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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2017 9:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Oct 27, 2017 9:17:35 GMT -5
comments about underestimating PB are interesting...word from a very knowledgeable source, not on the staff, is that PB has worked hard on the 3 over the summer. Who's underestimating Benzan? It seems to me that consensus on this board is that he, Charles, and Floyd will be the cornerstones of this year's squad Maybe we're underestimating because he's going to be more awesome than we could have hoped for
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 27, 2017 9:22:28 GMT -5
Tom, I think CWC might have said that he had underestimated Benzan. Not anyone on this board. But now his (CWC) expectations are higher because of what he has proven he can do.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 27, 2017 9:24:37 GMT -5
we may play 2 smaller guards together at times, but I doubt it will resemble last season.. Cg will get time, with PB and time backing him up. the freshmen will get the bigs'(4-5) minutes with JF
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 27, 2017 9:25:43 GMT -5
comments about underestimating PB are interesting...word from a very knowledgeable source, not on the staff, is that PB has worked hard on the 3 over the summer. Who's underestimating Benzan? It seems to me that consensus on this board is that he, Charles, and Floyd will be the cornerstones of this year's squad From CBC's radio comment as reported above...ignored PB as a frosh...PB earned his minutes....expecting PB to do well several posters considered getting a top PG among, if not the top, among the program's highest priorities last year; after the commitment of CG and the play of PB, not so much despite that he may be the most ready to play of the frosh.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 27, 2017 9:41:17 GMT -5
we may play 2 smaller guards together at times, but I doubt it will resemble last season.. Cg will get time, with PB and time backing him up. Agreed - as discussed elsewhere, believe this situation is very similar to the one created when Jave Meade came in and Ryan Serravalle was the point guard in place - and I think it will work out well now, as it did then. Just a minor note . . . despite the suggestion by the usual suspect (with his usual agenda), Benzan and Green are not 5-10 and 5-9. Listed as 5-11 and 5-10, respectively, and having observed both first-hand, that may be short-changing CG by an inch. Most definitely NOT the size problem we dealt with chronically last year - that said, don't believe either PB or CG is big enough to effectively run the baseline in the 1-3-1. Interesting to see who that will be.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 27, 2017 9:46:59 GMT -5
I doubt we will be in 131 when both are on the floor... we have several 6'4+ options, a la EG 2 yrs ago, to run the baseline in this group
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Post by dadominate on Oct 27, 2017 10:11:49 GMT -5
I agree based on what I’ve seen too. Neither as fast as AT so handle will be tested. the good news is that we're talking about a basketball team here, not a track and field squad. pb was perfectly capable of running the point last year and there is no reason to think that another year of experience for him and the addition of another fine point guard in cg would mean that our "handle will be tested". this doesn't make any sense. carmody's humility is refreshing in that he admits he overlooked pb at times. pb's play by literally any statistical measure and "eye test" of leadership warranted more minutes as the lead point guard last year (my biggest criticism of carmody's leadership), and i feel very confident in his ability to lead the team this year. in fact, with the addition of cg (who along with ab, are my co-"most anticipated freshmen"), i am as confident in our point guard play this year as i have been since pat doherty was running the point. ziggy, while wildly inconsistent and invisible at times, has the tools and i look forward to seeing if and how he has developed. we should have a nice backcourt. kc is the man and i expect a very big season from him (15 ppg or so), perhaps a 2nd team all pl type of season this year setting the stage for pl player of the year in 2018-2019 the big question this year, in my view, is the bigs. if floyd can stay out of foul trouble (the biggest x factor on the entire team) and if faw or niego can contribute out of the gate, we will be better than anticipated.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 27, 2017 10:47:19 GMT -5
I agree based on what I’ve seen too. Neither as fast as AT so handle will be tested. the good news is that we're talking about a basketball team here, not a track and field squad. pb was perfectly capable of running the point last year and there is no reason to think that another year of experience for him and the addition of another fine point guard in cg would mean that our "handle will be tested". this doesn't make any sense. carmody's humility is refreshing in that he admits he overlooked pb at times. pb's play by literally any statistical measure and "eye test" of leadership warranted more minutes as the lead point guard last year (my biggest criticism of carmody's leadership), and i feel very confident in his ability to lead the team this year. in fact, with the addition of cg (who along with ab, are my co-"most anticipated freshmen"), i am as confident in our point guard play this year as i have been since pat doherty was running the point. ziggy, while wildly inconsistent and invisible at times, has the tools and i look forward to seeing if and how he has developed. we should have a nice backcourt. kc is the man and i expect a very big season from him (15 ppg or so), perhaps a 2nd team all pl type of season this year setting the stage for pl player of the year in 2018-2019 the big question this year, in my view, is the bigs. if floyd can stay out of foul trouble (the biggest x factor on the entire team) and if faw or niego can contribute out of the gate, we will be better than anticipated. do not forget Grandy, who may be ahead of Faw and Niego
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Post by ncaam on Oct 27, 2017 11:22:10 GMT -5
Niego is a project much like Stevens imho. Grandison may be the big surprise. PB worked on the 3? He will need it to replace AT as the late clock shooter. In my handle comment I am thinking vs full court pressure, not dribbling outside the arc.
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Post by lou on Oct 27, 2017 11:29:20 GMT -5
Niego is a project much like Stevens imho. Maybe, of course at this point we don't know. But I thought he showed some swagger in the few minutes we got to watch back at UNH weekend, I liked it
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Post by dadominate on Oct 27, 2017 14:07:01 GMT -5
PB worked on the 3? He will need it to replace AT as the late clock shooter. In my handle comment I am thinking vs full court pressure, not dribbling outside the arc. once again, these claims are completely baseless. 1.) given the nature of the motion and positional rotation in the princeton offense, it is a fallacy that at was "the late clock shooter". while possessions resulting in a rushed shot at the end of the shot clock were more common than any of us would have liked to have seen, these rushed shots were fairly equally spread out among players on the floor (ma, rc, pb, even mh). this was analyzed by a few posters in several games in response to your bullheaded position that you posted (ad nauseum) to justify at's poor shooting percentage and to disparage carmody's offense. most of us were more upset with at's 3 pt shots EARLY in the shot clock that occurred far too often. all of us want to see fewer rushed shots and none of us expect them to fall squarely on pb because they've never fallen squarely on one player. 2.) more importantly for this season, which is the focus of this thread, there are no data of any sort to suggest that pb could not handle full court pressure last year or any reason to expect he will not be able to handle it this year. first of all, we did not face full court pressure all that often. other than rehashing your tired agenda, there is no basis to believe that pb could not or cannot handle full court pressure. the addition of another talented point guard in cg, who by all accounts is a floor general with great court awareness, will only help. it is another total fallacy to believe that at was a savior against the press (see the disaster of the monmouth loss) and that pb was incapable. this is simply not true in any way whatsoever. there are many legitimate concerns for this year, but 1.) losing at's shooting and 2.) this ill-informed belief you keep forcing on us that we are now going to be so vulnerable against the press would not be anywhere near the top of any objective observer's list.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 27, 2017 14:15:42 GMT -5
Niego is a project much like Stevens imho. Grandison may be the big surprise. PB worked on the 3? He will need it to replace AT as the late clock shooter. In my handle comment I am thinking vs full court pressure, not dribbling outside the arc. They maybe projects but start from different points; JS plenty of size; foot speed & shooting motion?? CN tall & skinny, good shooting motion & foot speed. Can they be effective rebounders in our scheme? Agree on Grandy. AT seemed to end up a lot with the ball late in shot clock, not sure why. Unless our opponent is trying to come from behind late I think full court pressure against us is designed to use up shot clock, not turn us over. The handle at the 2 may be more important than at the PG.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 27, 2017 14:19:57 GMT -5
We know that Coach Carmody's offense operates differently from other offenses, e.g. you don't see a point guard dominating the team's assists stats. KC was, by far, the leader in assists with 117. Comparing PB with AT we see that PB last year had 78 assists to 42 turnovers. AT's numbers were 70 & 45.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 27, 2017 14:54:54 GMT -5
From your lips to God's ear. I love PB. Hardest worker on the team, excellent student, nice young man. Should be team captain. I do worry about ball pressure. But that's my nature, I'm a worrier. I never worried with AT bringing the ball over mid-court. I worried when he was left with the ball with 3 seconds on the shot clock. BTW we will miss AT's defense .Can't wait to hear about Stonehill and see Assumption.
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Post by dadominate on Oct 27, 2017 15:30:01 GMT -5
From your lips to God's ear. I love PB. Hardest worker on the team, excellent student, nice young man. Should be team captain. I do worry about ball pressure. But that's my nature, I'm a worrier. I never worried with AT bringing the ball over mid-court. I worried when he was left with the ball with 3 seconds on the shot clock. BTW we will miss AT's defense .Can't wait to hear about Stonehill and see Assumption. fair enough. the good news is that i believe you will be pleasantly surprised with the point guard play this year.
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 27, 2017 15:43:20 GMT -5
I had a nice chat with DOBO Dave Metzendorf..I mentioned that JF looks like he has put on some muscle, and he commented that JF has put on 50 pounds since entering HC...
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Post by lou on Oct 27, 2017 15:49:32 GMT -5
14 lbs since his freshman team picture 212->226
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 27, 2017 17:32:11 GMT -5
comments about underestimating PB are interesting...word from a very knowledgeable source, not on the staff, is that PB has worked hard on the 3 over the summer. Marcellus Perkins--is he in good health and ready to contribute a lot as a junior? KY, since I noticed that MP was the only guy on the squad Coach Carm did not mention during his opening remarks, I asked about how he was doing. Coach was quick to point out that Marcellis has had 4 surgeries in 2 years, and had lost a lot of time. He also pointed out that he was a very hard worker and a great kid (referred to him as "Mr. Holy Cross" for all of his involvement in school activities). Really seemed to be low/no expectations for him. Maybe they are just bringing him along very slowly. Out in the parking lot with DiMarz afterwards, we discussed this. We watched the pickup games a month ago and were both impressed with how Marcellis looked on the floor - smooth, nice looking face up jumper, ability to score some off the dribble....just a kid that looks like he knows how to play basketball. We are wondering if perhaps Coach is sandbagging things a bit with MP. Wouldn't that be great!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 27, 2017 17:37:41 GMT -5
By the way, my number one concern with the team early on is the lack of bulk close to the basket. I mean, there's JF, JS, and the 3 headed frosh trio of CN/MF/JG. Remember that big hulk from UMass (Holloway, probably 6-10 300 or so)? If I recall, for a while at least we had some success running some guys at him when he got the ball down low. I can just see a scenario where JF picks up 2 quickies trying to deal with him. Then what happens?
I think we've got some nice versatility/flexibility to cover a lot of space on the floor; I just worry some about getting banged around in the paint.
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Post by HCFC45 on Oct 27, 2017 20:54:38 GMT -5
One thing that has not been mentioned from last night (at least I have not seen it - point it out to me if it has been mentioned) is that CWC said that "it's all about who can you trust"? He even mentioned a movie that he recommended very highly that we should all watch! Someone refresh my memory as to what it is....
Bottom line is that he said right now "I can trust about 7 players". He would like to get it to 9 or more players. That's what preseason is about, finding he players that you can trust!!!
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Post by hchoops on Oct 27, 2017 21:04:45 GMT -5
Just a hunch At least 3, more likely 4, of those 7 are freshmen
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Post by Tom on Oct 28, 2017 5:20:00 GMT -5
Just a hunch At least 3, more likely 4, of those 7 are freshmen Kind of hard to judge. Coach Carmody doesn't seem to like to go crazy and reveal too much information like a Belichick might (Bill, not Amanda). As stated above, poster DiMarz asked him to put names on his circle of trust and he didn't answer. My guess is that the number of freshmen in the circle as of Thursday's comment is 3, not 4
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Post by Tom on Oct 28, 2017 5:27:57 GMT -5
By the way, my number one concern with the team early on is the lack of bulk close to the basket. I mean, there's JF, JS, and the 3 headed frosh trio of CN/MF/JG. Remember that big hulk from UMass (Holloway, probably 6-10 300 or so)? If I recall, for a while at least we had some success running some guys at him when he got the ball down low. I can just see a scenario where JF picks up 2 quickies trying to deal with him. Then what happens? I think we've got some nice versatility/flexibility to cover a lot of space on the floor; I just worry some about getting banged around in the paint. I'm not sure you should use the phrases "bulk" and "Niego" in the same sentence. From a brief first glimpse, I don't think he's quite the wide body of a Vander Baan mold. Sure there's four good growing years ahead, but right now this kid is a real string bean
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Post by sader81 on Oct 28, 2017 8:29:31 GMT -5
As for the frosh, it’s tough to judge anyone during the 20 minutes that I watched during the open workout a month ago, but Faw looked pretty good. High energy and not afraid to mix it up. Grandy wasn’t shy about shooting from anywhere, didn’t see much of Butler, but we know he has range. It was pretty clear then that Green is going to contribute. Niego is an athlete; we shall see if he is ready for prime time, maybe a year away. MP is athletic - just hope he can stay healthy. We’ll see next Wednesday where we are. This team is a year away from being very good. Just hope that the pieces fall in place for a fairly successful season this year.
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