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Oct 14, 2017 19:46:16 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 14, 2017 19:46:16 GMT -5
to add to today's misery, bc beat Louisville here in The Ville
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Post by ncaam on Oct 14, 2017 20:04:15 GMT -5
The condition of our overall athletics programs AND the demise of the Crusader could bring the perfect storm for me by next spring. Not making any reservations for the baseball games in the Carolinas this spring.
Has Nate really built plush digs for himself at the Luth?
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Oct 14, 2017 20:08:54 GMT -5
Post by jkh67 on Oct 14, 2017 20:08:54 GMT -5
It may be that some fans don't really care what happens in our out of conference games and will support the coach as long as we are competitive in the Patriot League. That group of fans is probably satisfied/pleased that right now we are 1-1 in the Patriot League (the loss being a competitive loss) with a shot at the coveted PL championship and probably mystified about any suggestion TG should be let go. (I found todays game to have a captivating effect not unlike a slow-motion train wreck. Having never seen an FCS team gain a total of 34 (-3 rushing + 37 yards passing) yards in an entire half before, it was interesting. Kind of unprecedented that our opponent had many more sacks (4) than we had rushing yards (-3) in the first half. Any chance we can get BC off our schedule next year and fire the person who thought it was a good idea? Pyle's done some good things. But he was slow to get rid of Brown in basketball (perhaps because of financial considerations) and dropped the ball entirely when he gave Gilmore a contract extension. Not to mention the insanity of scheduling BC, Syracuse and Navy in football. Hold on to your hats, folks. Those games are going to be ugly with a capital "U". How you could arrange a schedule like that and keep a mediocrity like Gilmore as head football coach at the same time is beyond my ability to comprehend. But here we are. When I was a on the Hill (1963-1967), we played Syracuse and BC every year, Penn State my freshman year, and Army my senior year. We were still a significant factor in north-eastern football in those years, going 2-2 against BC (including a 10-8 loss that could easily have been a W), losing 28-14 to Penn State and 14-10 to Army. Not to mention a 7-6 win over then reigning Eastern champion Dartmouth. No more. No more. Let's face it. The PL is awful and highly unlikely to get much better anytime soon. Winning that title means absolutely nothing in the great scheme of things, even were we so fortunate as to do so. I say we either jettison the PL in football and try to get into the CAA or give up the program and convert Fitton into an extension of the Freshman Field.
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Oct 14, 2017 20:17:56 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Oct 14, 2017 20:17:56 GMT -5
UNH just fell to Stony Brook 38-24 as they were smacked around unmercifully in the second half.
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Oct 14, 2017 20:32:50 GMT -5
Post by ts1970 on Oct 14, 2017 20:32:50 GMT -5
Didn’t Yale beat BC in football a few years ago?
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Oct 14, 2017 20:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Oct 14, 2017 20:34:07 GMT -5
Pine got a lot pressure to extend Gilmore, who has a very deep and loyal base in the HC football community. Problem is, as has happened with many organizations, excessive loyalty can blind and thwart much needed change.
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Oct 14, 2017 20:36:50 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Oct 14, 2017 20:36:50 GMT -5
Didn’t Yale beat BC in football a few years ago? No...they did beat Army a couple seasons back at the Yale Bowl (celebrating the Bowl's 100th Anniversary) They played BC a couple times in the 80s...losing big I believe.
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Oct 14, 2017 20:47:22 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Oct 14, 2017 20:47:22 GMT -5
Didn’t Yale beat BC in football a few years ago? If you mean BU and you mean many years ago - the answer is yes.
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Oct 14, 2017 20:51:38 GMT -5
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Post by billy72 on Oct 14, 2017 20:51:38 GMT -5
Total disgrace today. Does the current coaching staff know how to motivate the players ? Or has the towel been thrown in for the year ? What is the point in attending any of the games with the current results ?
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Oct 14, 2017 20:56:11 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 14, 2017 20:56:11 GMT -5
My logic is that Pine had absolutely no track record of being associated with successful football programs. My logic is that if I had to pick between Pine or Gilmore to turn around the football program, I might lean towards Gilmore. But who knows, maybe I'm crazy for taking the former UPenn captain over the guy from Oregon State who may be more concerned with decorating his balcony in the Luth. Statements like this are not really good credibility builders for you or your case against ADNP. They make you look like you're not really objective..... ...........sure, sure, and love to hear why you think "ADNP" has any credibility, Of course, other than being the 3rd Vice President Assistant to the FCS Regional Manager and turning around all of the other sports programs at HC.
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Oct 14, 2017 21:00:19 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 14, 2017 21:00:19 GMT -5
There you go again
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Post by hc87 on Oct 14, 2017 21:12:06 GMT -5
Not to pile on but Pine has been largely "untouched" here and maybe he should be. Extending Gilmore was obviously a mistake of the highest order, particularly with the $$$/emphasis put into the football program. I really couldn't care less but our "minor/athletic sports" are mostly all PL cellar dwellars still. The hockey program is still in the nether world of AHL league affiliation with no concrete Hockey East offer etc etc
I don't think he's a problem in the vein that Gilmore still coaching football at HC is....but he hasn't changed athletics at HC as much as many would have you believe imo.
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Yale
Oct 14, 2017 21:20:17 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Oct 14, 2017 21:20:17 GMT -5
Statements like this are not really good credibility builders for you or your case against ADNP. They make you look like you're not really objective..... ...........sure, sure, and love to hear why you think "ADNP" has any credibility, Of course, other than being the 3rd Vice President Assistant to the FCS Regional Manager and turning around all of the other sports programs at HC. What did you think of your nemesis Pine extending your buddy Gilmore ?
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Oct 14, 2017 21:43:33 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Oct 14, 2017 21:43:33 GMT -5
Physically dominated today. It's been a while since I've seen an HC team get pushed around like that. "Loved" how the D packed it in after McBeath got tossed. Took Yale 2 plays to get in the end zone. Real gutty effort.
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Oct 14, 2017 21:54:02 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Oct 14, 2017 21:54:02 GMT -5
Can anyone come up with a logical explanation as to what happened to HC's offensive line after the first 3 games? IMHO it's the biggest weakness on the club...no pass protection, no running game, no possibility of long possessions.
Injuries maybe?
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Post by realism on Oct 14, 2017 21:56:58 GMT -5
I don't think he's a problem in the vein that Gilmore still coaching football at HC is....but he hasn't changed athletics at HC as much as many would have you believe imo. I think you're largely correct about ADNP hc87. I don't think there's the risk of him being snatched away by another school because he's the "H.C. wunderkind A.D." who turned athletic prtfotmance around at H.C.. Posters had initially ascribed a lot of skills to ADNP, that was really wishful thinking, when he was first hired. He may be a good infrastructure/digital media/fundraising upgrade guy for another primitive college athletic program like H.C.. But. he has no special insight into coaching/coach selection/recruiting. And, unfortunately for H.C., he may be "glass-celinged" at H.C. for a lot longer than originally thought--- defying the kool aid drinking poster's fantasies during the "honeymoon." No athletic performance wunderkind here. I'm not sure he has out performed what any schmuck might have accomplished "kicking out the coaching dead wood." Perhaps a decent lifetime non-performance improvement administrator who's equipped with better training than Regan.
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Oct 14, 2017 22:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 14, 2017 22:01:23 GMT -5
It may be that some fans don't really care what happens in our out of conference games and will support the coach as long as we are competitive in the Patriot League. That group of fans is probably satisfied/pleased that right now we are 1-1 in the Patriot League (the loss being a competitive loss) with a shot at the coveted PL championship and probably mystified about any suggestion TG should be let go. (I found todays game to have a captivating effect not unlike a slow-motion train wreck. Having never seen an FCS team gain a total of 34 (-3 rushing + 37 yards passing) yards in an entire half before, it was interesting. Kind of unprecedented that our opponent had many more sacks (4) than we had rushing yards (-3) in the first half. Any chance we can get BC off our schedule next year and fire the person who thought it was a good idea? Pyle's done some good things. But he was slow to get rid of Brown in basketball (perhaps because of financial considerations) and dropped the ball entirely when he gave Gilmore a contract extension. Not to mention the insanity of scheduling BC, Syracuse and Navy in football. Hold on to your hats, folks. Those games are going to be ugly with a capital "U". How you could arrange a schedule like that and keep a mediocrity like Gilmore as head football coach at the same time is beyond my ability to comprehend. But here we are. When I was a on the Hill (1963-1967), we played Syracuse and BC every year, Penn State my freshman year, and Army my senior year. We were still a significant factor in north-eastern football in those years, going 2-2 against BC (including a 10-8 loss that could easily have been a W), losing 28-14 to Penn State and 14-10 to Army. Not to mention a 7-6 win over then reigning Eastern champion Dartmouth. No more. No more. Let's face it. The PL is awful and highly unlikely to get much better anytime soon. Winning that title means absolutely nothing in the great scheme of things, even were we so fortunate as to do so. I say we either jettison the PL in football and try to get into the CAA or give up the program and convert Fitton into an extension of the Freshman Field. Things are a bit different than early sixties. How many kids on the team fr outside the region. Same for the opponents; how much diversity on the roster. How many scholarships per team? If Penn State or Syracuse had 50 scholarships and now have 85, that is obv less available kids for HC and other schools. HS football in New England is generally terrible. That hurts HC. While there are some great players, in the 60's they would not have been recruitied nationally (generally). Regional players generally stayed in their regions. Kids and families were more catholic back then. Now, that is less of a emphasis for many. All these things make comparing FB program in the sixties to now useless.
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Oct 14, 2017 22:03:21 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Oct 14, 2017 22:03:21 GMT -5
Ronnie Perry Jr AD.....Lee Hull head football coach.....boom.....how is this that complicated? The 800 pound gorilla in the room is our league affiliation with the Patriot League. It's basically gutted both our basketball and football programs and probably won't change anytime soon. ETA: Massachusetts hs football is not awful.....just sayin'
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Oct 14, 2017 22:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 14, 2017 22:06:43 GMT -5
Can anyone come up with a logical explanation as to what happened to HC's offensive line after the first 3 games? IMHO it's the biggest weakness on the club...no pass protection, no running game, no possibility of long possessions. Injuries maybe? Agree. This is probably largest issue. We know DB's are banged up. OL had a very rough day today. Pretty much dominated all day. That won't work against Colgate. They are solid on D. Heck, if we play like we did today, we won't beat GT. Fordham is looking very bad this year. If we don't get healthy in DB land, Lehigh will throw for 400.
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Oct 15, 2017 0:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 15, 2017 0:36:10 GMT -5
I don't think he's a problem in the vein that Gilmore still coaching football at HC is....but he hasn't changed athletics at HC as much as many would have you believe imo. I think you're largely correct about ADNP hc87. I don't think there's the risk of him being snatched away by another school because he's the "H.C. wunderkind A.D." who turned athletic prtfotmance around at H.C.. Posters had initially ascribed a lot of skills to ADNP, that was really wishful thinking, when he was first hired. He may be a good infrastructure/digital media/fundraising upgrade guy for another primitive college athletic program like H.C.. But. he has no special insight into coaching/coach selection/recruiting. And, unfortunately for H.C., he may be "glass-celinged" at H.C. for a lot longer than originally thought--- defying the kool aid drinking poster's fantasies during the "honeymoon." No athletic performance wunderkind here. I'm not sure he has out performed what any schmuck might have accomplished "kicking out the coaching dead wood." Perhaps a decent lifetime non-performance improvement administrator who's equipped with better training than Regan. Great post, but surely you must have an "agenda" if you don't think that ADNP will solve all of our issues from his balcony on high in the Luth. But who knows, maybe it's all just the Railers' owner's fault.
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Oct 15, 2017 0:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 15, 2017 0:44:23 GMT -5
Not to pile on but Pine has been largely "untouched" here and maybe he should be. Extending Gilmore was obviously a mistake of the highest order, particularly with the $$$/emphasis put into the football program. I really couldn't care less but our "minor/athletic sports" are mostly all PL cellar dwellars still. The hockey program is still in the nether world of AHL league affiliation with no concrete Hockey East offer etc etc I don't think he's a problem in the vein that Gilmore still coaching football at HC is....but he hasn't changed athletics at HC as much as many would have you believe imo. Amen. And who knows if/when we will see the true budget numbers (likely from the digging of the much maligned 'Phreek), but I would venture to guess that we are spending significantly more money than we did five years ago for extremely similar results, but much "cooler" signs around the stadium and posts on social media!
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 15, 2017 5:54:14 GMT -5
Can we please get rid of the grey uniforms? The pants yesterday looked horrible! Cut down on the marketing BS (it's not working) and fire RSIG. Start reallocating that money to recruiting and higher coaches salaries to attract better talent. Please no more smoke and mirrors! Also is ADNP building some sort of palace for himself at the Luth?
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Oct 15, 2017 6:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Oct 15, 2017 6:08:24 GMT -5
I’ve either played in or watched/listened/attended the vast majority of HC games since 1993, and have supported the program in many other ways since then. I ask at what point does the line blur between being an ardent supporter and a blind sucker? Unfortunately I have chosen not to watch anymore games this year, a reasonable position, with cardiac and familial benefits, and one I’m sure the vast majority of fans took up decades ago. The best thing folks could do is boycott the program and suspend financial support. When HC again takes the program seriously so will I. I’m tired of hearing about this Luth place. This only exists because of a generous donor who had grown frustrated and stepped up to the plate. And I hate to say it but after 97 million it’s still not a complete job. Show me the emphasis on football, and you better show me quick. Me, the fans, and especially the Luth family deserve better. Most of all, the players on the team, who only get one shot at college football, deserve better.
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Oct 15, 2017 6:41:39 GMT -5
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 15, 2017 6:41:39 GMT -5
I’ve either played in or watched/listened/attended the vast majority of HC games since 1993, and have supported the program in many other ways since then. I ask at what point does the line blur between being an ardent supporter and a blind sucker? Unfortunately I have chosen not to watch anymore games this year, a reasonable position, with cardiac and familial benefits, and one I’m sure the vast majority of fans took up decades ago. The best thing folks could do is boycott the program and suspend financial support. When HC again takes the program seriously so will I. I’m tired of hearing about this Luth place. This only exists because of a generous donor who had grown frustrated and stepped up to the plate. And I hate to say it but after 97 million it’s still not a complete job. Show me the emphasis on football, and you better show me quick. Me, the fans, and especially the Luth family deserve better. Most of all, the players on the team, who only get one shot at college football, deserve better. Totally agree. The Luth center really dropped the ball with no indoor track, hockey arena and even basketball IMO.
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Oct 15, 2017 7:06:51 GMT -5
Post by bigfan on Oct 15, 2017 7:06:51 GMT -5
I believe that the previous AD scheduled BC before he was let go. Not sure about UConn or Syracuse, Pine I believe scheduled Navy.
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