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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 2, 2017 9:21:22 GMT -5
Believe Butler was 6 of 8 shooting (don't have the stats in front of me now) and was 0 of 1 from 3, making him 6 of 7 from 2 point range. Many lay-ups. He has as others noted, a football player body. I expected purple reign from 3 but that might be for another day. On defense, I thought the frosh looked pretty good for a first game and better than at least some of the upperclassman. I suspect that why we got the "OK" evaluation from CWC. Perhaps Butler's high school stats (~31% from 3) are more accurate than the Crossports Highlight Tape Breakdown, but those numbers, along with being a high school QB and the description of his game from last night all remind me of RJ Evans. Another RJ Evans would be a huge addition to the program after the recruiting from the last couple years. I think we'll find that Austin Butler will be a very different type of player than RJ Evans, a player I really liked but one with extremely low shooting percentages from 3 point range (.188, not a typo) and on free throws (.537). AB appears to have "textbook form" on his threes and if .310 is accurate I'll show my customary optimism by suggesting that (1) he dominated the team's scoring and likely was called on to take an awful lot of three pointers, i.e. he can be more selective in college and (2) we can expect him to improve from high school. If AB can drive to the basket and rebound any where near RJ's level we should be very happy.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 2, 2017 9:22:27 GMT -5
Butler may be as efficient as RJ, but may not get RJ's minutes and thus his averages may be less Which is why I included the team stats -- RJ did all of that for a good team. He would be an immediate starter and star on the current team.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 2, 2017 9:23:09 GMT -5
The general tone of the Assumption posts seems decidedly more optimistic than other recent threads...I like this "cautious optimism."
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Post by hchoops on Nov 2, 2017 9:26:11 GMT -5
Butler may be as efficient as RJ, but may not get RJ's minutes and thus his averages may be less Which is why I included the team stats -- RJ did all of that for a good team. He would be an immediate starter and star on the current team. i believe that I did not write or imply that Butler is superior to RJ as a freshman
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 2, 2017 10:33:48 GMT -5
Of course, neither you nor any poster has done that. Can't judge a freshman playing one exhibition game with a 20/20 look back on a graduated player. But, I like what I saw from Butler.
I also hope that CG's injury is minor. Got hurt (knee), left the game, came back and either re-injured it or got a second injury. We need him!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 2, 2017 10:40:13 GMT -5
A few other, belated impressions from last night - apologies for overlaps with the other very good observations folks in attendance have made . . .
1. Believe we know who the "trusted seven" are at this point, but not clear whether there will be significant help from others - Ziggy gets the early nod by virtue of his experience, but still looks like he has a lot of trouble operating when closely guarded or in traffic. His reluctance to shoot is understandable, given his problems on that score last year. He does look physically stronger.
2. Don't see who has the combination of speed and length to run the baseline in the 1-3-1. Match-up was easily penetrated from either side of the key on a few occasions. Nobody stood out defensively, but probably the most difficult part of the game for the frosh to master. Hoops - on-ball pressure in the "zone" is a strong clue to the fact we are in the match-up, but please give us a primer on how to recognize it away from the ball.
3. GREEN . . . My first thoughts were the same as when I watched him in the NEPSAC tournament last year. He shows excellent and mature judgment. He likes to push the ball, but doesn't rush. He facilitates, but doesn't force it. Threads inside, rather than rushing headlong. Whether he chose to pass or shoot, he seemed to consistently make the right decision. Some similarities with PB, but looks like he will distribute better in transition (main reason why we ran more, I think), and is a three-zone scoring threat. Poised and composed, he didn't play like a freshman.
4. FAW . . . Wish he was an inch or two taller and a lot stronger, but looks like the best fit for the classic "5" in the P.O. Impressed with his passing (all his assists came from around the high post area to cutters inside), nice pick-and-pop mechanics on his three, pretty nice fall-away in closer. Ran the floor well, active and bouncy inside on defense.
5. BUTLER . . . Didn't have a great first half, not moving without the ball too well, looked much more comfortable inside than out offensively. A couple scores on breaks seemed to jump start him - finished hard and strong - and he was very good in the second stanza. Solid body, likes mixing and boarding - nice baseline move to tip-in a miss. I came in expecting a long-range bomber, discovered instead a tough, hard-nosed interior guy. The Evans comp is insightful, but expect AB will shoot the ball better outside the paint.
6. GRANDISON . . . Didn't shoot well, but wasn't reluctant to put it up, either - something I think Carmody values. Rangy and pretty quick. Like Faw, needs to put on some muscle, but looked comfortable at both ends.
Not a great crowd, but nice to see Ron Sr. and Togo there.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 2, 2017 12:02:55 GMT -5
thanks to all posters for the incredibly exciting reports on the freshmen!
we have been really hurting at the point guard position for close to a decade now, and the combination of pb and cg now provides a great comfort level in leadership and talent at the most important position on the basketball court. i can’t wait to watch them over the next few years.
on the other end of the positional spectrum, the play of faw and grandison is even more encouraging. yes, it was d2 comp... but the skillset, aggressiveness, and production they displayed gives me a lot more hope for our bigs this year and into the future.
as for butler, what can you say other than the toughness he brings (what a body!) will help a relatively thin team. whatever shooting he brings will be icing on the cake.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 2, 2017 14:09:49 GMT -5
A few other, belated impressions from last night - apologies for overlaps with the other very good observations folks in attendance have made . . . 1. Believe we know who the "trusted seven" are at this point, but not clear whether there will be significant help from others - Ziggy gets the early nod by virtue of his experience, but still looks like he has a lot of trouble operating when closely guarded or in traffic. His reluctance to shoot is understandable, given his problems on that score last year. He does look physically stronger. 2. Don't see who has the combination of speed and length to run the baseline in the 1-3-1. Match-up was easily penetrated from either side of the key on a few occasions. Nobody stood out defensively, but probably the most difficult part of the game for the frosh to master. Hoops - on-ball pressure in the "zone" is a strong clue to the fact we are in the match-up, but please give us a primer on how to recognize it away from the ball. Thanks for the thorough scouting report, WG here is attempt at answering your question. I am better with a board. The first thing to look for in deciding whether the D is a matchup is to watch a guard without the ball cut to the hoop. If the bigs at the back of the zone communicate to the guards as to who is now respondible for that man, that is most likely a matchup another indication is communication from the bigs(always a key) to the guards about flash posts and offensive players behind their vision who are now moving into their area. hope that helps. as far as to your question as to who can play the back of the 1-3-1, perhaps K.C could fill it, especially when we can have two good size effective defensive rebounding wings and we may not need him on the wing. i did not see him, but how about JG ?
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Post by bigfan on Nov 2, 2017 14:31:23 GMT -5
We played Assumption, let's wait and see when we play Div 1 type teams.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 2, 2017 14:33:33 GMT -5
Thanks for that quick insight/course, hoops.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 2, 2017 17:20:05 GMT -5
Unusual stat We caused only 13 turnovers, but scored 15 points off these turnovers Wheras we committed 10 turnovers, but they scored only 1 point off these 10
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 2, 2017 17:46:01 GMT -5
Good posts from all! The one aspect that stood out to me last night was how quickly HC got the ball into the front court. Caleb and Pat both pushed the ball and so many others showed speed on in the outside lanes..Been a while since we saw any of that in the Hart...Faw was especially impressive on D, his head was on a swivel and his voice was engaged..Good ball movement all night long...The D was pretty vanilla, but still pretty good..HC was aggressive defending the rim...Overall, the freshmen looked pretty solid, a positive start to their career.... Looking forward to the season!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 2, 2017 17:47:45 GMT -5
Very encouraged by the reports on Calebl Green. Very reassuring that we seem to have a solid point guard for the next four years.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 2, 2017 17:54:57 GMT -5
My farmer's work schedule prevented me from posting till now; I see there's not much to be added. Couple of thoughts anyway.....
Looking at the group on the floor warming up, you quickly notice: 1) there seems to be some nice overall quickness, 2) guys appear to be very comfortable shooting the ball, and 3) many of the guys really need to get stronger.. For the right here and now, I think there's a good deal of skill; and the frosh don't seem to lack confidence. The one disadvantage the tempers my enthusiasm a bit for this year is that it won't be easy going up physically against teams with a lot of 21-22-23 year old bodies. Steaks for everyone!
Some player thoughts:
KC - for last night, seemed content to hang back and shoot 3's. Maybe giving the yungins some opportunities to show their stuff. Expect he will vary things up when the lights come on.
Pat - get the feeling he's been given the directive to "score the ball", and he can do that, even without shooting jumpers. I wouldn't be shocked if he led the team in scoring this year.
JF - his game looked pretty similar to last year, but with a stronger looking body.
Faw - he seems to really have a presence/sense of belonging. I can see where the coaches wanted him - he certainly seems like the prototypical Princeton post guy. Looks a bit like John Hurley, but with a face up game.
JG - the Grandy Man can (and hopefully will)! Missed a lot of shots, real skinny, but boy he looks like a real "value pick in the late rounds". He could end up being the most versatile player on the team down the road. First half, he was on the left wing about 17-18 feet from the basket. After a quick jab step, he made a super quick dribble as if he was going hard to the hoop. Stopped on a dime, and hit a Step Back Jack 15 footer.
CG- as I think WooGray pointed out, he had a great sense of control, yet was in no way slow. Until someone else steps up as a primary scorer, I see him and Pat playing together a lot.
AB - I am calling him GI Joe. I doubt he is 6-4, but he is pretty powerful. Hopefully he will help with rebounding.
Z - agree with Tom's assessment. I think he will be in the Trust Group at some point.
Niego/KCope - not much opportunity to shine, but its great to have the quickness and length these guys offer.
And don't sleep on my guy Marcellis. I have no idea about his situation, but maybe the staff is just being super cautious with him. In those final few minutes, you could see there is a basketball player inside that body (couple of nice backdoor passes, although I don't think they were converted).
Coach Carm - I was really interested in watching him. Couple of times he displayed the Willard palms up stance, complete with the constipated anguished look on his face. Another time, after KCope made a mistake, he gave him the palms down "Relax, slow down". Interesting though - right after that, KCope made a pass that ended up by where the band sits. And while he got the Hands Up/"Why??" treatment, Coach left him in. A lot of coaching going on.
So - I still have no great expectations in regards to wins and losses. Right now if you look at this team, and look at the Bucknell roster, you certainly see a sizeable gap. But........I believe our day is coming. I want to capture snapshots of the group in my mind's eye on the 1st of every month. Watching that gap shrink........and I would certainly sacrifice a couple of non league games in Nov-Dec for a big shocker or two in February and March!
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 2, 2017 18:10:29 GMT -5
Nice addition to the thread, NAD! Skills, energy, speed - if we need more beef, I would be willing to chip in for a steak or two.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 2, 2017 19:06:19 GMT -5
Good posts from all! The one aspect that stood out to me last night was how quickly HC got the ball into the front court. Caleb and Pat both pushed the ball and so many others showed speed on in the outside lanes..Been a while since we saw any of that in the Hart...Faw was especially impressive on D, his head was on a swivel and his voice was engaged..Good ball movement all night long...The D was pretty vanilla, but still pretty good..HC was aggressive defending the rim...Overall, the freshmen looked pretty solid, a positive start to their career.... Looking forward to the season! Thanks, DiMarz Love the coachspeak, “ head in a swivel”
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Post by Tom on Nov 2, 2017 19:57:12 GMT -5
Good posts from all! The one aspect that stood out to me last night was how quickly HC got the ball into the front court. Caleb and Pat both pushed the ball and so many others showed speed on in the outside lanes..Been a while since we saw any of that in the Hart...Faw was especially impressive on D, his head was on a swivel and his voice was engaged..Good ball movement all night long...The D was pretty vanilla, but still pretty good..HC was aggressive defending the rim...Overall, the freshmen looked pretty solid, a positive start to their career.... Looking forward to the season! Thanks, DiMarz Love the coachspeak, “ head in a swivel” Always looking around to know where everyone is. Reminded me of the way Eric Green used to "swivel"
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 2, 2017 21:12:20 GMT -5
Unusual stat We caused only 13 turnovers, but scored 15 points off these turnovers Wheras we committed 10 turnovers, but they scored only 1 point off these 10 I have always felt that points off turnovers was a strange stat. I think it makes sense if the TO is a steal which leads to a fast break. However, if the opponent simply throws the ball out of bounds and the other team comes down court slowly, runs a play, and then scores I do not understand why that is "2 points off a turnover".
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 2, 2017 21:15:49 GMT -5
Would the analogy in football be that you would only count a "pick 6" as points off a turnover vs. an interception/fumble recovery with a drive that ultimately results in points scored?
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 2, 2017 21:19:47 GMT -5
Would the analogy in football be that you would only count a "pick 6" as points off a turnover vs. an interception/fumble recovery with a drive that ultimately results in points scored? Yes. I think that is a perfect analogy.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 2, 2017 21:52:21 GMT -5
Unusual stat We caused only 13 turnovers, but scored 15 points off these turnovers Wheras we committed 10 turnovers, but they scored only 1 point off these 10 I have always felt that points off turnovers was a strange stat. I think it makes sense if the TO is a steal which leads to a fast break. However, if the opponent simply throws the ball out of bounds and the other team comes down court slowly, runs a play, and then scores I do not understand why that is "2 points off a turnover". I think that the reasoning is that the team that benefits from the turnover gets an extra possession they would not have normally received and thus got an extra chance to score.
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