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Post by joutsHC77 on Oct 19, 2017 10:51:55 GMT -5
He will be focused on winning out, either way. If he does, he might be considered for the top job or at least be looked on favorably by other schools if he gets terminated at the end of the year. Nate Pine seems like he means business, and after firing the head coach in midseason, I would expect he do what most AD's would do and that's clean house. That being said, I understand Nate was pivotal in the hiring of Rock and the other assistants so perhaps not. Rock is a solid guy and it at the right point in his career for a head coaching job at a place like HC. Very interesting times. I will be watching the sideline mannerisms and interactions like a hawk on Saturday. By the manner in which he speaks, he seems like he probably has a good rapport with the players, but admittedly I have no other basis for this statement. After many shaky and unstable years, it would not be bad for HC to have a head coach named "Rock" at this point. When I've watched HC games, the inconsistency of the O is frustrating. Numerous 3 and outs and inexplicable play calls have heightened this sentiment. Coach Rock handles the O so he is also responsible for the team's demise. I prefer we start fresh with a hard charging new face who will turn this around right away.
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Post by joe on Oct 19, 2017 11:26:56 GMT -5
I have long pondered who is calling the plays and making the bad decisions, like going for it on 4 and short from our own 33 a few weeks ago. That's just a flat-out systems breakdown. Even if we converted, that is NEVER the right call in that situation. You would only do that at that stage of the game if you're down by 2 or more scores. Plus, the punt had been our best offensive weapon in that game, with several pins inside the 5, and out D was stopping them. I wonder maybe Rock was saying punt, only to be overridden by CTG as a gesture of confidence in the O? Otherwise I wonder if they lost track of which 33 yard line we were actually on.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 19, 2017 11:53:20 GMT -5
There is just no way Rock is getting the job. Pine's tenure at HC and his future will be closely tied to the outcome of this hire. There's no way he's picking a guy who was part of an unsuccessful former staff and arguably part of the problem.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 19, 2017 11:55:48 GMT -5
I have long pondered who is calling the plays and making the bad decisions, like going for it on 4 and short from our own 33 a few weeks ago. That's just a flat-out systems breakdown. Even if we converted, that is NEVER the right call in that situation. You would only do that at that stage of the game if you're down by 2 or more scores. Plus, the punt had been our best offensive weapon in that game, with several pins inside the 5, and out D was stopping them. I wonder maybe Rock was saying punt, only to be overridden by CTG as a gesture of confidence in the O? Otherwise I wonder if they lost track of which 33 yard line we were actually on. Nice points, joe. I have many of the same questions. While Coach Rock may have been calling the plays, CTG may have told him "Listen, I don't really like plays #8, # 13, and # 17. Let's not use them today". He'll now have free rein to use those plays. Perhaps CTG was right in suppressing use of those three plays--we can now find out. One nice development could come on defense--maybe Coach Rock says "Now that I'm head coach the days of conceding the 7 yard pass are over. We are going to take our chances in guarding receivers tighter....."
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 19, 2017 12:05:43 GMT -5
There is just no way Rock is getting the job. Pine's tenure at HC and his future will be closely tied to the outcome of this hire. There's no way he's picking a guy who was part of an unsuccessful former staff and arguably part of the problem. Agreed.
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Post by beerseach on Oct 19, 2017 12:18:23 GMT -5
Report from Kevin Shea on the Channel 3 news last night. A few comments from Coach Rock and one coaching candidate Kevin is hearing some buzz about on the Hill. Fast forward to about 3:40 Same video. The dude from Assumption is intriguing for sure. I would definitely take a hard look at this guy as well as a few others mentioned....
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 19, 2017 12:20:03 GMT -5
I shared with another poster the other day how at a Homecoming event, I met and spoke with a former player and now a young alum about Tom Gilmore, not knowing at the time, he was going to be fired. Actually, over the years I have spoken to a bunch of young football alums and as part of the chit chat asked their opinion of Tom, since I recognize that I have a different perspective than a player would. The most recent conversation with the young alum was that he only played 2 years because he got a concussion which ended his football career. However, he said that he had great respect for TG and that he was "hard" and purposely on them. Paraphrasing, he said that TG told the players that he was going to be hard to prepare them not just for football but in their lives after football. If they could handle the pressure he put on them, they would be well positioned in life. This young alum "got it" and what TG was trying to accomplish. But as I listened to him, I also recognized that not everyone, especially today's generation, respond to that. I would say that without exception the other alums had a similar view of TG. It might be that they more greatly appreciated TG after they stopped playing for him and better understood what he was trying to accomplish once they were through it. Let's see if Coach Rock will be easier on the guys and they will play looser and with more fun. But with a name like "Rock," that seems like an oxymoron. "It might be that they more greatly appreciated TG after they stopped playing for him and better understood what he was trying to accomplish once they were through it. " Spot on.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 19, 2017 12:32:08 GMT -5
If the Assumption coach is a highly successful D-2 coach and can be viewed as an up-and-comer (and he is), I'd say he should be in the mix.
When we went Rick Carter we went for the guy who was energetic, enthusiastic, charismatic and highly successful at lower levels. Remember it well. Beyond that, his personality was made for recruiting young people.
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 19, 2017 13:09:43 GMT -5
If you're looking D2, Pince should be at the top of the list.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 19, 2017 14:34:00 GMT -5
I'd much rather have a highly successful D2 head coach than an FCS coordinator.
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Post by alum on Oct 19, 2017 14:53:42 GMT -5
If you're looking D2, Pince should be at the top of the list. Somebody who knows something about this stuff, answer this for me: What is more important for a PL Head Coach: the technical knowledge gained from coaching in the NFL or the recruiting and dealing with college kids skill set of a college coach? and Is coaching at Holy Cross more like coaching at Assumption/New Haven than it is like coaching in a Power 5 conference?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 19, 2017 14:55:47 GMT -5
If you're looking D2, Pince should be at the top of the list. Even if Chesney beats him for the 4th consecutive year this week to get Assumption on the verge of being in the top 10?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 19, 2017 15:01:17 GMT -5
If you're looking D2, Pince should be at the top of the list. Somebody who knows something about this stuff, answer this for me: What is more important for a PL Head Coach: the technical knowledge gained from coaching in the NFL or the recruiting and dealing with college kids skill set of a college coach? and Is coaching at Holy Cross more like coaching at Assumption/New Haven than it is like coaching in a Power 5 conference? 1. I would say both are important but that recruiting is slightly more important at our level. Good recruiting can cover up some coaching shortcomings. 2. I would guess (and that is all that it is) - closer to Assumption than to a Power 5.
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Post by worcester on Oct 19, 2017 16:03:42 GMT -5
1. I would say recruiting is much much more important than technical knowledge gained from the NFL. If you've ever been to an NFL practice much of what they teach is similar to college. The biggest difference is the speed. That reasoning is why very few former pro coaches make it in college (Charlie Weiss for on e of many examples). 2. Coaching at Assumption is no different that Holy Cross just as coaching at Salve Regina was not much different than Assumption (except for the recruiting which he proved he could do). I'm amazed that so many HC alums are so stuck on the next coach being a HC grad or former coach. It's not like HC football tradition is similar to Notre Dame, Oklahoma etc.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 19, 2017 16:08:49 GMT -5
1. I would say recruiting is much much more important than technical knowledge gained from the NFL. If you've ever been to an NFL practice much of what they teach is similar to college. The biggest difference is the speed. That reasoning is why very few former pro coaches make it in college (Charlie Weiss for on e of many examples). 2. Coaching at Assumption is no different that Holy Cross just as coaching at Salve Regina was not much different than Assumption (except for the recruiting which he proved he could do). I'm amazed that so many HC alums are so stuck on the next coach being a HC grad or former coach. It's not like HC football tradition is similar to Notre Dame, Oklahoma etc. That's a pretty outrageous statement. However, by the looks at what Chesney has done at Assumption, I could see him as being capable of making the adjustments needed to transition from Assumption to Holy Cross. IMO, there is no one criteria that would make a successful coach at HC (i.e. NFL assistant, 1-A assistant, 1-AA coordinator, D2 head coach, etc.), but rather the individual's personality, coaching ability, and ability/willingness to adapt to what makes HC unique. Hiring a great staff will also be very important, and can be used to mitigate some of the "weaknesses" in one's background (i.e. an NFL guy hiring assistants who have experience recruiting the PL/Ivy). Aside from the academic restraints on recruiting, how the new coach is able to manage roster depth with only 60 scholarships will be critically important.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 19, 2017 16:44:52 GMT -5
1. I would say recruiting is much much more important than technical knowledge gained from the NFL. If you've ever been to an NFL practice much of what they teach is similar to college. The biggest difference is the speed. That reasoning is why very few former pro coaches make it in college (Charlie Weiss for on e of many examples). 2. Coaching at Assumption is no different that Holy Cross just as coaching at Salve Regina was not much different than Assumption (except for the recruiting which he proved he could do). I'm amazed that so many HC alums are so stuck on the next coach being a HC grad or former coach. It's not like HC football tradition is similar to Notre Dame, Oklahoma etc. I'd agree that the surest indicator of college head coaching success is previous college head coaching success.
No doubt if you can recruit well, know the X's and O's, win, and fulfill all the others tasks/responsibilities at a major D2 football school as a head coach it is likely you can do the same in the PL.
I don't think too many of us HC grads see HC experience as a requirement or even particularly desirable.
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Post by spenser on Oct 19, 2017 17:13:45 GMT -5
I certainly don’t see it as a requirement. But I also don’t think it’s detrimental either. One of the factors that should be considered is a candidate’s realization of the situation he is getting himself into and an acceptance of the limitations he is going to face. Someone with a HC background would fit criteria. But so would a coach from a D2 school, or someone w a PL/Ivy background either as a coach or player.
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Post by breezy on Oct 19, 2017 19:52:57 GMT -5
Head Football Coach
College of the Holy Cross 24 reviews - Worcester, MA 01610
The Head Football Coach will lead NCAA Division I football program by recruiting and developing qualified student-athletes, supervising assistant coaches, and organizing schedules.The head coach must conduct the program in a manner that recognizes the primacy of academics by recruiting, supporting, and retaining student-athletes who will be competitive in the Patriot League.The head coach must ensure that the football program operates in compliance with all College, Patriot League and NCAA rules and regulations.
Major Areas of Responsibility
Provides leadership to team that achieves academic and athletic success on a consistent basis. Head coach monitors academic progress; develops training programs that are safe and effective for student-athletes; schedules practices in accordance with College policies; coordinates travel arrangements; oversees selection of team equipment and apparel; coordinates video analysis; develops game strategies; completes reports; and maintains records as required.
Coordinates recruitment of student-athletes. Head coach identifies talented, academically qualified prospective student-athletes; effectively communicates with high school coaches, prospects and parents; and supports key applicants within admissions and financial aid offices. Provides leadership to program. Maintains an environment that reflects the department's commitment to excellence, integrity, respect and leadership.Collaborates with sport administrator and/or Director of Athletics to develop annual goals for program. Communicates program's needs and concerns responsibly and in timely manner. Attends workshops, training sessions and meetings required for head coaches by the College and the conference.
Responsible for administration of all phases of the program, including monitoring team budget, completing expense reports, and conducting sports camps and/or clinics.
Participates in marketing and fundraising initiatives. Engages in special events to generate interest within the College community, alumni, and region.
Oversees operational activities of assistant coaches and prepares annual evaluations for direct reports.
Performs other duties as assigned by sport supervisor and/or Director of Athletics.
Requirements: Bachelor's degree required. 10 years previous coaching experience required, preferably at the Division I level. Knowledge of NCAA rules and regulations. Strong communication, interpersonal and organizational skills required. Computer and video editing skills strongly encouraged. Ability to prioritize and manage multiple tasks. Flexibility and reliability - position requires travel work on nights and weekends. Understands risk management and works in conjunction with Sports Medicine and Strength and Conditioning personnel to uphold health and safety standards in the conduct of all activities. Strong teamwork and team facilitation.
Additional Information: This is an Exempt level position.
The College is an Equal Employment Opportunity Employer and complies with all Federal and Massachusetts laws concerning Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action in the workplace.
A member of the Higher Education Consortium of Central Massachusetts (HECCMA).
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 21, 2017 15:25:02 GMT -5
Chesney's Assumption team beat former HC OC Chris Pincince's New Haven team 41-6 today to go to 7-0 on the season.
They have outscored their opponents 318-79 on the season, including 206-43 in the last four weeks.
This search may be simpler than anyone would think with a possible great candidate a handful of miles away from HC. I hope he is not tossed aside because he may not meet the "win the press conference" criteria that was injected into the last basketball search.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 21, 2017 15:49:34 GMT -5
Chesney's career record:
Salve Regina: 2010 6-4 2011 8-3 2012 9-2
Assumption: 2013 6-5 2014 7-4 2015 11-2 2016 9-3 2017 7-0
Assumption was 3-7 in 2012. Salve was 4-6 in 2009.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 21, 2017 18:32:31 GMT -5
For those who don't know Chesney - trust me - he would "win" any press conference he participates in.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 21, 2017 19:27:09 GMT -5
For those who don't know Chesney - trust me - he would "win" any press conference he participates in. Excellent, but Basketball wasn't about the coach winning the press conference. I would be very happy with Chesney. For those with the facts and details (from offering and then pulling an offer to a BE coach, to shelling out cash to a certain search firm, and beyond) the entire basketball search stunk to the high heavens.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 21, 2017 19:28:46 GMT -5
Who was the big east coach?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 21, 2017 19:33:44 GMT -5
He has a familiar surname.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 21, 2017 19:46:04 GMT -5
And would Kevin W have accepted ? Do you know why this alleged offer was allegedly withdrawn ?
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