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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 17, 2017 9:21:29 GMT -5
Random thought on the Duffner/McGovern conversation. . . It's reasonable to assume that even as assistants, these guys are under contract at least through the end of the season. NFL policy is that no other NFL team can talk to an assistant during the season - even for a head coaching job. Obviously HC is not another NFL team, but a contract is still a contract and HC can't entice people to break binding contracts. Losing a linebacker coach in the middle of the season would be disruptive. What possible benefit is there to NY/Tampa Bay to let Holy Cross talk to either guy before the season is over? I don't think HC will offer any NFL team enough to let an assistant coach quit mid-season and I don't think HC will want to wait until 2018 to fill the void. Even IF Duffner or McGovern wanted to come back, I don't think they would have an opportunity What was the benefit for the Patriots to allow Charlie Weiss to take the Notre Dame job? (They still won the Super Bowl that year) If McGovern went to John Mara and told him that he wanted to take the job at HC and finish the end of the season with the Giants while getting started at Holy Cross, I don't think Mara would put up a stink about it. Forcing someone to stay who no longer wants to be there and causing them to miss out on an opportunity is also not an ideal situation.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2017 9:23:53 GMT -5
Mara's nephew went to HC
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 17, 2017 9:29:43 GMT -5
And played on the football team I believe.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2017 9:32:07 GMT -5
And played on the football team I believe. not so sure about that
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 17, 2017 9:33:34 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2017 9:38:44 GMT -5
right you are
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Post by timholycross on Oct 17, 2017 10:00:58 GMT -5
What is Vaas these days, some kind of consultant?
Yes, he's the oldest of the three, by a year over Duff and five over Sherman.
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Post by Tom on Oct 17, 2017 10:12:41 GMT -5
Random thought on the Duffner/McGovern conversation. . . It's reasonable to assume that even as assistants, these guys are under contract at least through the end of the season. NFL policy is that no other NFL team can talk to an assistant during the season - even for a head coaching job. Obviously HC is not another NFL team, but a contract is still a contract and HC can't entice people to break binding contracts. Losing a linebacker coach in the middle of the season would be disruptive. What possible benefit is there to NY/Tampa Bay to let Holy Cross talk to either guy before the season is over? I don't think HC will offer any NFL team enough to let an assistant coach quit mid-season and I don't think HC will want to wait until 2018 to fill the void. Even IF Duffner or McGovern wanted to come back, I don't think they would have an opportunity What was the benefit for the Patriots to allow Charlie Weiss to take the Notre Dame job? (They still won the Super Bowl that year) If McGovern went to John Mara and told him that he wanted to take the job at HC and finish the end of the season with the Giants while getting started at Holy Cross, I don't think Mara would put up a stink about it. Forcing someone to stay who no longer wants to be there and causing them to miss out on an opportunity is also not an ideal situation. I'm pretty sure Weiss stayed with the Patriots through the season and was on the sidelines through the Super Bowl. I thought there was a lot of talk on the board that this had to be done before the end of the college season so the new head coach would be up to speed and ready to go for December recruiting
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 17, 2017 11:02:02 GMT -5
And played on the football team I believe. not so sure about that Absolutely true. Tim McDonell -- He was a backup WR and served as our Holder on PAT / FG. He was a Senior when I was a Sophomore.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 17, 2017 11:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Oct 17, 2017 17:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 17, 2017 20:40:30 GMT -5
Have been told that Ryan Carty, the OC at UNH, is a very smart offensive mind and would be a good head coach.
I'd still like to see Tim Cramsey get a serious look.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Oct 18, 2017 7:38:59 GMT -5
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 18, 2017 20:59:50 GMT -5
Report from Kevin Shea on the Channel 3 news last night. A few comments from Coach Rock and one coaching candidate Kevin is hearing some buzz about on the Hill. Fast forward to about 3:40
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Post by hchoops on Oct 18, 2017 21:06:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the post
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Post by joe on Oct 19, 2017 7:04:53 GMT -5
Cool. Keep watching until toward the end, where they mention the candidate. Very nice buzz.
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Post by alum on Oct 19, 2017 7:06:49 GMT -5
The coaching candidate identified in the video in 8485's post is Terry Malone '81. It appears that his current gig is Director of Player Development at Western Michigan with his former Purdue colleague, Tim Lester, as the head coach. Looking at their web site, this would seem to be a non coaching position. Perhaps he can leave immediately and this gives him a leg up on others?
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 19, 2017 7:12:01 GMT -5
I wonder how much of this “buzz” and speculation on Kevin Shea’s part is because he’s read this stuff on Crossports!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 19, 2017 7:12:46 GMT -5
And you wonder what Coach Rock is thinking. The interim gig is for 4 games. After that, he either gets the job permanently (probably dependent on winning out) or he is in all likelihood like all the other assistants probably joining TG on the unemployment line as a new coach probably bringing in his new guys.
I don’t think they will make the same mistake they made with Sean Kearney that they insisted he keep all Ralph’s guys. I always thought that was a big mistake though Ralph’s sudden departure was probably the main reason for that action.
A new head coach really needs his own people to ensure continuity of the new message and reduce factionalization.
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Post by joe on Oct 19, 2017 7:38:27 GMT -5
He will be focused on winning out, either way. If he does, he might be considered for the top job or at least be looked on favorably by other schools if he gets terminated at the end of the year. Nate Pine seems like he means business, and after firing the head coach in midseason, I would expect he do what most AD's would do and that's clean house. That being said, I understand Nate was pivotal in the hiring of Rock and the other assistants so perhaps not. Rock is a solid guy and it at the right point in his career for a head coaching job at a place like HC. Very interesting times. I will be watching the sideline mannerisms and interactions like a hawk on Saturday. By the manner in which he speaks, he seems like he probably has a good rapport with the players, but admittedly I have no other basis for this statement. After many shaky and unstable years, it would not be bad for HC to have a head coach named "Rock" at this point.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 19, 2017 8:12:08 GMT -5
I agree with you Joe that Coach Rock, any coach really, has a great incentive to try to win them all and if the rumors are true that it was NP rather than TG that was most instrumental in bringing him to Holy Cross, perhaps he has assurances if the end of the season is less than perfect it is not the end of the purple road for him. While I and others were encouraged by the offense and the changes that Rock apparently brought in initially, outside of the kicking game (place kicking more specifically), the weakest link is undoubtedly the offense. The execution is not there with poor passes, dropped passes, poor blocking and poor play calling. If the Crusaders are to get back on the winning path, this will fall most heavily on the offense IMO. And that falls on Coach Rock. I wish him and the players well. I intend to be at the last two home games but win, lose or draw, not going to either away game as I've been to enough already and my presence has no effect on the end result as I have finally learned after many years.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 19, 2017 8:24:36 GMT -5
He will be focused on winning out, either way. If he does, he might be considered for the top job or at least be looked on favorably by other schools if he gets terminated at the end of the year. Nate Pine seems like he means business, and after firing the head coach in midseason, I would expect he do what most AD's would do and that's clean house. That being said, I understand Nate was pivotal in the hiring of Rock and the other assistants so perhaps not. Rock is a solid guy and it at the right point in his career for a head coaching job at a place like HC. Very interesting times. I will be watching the sideline mannerisms and interactions like a hawk on Saturday. By the manner in which he speaks, he seems like he probably has a good rapport with the players, but admittedly I have no other basis for this statement. After many shaky and unstable years, it would not be bad for HC to have a head coach named "Rock" at this point. Judging by the tone of that interview on Worcester News, it appears that his emphasis on fun and enjoyment is taking the opposite of TG's strict and serious style. It's easier to have a good rapport with the players when you are playing the yin to TG's strict/serious yang, but when you become the boss, that can become a much more difficult balance.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 19, 2017 8:25:51 GMT -5
Coach Rock highlights his one change as making it 'more fun' or a 'blast' ...while still working hard. That is the sort of approach that restores team morale.
The article I linked in my above comment on Columbia's coach Al Bagnoli (who took over a floundering program 2.5 years ago and has now turned it around) has this quote from Coach Bagnoli:
“When we got here, it was obvious our kids were not enjoying the game of football at all. So our first thing was, let’s make this thing fun again, let’s kind of liven everything up, let’s try to be much more positive, let’s surround them with a lot of good people that would look out for their best interests. That was priority No. 1. No more early morning practices, for example. “I just don’t think that the kid in this type of academic environment can ever prosper when you start having 6:30 a.m. practices. His schedule is too loaded.” www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2017-10-17/how-retired-coach-helped-undefeated-columbia-rise-top-ivy-league
Another thought: I am not an expert in the recruiting calendar and deadlines therein but a perception/reality of the head coach as 'interim' can't be helpful in that regard
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 19, 2017 8:27:17 GMT -5
Even if "interim", Coach Rock will be the last college coach that these seniors will have and they need to work with him to have a successful conclusion to their college careers.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 19, 2017 8:37:08 GMT -5
I shared with another poster the other day how at a Homecoming event, I met and spoke with a former player and now a young alum about Tom Gilmore, not knowing at the time, he was going to be fired. Actually, over the years I have spoken to a bunch of young football alums and as part of the chit chat asked their opinion of Tom, since I recognize that I have a different perspective than a player would. The most recent conversation with the young alum was that he only played 2 years because he got a concussion which ended his football career. However, he said that he had great respect for TG and that he was "hard" and purposely on them. Paraphrasing, he said that TG told the players that he was going to be hard to prepare them not just for football but in their lives after football. If they could handle the pressure he put on them, they would be well positioned in life. This young alum "got it" and what TG was trying to accomplish. But as I listened to him, I also recognized that not everyone, especially today's generation, respond to that. I would say that without exception the other alums had a similar view of TG. It might be that they more greatly appreciated TG after they stopped playing for him and better understood what he was trying to accomplish once they were through it. Let's see if Coach Rock will be easier on the guys and they will play looser and with more fun. But with a name like "Rock," that seems like an oxymoron.
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