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Post by rgs318 on Oct 30, 2017 19:28:09 GMT -5
Are you writing them off after a year? How?
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Post by possum on Oct 30, 2017 19:59:26 GMT -5
One of them is no longer attending the school, MZ has been a colossal disappointment, I don't think CLS is a D1 player and Stevens didn't get off the bench so to date 1 for 5, therefore at this point Carmody doesn't get the benefit of being called a good talent evaluator, even he admits he missed the boat on Benzan by not playing him as a freshmen
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 30, 2017 20:23:49 GMT -5
Ky as of now Carmody is 1 for 5 on his recruits so his talent evaluation is in question. Hopefully this class will alleviate any concerns in this area. And if there was weight to be assigned for why that "1" made it to HC, his injury was a far bigger factor than talent evaluation. If this current class does not include at least 4 players (hitting 67% would be a steep jump from 20%), we are screwed for years to come and Milan's 20 wins may start to feel like an NCAA Championship.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 30, 2017 20:31:38 GMT -5
Wow. I thought only one poster thought like that.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 30, 2017 21:24:43 GMT -5
Limited playing time for four of them? Two of whom were freshmen. but you knew that
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 30, 2017 21:34:33 GMT -5
Well, since we seem to be evaluating talent by their first year minutes, it would seem that most of the HC hoop coaches have done a terrible job. Of course, we'll know after the players complete their four years just how good they were. That is an evaluation most accurately made in retrospect. Anything before that is fun, but worth little more than that. Of course if one is a perpetual skeptic, or just does not like the coach, it is never too early to write off a player. And, if a player goes somewhere else, we then "know" that would certainly have been a star at HC. Really??? Would that life were so simple.
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Post by possum on Oct 31, 2017 5:53:02 GMT -5
Comment was made that Carmody is a good judge of talent , based on the recruiting efforts I've seen so far in my opinion that's not the case. Hopefully this years class will change that opinion. Don't hate the coach just commenting on what I've see so far. Also lets not make it seem like it's unusual for freshmen to contribute right away, every team in the league last year except us had freshmen who made nice contributions.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 31, 2017 6:13:33 GMT -5
Really??? No. But rashad whack led msm to the dance and has played several years of pro ball. He would have been a star at HC. Mitch Hahn was a star already at HC and would have continued to be a star at HC. The jury is still out on J Proctor but he logged nice PT at Iona as a FROSH. We shall see how things work out at HPU.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 31, 2017 7:06:00 GMT -5
Hahn was "already a star" at HC?
Have another.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 31, 2017 7:39:02 GMT -5
Loved Mitch and had one great game that I recall where he hit something like 6 3’s in a row and perhaps 7 for 8 overall.
I thought he had very high potential but to say he was a star is a stretch due to lack of consistency over time that a true star had.
CLS is also a star by that limited definÃtion of doing well in one game. He similarly was hitting bombs in one game and then pretty much nada.
He is still with us and maybe he will turn into a star.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2017 8:01:05 GMT -5
Really??? No. But rashad whack led msm to the dance and has played several years of pro ball. He would have been a star at HC. Mitch Hahn was a star already at HC and would have continued to be a star at HC. The jury is still out on J Proctor but he logged nice PT at Iona as a FROSH. We shall see how things work out at HPU. OK, but IIRC One player could not meet HC admissions requirements, so that is a non-starter. The second had a couple of good games and was a liability on defense. I am not sure that makes one a star (except among players who ride the bench for most of the time) and the third has shown a lack of real commitment anywhere. IMHO (and it is only that) these three cases do not make for a strong argument.
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2017 9:43:06 GMT -5
One of them is no longer attending the school, MZ has been a colossal disappointment, I don't think CLS is a D1 player and Stevens didn't get off the bench so to date 1 for 5, therefore at this point Carmody doesn't get the benefit of being called a good talent evaluator, even he admits he missed the boat on Benzan by not playing him as a freshmen I must have missed it when Coach Carmody said he missed the boat by not playing Benzan as a freshman. I did hear him say he basically ignored Benzan, but going into soph year, Benzan's performance in practice forced Carmody to give him minutes. My interpretation of that comment is that Benzan wasn't doing the things in practice as a freshman to gain the coaches' attention and earn his minutes, but by soph more year he was playing better. I never heard that Benzan should have been playing more. In fact he got into 27 games at about 5 minutes a game. I don't recall him doing anything in games that would have warranted more minutes. Most players at this level just don't jump to college ready to contribute consistently. That's player development, not a missed boat. In my opinion, it's more than a little pre-mature to label Zignorski a colossal disappointment. His soph year was a step back from his freshman year. Coach Carmody did say he screwed up with that one and that Zignorski was putting too much pressure on himself last year and the coaching staff probably was making that situation worse. The staff is handling that differently this year and Zignorski is practicing much better. You can say his sophomore year was a colossal disappointment. If his junior year is basically a repeat of his sophomore year, I might revisit this in March, but right now, especially in light of Coach Carmody's own words last week, I'm not prepared to write the kid off
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2017 10:04:33 GMT -5
Really??? No. But rashad whack led msm to the dance and has played several years of pro ball. He would have been a star at HC. Mitch Hahn was a star already at HC and would have continued to be a star at HC. The jury is still out on J Proctor but he logged nice PT at Iona as a FROSH. We shall see how things work out at HPU. OK, but IIRC One player could not meet HC admissions requirements, so that is a non-starter. The second had a couple of good games and was a liability on defense. I am not sure that makes one a star (except among players who ride the bench for most of the time) and the third has shown a lack of real commitment anywhere. IMHO (and it is only that) these three cases do not make for a strong argument.I'm a little lost here. We have strayed a bit from the exhibition game to how Coach Carmody's ability to judge talent makes it likely/unlikely that multiple members of the class of 2021 will be ready to play D-I ball this week. I can't say if these three cases make a strong argument or not because I have no idea what argument they are making. Coach Carmody has probably spoken to Hahn and Proctor, but has probably never seen any of the three mentioned play other than film. Heck, he might have thought they were awesome or horrible but they chose to be other places so his evaluation will never be known. Unless we're claiming Coach Carmody never asked Proctor or Hahn to stay because he didn't like the film he saw, I've completely missed the point
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 31, 2017 10:11:56 GMT -5
The usual two suspects derailed the thread Tom
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Post by Ray on Oct 31, 2017 10:16:59 GMT -5
The trolls are in mid-season form already.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2017 10:32:39 GMT -5
And will get worse with every loss
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2017 10:37:13 GMT -5
OK, but IIRC One player could not meet HC admissions requirements, so that is a non-starter. The second had a couple of good games and was a liability on defense. I am not sure that makes one a star (except among players who ride the bench for most of the time) and the third has shown a lack of real commitment anywhere. IMHO (and it is only that) these three cases do not make for a strong argument.I'm a little lost here. We have strayed a bit from the exhibition game to how Coach Carmody's ability to judge talent makes it likely/unlikely that multiple members of the class of 2021 will be ready to play D-I ball this week. I can't say if these three cases make a strong argument or not because I have no idea what argument they are making. Coach Carmody has probably spoken to Hahn and Proctor, but has probably never seen any of the three mentioned play other than film. Heck, he might have thought they were awesome or horrible but they chose to be other places so his evaluation will never be known. Unless we're claiming Coach Carmody never asked Proctor or Hahn to stay because he didn't like the film he saw, I've completely missed the point Not to continue the sidetrack too far, but I thought the argument was that the prior coach had three strong players lined up that CBC let go elsewhere. I don't think those three players make FCMB look like the better recruiter or that they cast any light on CBC's ability as a recruiter. That was the point I was trying to make. If I was unclear, I apologize.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 31, 2017 10:40:21 GMT -5
What's new on the C of C board?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 31, 2017 10:42:10 GMT -5
And will get worse with every loss Yet they will disappear after wins.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 31, 2017 10:42:47 GMT -5
What's new on the C of C board? Dunno.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 31, 2017 10:55:28 GMT -5
One thing I'll be very interested in seeing tomorrow night is who spells (or complements) Jehyve up front. If Stevens is hurt or otherwise not up to it, presume it will be Faw - based only on what I watched on video during his HS tournament, he does seem to have a good nose for rebounds and can block/alter shots inside.
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Post by dadominate on Oct 31, 2017 11:04:31 GMT -5
What's new on the C of C board? Dunno. see pms. fwiw, haters don't deserve inside info straight from the outbox of parents and coaching staff, sorry, "aau friend". imho. seriously, as annoying as he is, you have to feel sorry for someone who is clinging so desperately to a former coaching staff (that was by any measure disappointing, ending in firing) that he now hangs his hat on three players who have essentially no relevance to holy cross basketball. two of these players never even enrolled at hc (one was not even admitted!) and the other who had an outstanding game in his freshman year (ala clayton lesann, as tom noted) but was too much of a defensive liability to see the court on a team that flamed out of the pl tournament in typically disappointing fashion. seriously, if you look at this objectively... what the hell?!? while the rest of us excitedly look forward to seeing six new crusaders on the court this year, this guy (and now apparently, his plus one) look backwards trying to prop up a disappointing era of hc basketball. if you take the aggravation of the constant derailment of threads like this aside, it actually IS sad. so sad. to anyone affiliated with hc basketball reading this thread, rest assured that these two represent a minority opinion and most of us can't wait to see the product this year (despite some likely growing pains) and what should be a promising future. if carmody could bring holy cross to the big dance in YEAR ONE, i see no reason that a group of players that better suits his preferred style will not result in that happening again at some point in the next few years.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 31, 2017 11:13:56 GMT -5
Nails it.
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2017 11:28:02 GMT -5
One thing I'll be very interested in seeing tomorrow night is who spells (or complements) Jehyve up front. If Stevens is hurt or otherwise not up to it, presume it will be Faw - based only on what I watched on video during his HS tournament, he does seem to have a good nose for rebounds and can block/alter shots inside. Also will be watching for this. Somehow the Stevens/Faw/Niego is going to have to come up with a minimum of 15 minutes a game, or things are going to be mighty short out there. And 15 minutes a game assumes that Floyd fouls at a lesser rate than last year
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Post by dadominate on Oct 31, 2017 11:32:15 GMT -5
One thing I'll be very interested in seeing tomorrow night is who spells (or complements) Jehyve up front. If Stevens is hurt or otherwise not up to it, presume it will be Faw - based only on what I watched on video during his HS tournament, he does seem to have a good nose for rebounds and can block/alter shots inside. Also will be watching for this. Somehow the Stevens/Faw/Niego is going to have to come up with a minimum of 15 minutes a game, or things are going to be mighty short out there. And 15 minutes a game assumes that Floyd fouls at a lesser rate than last year i will also be watching for this, although early reports make it sound as if grandison might also be in the mix. any depth here is good news!
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