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Post by hchoops on May 27, 2016 15:49:45 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 27, 2016 18:08:03 GMT -5
Several comments on a Princeton board re: Scott.
"Scott mellowed some at Denver. But Carmody might want him to play bad cop, not that Carmody's exceptionally warm and fuzzy himself."
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 27, 2016 20:31:59 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 27, 2016 21:24:11 GMT -5
Nice sleuthing WooGray
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Post by possum on May 28, 2016 10:29:57 GMT -5
Love the X's and O's ability of this staff however have concerns about recruiting. This is a huge recruiting year as the departing seniors will leave big holes to fill. In my view we will need a point guard who can play immediately as I don't see PB, Ziggy or the new walk on as a viable solution. Was hoping to recruit point guard in late signing period or get a transfer who would be ready to play next year but that does not seem to be happening at this point. Also going to need at least two bigs who can contribute immediately as wil be down to Stevens and Floyd after this year and we don't really have any idea how good these two will be. Hitting three home runs in a recruiting year is difficult if not impossible at our level. I worry about Illinois Saders comment about Carmodys need for assistants that are good recruiters as that is not his strong point. I'm hoping that Owens and Kennedy step up and bring some real talent on board but until that happens I will be concerned. It's been stated that with their Midwestern roots it will broaden our recruiting base but to date no evidence of that and it seems the only success we have had so far is with kids Driscoll was recruiting. I don't care how good the staff is technically without talent they will not succeed.
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Post by hchoops on May 28, 2016 10:36:34 GMT -5
Interesting analysis, possum You left out Scott as a recruiter. His long experience as a closer/head coach as well as a former assistant/recruiter will be a benefit. if Floyd and/or Stevens can contribute big minutes in 17-18, we may not need two front court home runs next recruiting year. That will be clearer after next season. Whether pB or Zig or Will Powers will be ready to be a starting point in 17-18 should also be seen by the end of next season.
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Post by dadominate on May 28, 2016 12:32:20 GMT -5
Love the X's and O's ability of this staff however have concerns about recruiting. This is a huge recruiting year as the departing seniors will leave big holes to fill. In my view we will need a point guard who can play immediately as I don't see PB, Ziggy or the new walk on as a viable solution. Was hoping to recruit point guard in late signing period or get a transfer who would be ready to play next year but that does not seem to be happening at this point. Also going to need at least two bigs who can contribute immediately as wil be down to Stevens and Floyd after this year and we don't really have any idea how good these two will be. Hitting three home runs in a recruiting year is difficult if not impossible at our level. I worry about Illinois Saders comment about Carmodys need for assistants that are good recruiters as that is not his strong point. I'm hoping that Owens and Kennedy step up and bring some real talent on board but until that happens I will be concerned. It's been stated that with their Midwestern roots it will broaden our recruiting base but to date no evidence of that and it seems the only success we have had so far is with kids Driscoll was recruiting. I don't care how good the staff is technically without talent they will not succeed. charles was the best recruit and had the best on-court performance of a freshman since the rw era. charles directly cited coach carmody and his pitch about his success as a head coach as a major reason he came to holy cross. the "driscoll did all the recruiting by himself" thing is getting really, really old. plus, the recruiting was generally mediocre anyway even when he was here. as hoops noted, scott has been the head guy at a number of d-1 programs and obviously knows how to close. he will be of value not only in x's and o's, but in recruiting. the opportunity to become a much better basketball player at holy cross is clear and doesn't take much of a pitch to get that across to recruits and their parents. i definitely understand the concern about the point guard position, though. but we had terrible production out of the position last year and only powers is new this year, so why is your concern only for 2017-2018? i'm actually most concerned about the position in 2016-2017. the optimist in me hopes that thompson rediscovers his shot and becomes a true floor general/leader (not sure about that), that ziggy and benzan improve (fairly likely that at least one of them will), or that powers is a major surprise who can give big minutes right out of the gate (pretty unlikely). so while i want a strong point guard commitment as much as anyone, in 2017-2018 i have a hard time believing ziggy and/or benzan as juniors, powers as a sophomore, and a potential recruit/transfer could be any worse than what we had out of the position last year or what we look to have out of the position this coming year, unless we are pleasantly surprised by one of the scenarios in my previous paragraph. i have trust in this staff that they will work it all out, because they have proven track records and are excellent tacticians... which was, is, and always will be most important in the patriot league.
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Post by southernsader on May 28, 2016 13:30:05 GMT -5
No disrespect to KD, but Joe Scott is a gargantuan upgrade on multiple levels. Agree with Dado that he should be a significant asset in recruiting. That said, we need, as a component of our recruiting, a young, hungry, energetic hustler, which KD apparently was. JK and/or FO, preferably both, need to provide that and we'll have all the complementary bases covered.
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Post by possum on May 28, 2016 13:57:37 GMT -5
I like Charles a great deal but let's face it he was in a great position last year basically guaranteed 30 minutes because there were no other options. He averaged 11points and 4 rebounds good but not great stats for that amount of playing time and by far led the team in turnovers. As far as the point guard goes lets face it AT is a square peg in a round hole in this system but at least I know he will take care of the ball. Absent a freshman who can play immediately the following year I have no confidence in the other 3 options. PB is slow and can't shoot, Ziggy is just not a point guard and the other guy is like buying a power ball ticket. I hope your confidence in the staff is rewarded and we have the huge recruiting year that is needed because absent three impact recruits the program will be in trouble in 2017. I don't care how good these guys are as tacticians they will not win without talent. Remember Red Auerbach didn't win till he got Bill Russell
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 28, 2016 14:20:09 GMT -5
. . . we need, as a component of our recruiting, a young, hungry, energetic hustler, which KD apparently was. JK and/or FO, preferably both, need to provide that and we'll have all the complementary bases covered. EXACTLY. Personally, my regard for KD was less about his recruiting chops per se than about his embodiment of a certain personality/skill set that was a particularly good fit for a head coach like Carmody who intensely dislikes the nuts and bolts of the recruiting process. Carmody appears to be a guy who can effectively close the deal, but he needs somebody to do the lunch-bucket, blue collar, inglorious work of finding players - somebody who will wave bye-bye to the family (an advantage, perhaps, that KD didn't have one in Worcester), gas up the car at 5AM, drive hundreds of miles to AAU tournaments and open gyms, press the flesh with hundreds of kids, their families, and their coaches, develop and maintain those relationships over long periods of time, while living out of a suitcase in a Holiday Inn and eating road food, and then . . . doing it all over again. Week after week after week. Maybe Joe Scott did that 20 years ago at Princeton - at age 50, I can't see it. And though Scott is from New Jersey, he didn't look to the East when he was at Denver - most of his recruits came from the Denver area and Texas. Presumably, Kennedy and Owens are getting up to speed on the NY/NJ/PA territory - it's where virtually all of our recruits have come from the last two years. First July live period is six weeks away. We will see.
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Post by hchoops on May 28, 2016 19:42:43 GMT -5
It makes sense that Scott's primary area of recruiting when he coached Denver was the west. Now it makes sense that HC's primary area is the east where he recruited when he was at Princeton. He will adjust.
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Post by sarasota on May 28, 2016 19:55:00 GMT -5
The resumes of our coaching staff are pretty awesome. It still boggles my mind how the staff has upgraded in one year. CBC and NP certainly exude quiet competence.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 29, 2016 8:47:03 GMT -5
ADNP seems to have opened the purse string a bit more, even if Scott is coming at a discount given the years remaining on his Denver contract.
The 'quality' of the coaching staff hearkens back to the days of Carter and Duffner, though those staffs will be likely be unparalleled in the history of HC sports.
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