FordhamF9 can shed some light on how "easy" it was to replace Morehead (in a much better situation than HC is in right now). I take it that you support retaining Gilmore despite his generally mediocre (at best) record over the last 14 years out of fear that a new coach might be even worse. Lord help us all!
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 18:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Oct 14, 2017 18:09:45 GMT -5
The best case scenario, as unlikely as it may be, is that we go 4-4 to close the season, end up at 6-5, miraculously win the PL, go to the FCS playoffs, and get thumped in round 1. Even in this statastically unlikely scenario, would that be good enough to maintain the current staff? If not, it might make sense for NP to make a move now and start looking toward the future. We play BC in 11 months, at BC. From there the schedule starts getting even more crazy.
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Oct 14, 2017 18:17:35 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 14, 2017 18:17:35 GMT -5
Barring Tom Gilmore commuting a crime, he is not getting fired mid season. Let's be smart here. This is not the NFL. Hell, most FBS coaches don't get fired mid season. A Pateiot League coach isn't being relieved of his duties during the course of a season. Just not happening, so let's put that to bed.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 18:21:16 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Oct 14, 2017 18:21:16 GMT -5
Agreed....but if he is retained after this season, there is something seriously amiss on Mt St James vis a vis football.
Long story short...it's just time for a change.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 18:27:40 GMT -5
Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 14, 2017 18:27:40 GMT -5
Yeah 87 - we know.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 18:27:52 GMT -5
Post by 6sader7 on Oct 14, 2017 18:27:52 GMT -5
Wow - This is bad...
I hate being pessimistic, and I support our program regardless, but to start off the way we did and then take a 32-0 loss to Yale is unacceptable.
Hard to bounce back from these losses...
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 18:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Oct 14, 2017 18:34:09 GMT -5
Would enjoy reading the posts about the HC position back when CTG was extended.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 14, 2017 18:47:25 GMT -5
So your logic is that because a former boss made bad football hires, that somehow will jnluence a bad decision by NP ? did you take a logic course at H.C ? ther have been some posters who want to keep Gilmore and give some reasonable support to their arguments. Yours Does not. My logic is that Pine had absolutely no track record of being associated with successful football programs. My logic is that if I had to pick between Pine or Gilmore to turn around the football program, I might lean towards Gilmore. But who knows, maybe I'm crazy for taking the former UPenn captain over the guy from Oregon State who may be more concerned with decorating his balcony in the Luth. Statements like this are not really good credibility builders for you or your case against ADNP. They make you look like you're not really objective.....
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 19:20:21 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Oct 14, 2017 19:20:21 GMT -5
It may be that some fans don't really care what happens in our out of conference games and will support the coach as long as we are competitive in the Patriot League. That group of fans is probably satisfied/pleased that right now we are 1-1 in the Patriot League (the loss being a competitive loss) with a shot at the coveted PL championship and probably mystified about any suggestion TG should be let go.
(I found todays game to have a captivating effect not unlike a slow-motion train wreck. Having never seen an FCS team gain a total of 34 (-3 rushing + 37 yards passing) yards in an entire half before, it was interesting. Kind of unprecedented that our opponent had many more sacks (4) than we had rushing yards (-3) in the first half. Any chance we can get BC off our schedule next year and fire the person who thought it was a good idea?
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 19:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by sader98 on Oct 14, 2017 19:37:47 GMT -5
Regarding point 4...
The team that played against Uconn and UNH would deliver a fun game regardless of the outcome. The team from the past few games would be miserable to watch.
The fact that it is the same group of guys and there is that much variance is on the coaching staff and proof positive that it is time for a change.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 19:43:59 GMT -5
Post by jkh67 on Oct 14, 2017 19:43:59 GMT -5
Would enjoy reading the posts about the HC position back when CTG was extended. I can't speak for the brethren, but I was totally opposed to extending Gilmore's contract and sent a letter to that effect via US Mail to Pine, Boroughs (sp?), and the then Chairman of the Board of Trustees. I got no response from any of them. Ditto with respect to the letter I sent to the same worthies after the demolition job against Fordham at Yankee Stadium last November, saying it was long since time to remove Gilmore. My mother would have said that their failure to respond was rude. And rude it was...and is. I don't know whether anyone can salvage HC football at this point. Joining the non-scholarship PL started the death spiral...for basketball, too (ultimately)...for a very small college's once proud sports programs. It turns out that Fr. Brooks...an ardent Crusader himself ( I sat next to him in a deluge at Lafayette's Fisher Field one day, so I know)...was totally wrong about the impact of the PL on HC athletics. I don't get the sense that current students or more recent alumni really care about HC athletics. Unlike folks on this board like me. Maybe it's time for all of us to accept reality and move on to other, more rewarding pursuits.
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