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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 30, 2017 17:32:06 GMT -5
This has morphed a bit into a discussion about the rationale for HC playing BCS schools. Let’s get back on point. Other than being “fired up,” what strategy can a team with either a relatively inexperienced or possibly new QB, a new coach, new staff, which lost many key players to graduation, and wasn’t very good anyway, do to prepare for a team like BC who just steamrolled another FBS school, FSU to boot. I’m talking strategy, football theory. BC IS NOT UCONN. Will limited tape and the element of surprise work in our favor? How will Adazzio scout us, by drone? What else can we do to pull this off? Or at least not have this be a Howard situation where the game is called after the third quarter. Our plan was to be a PL and possibly an FCS power by now with a coach in his 15th year. So we are going into this more disadvantaged than we thought several years ago when, to my great joy, and that of many others, it was announced that this series would be resuming. I don’t care how much money we get, there is nothing to be gained from an ass whooping. Losing is fine sometimes, but I’m afraid this game will get out of control. BC is going to try to destroy and embarrass us, and send the world a message that we don’t belong on the same field as them. More so now, than 1986. Just calling this thing as it is. My purple glasses are long gone. Discuss. I'm more than happy to talk football theory - Would be a welcomed change from the normal speculation that tends to drive majority of conversation here. Offensively: This will be our first game of the season so we can bring some elements of surprise to the table. I would look to include more spread option elements and make force BC to play disciplined defense early in the season against something they hadn't game planned for. We'll most likely want to employ some slide protection / sprint outs to take pressure off of the offensive line and allow us to get some easy short yardage completions. I would also have a RB chipping and getting out on short yard dump off routes. Look for screen plays to play a big role here and then you want to have the option to fake the under and take a few shots deep. I would look to also run some outside zone / stretch to widen out there defensive ends and keep them honest and take pressure off our tackles and then counter with some inside runs and play action off of that. Offensivley we need to keep them off guard, take what they give us, play with patience, live to play another down and hang around waiting for them to make a mistake, commit a turnover, etc.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 30, 2017 17:38:32 GMT -5
We actually open up at Colgate on Sept 1st......BC will be our second game next year.
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 30, 2017 17:44:36 GMT -5
You're right - Not sure how I missed that.
Regardless, I would stand by much of what I've posted.
To be fair, these are the sort of things any team in HC's position would be looking to do -- Without watching film on BC and getting more specific with their personnel and tendencies it would be tough to really put a proposed detail plan of attack together.
I'd start by understanding how many guys on defense they'll be graduating / losing this year - Then looking to see the strength of their replacements.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 30, 2017 18:16:55 GMT -5
I can't offer much, other than I think the best chance in any football or basketball game against a superior opponent is for the underdog to try to shorten the game. HOW, I'll leave up to you guys!
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Post by joe on Oct 30, 2017 18:52:14 GMT -5
Right, Colgate first. A classic scheduling blunder. I agree with 67. I really think we have to spread the field and also generally play up the element of surprise which will be tough since this game will be our second game of the year, so they’ll have some film. I’d wonder if we’d hold something back in week one but such an important league contest like ‘gate makes that a challenge.
My concern is less with offense and more with defense and how to get the defense off the field. I worry about the tearing up field with midrange passes that go for 10-30 yards after the catch.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 30, 2017 20:18:26 GMT -5
I watched most of the BC v. FSU game on Friday. The Eagles are much, much better than they've been in past years. Their defense is legit, and their young QB is mobile and can throw. Tailgate will be fun in Chestnut Hill, at the very least! The game looked like Yale vs HC...Florida State played with the same intensity that caused Gilmore to be sh*tcanned...however I read this week that Fisher's buyout is in the neighborhood of $40 million! So look for him to clean house in terms of his coaching staff but be back for next year, if not several more. One particular play said it all. FSU had too many men on the field, one guy had to get off in order to not get a penalty. The guy JOGGED off the field, and jogging might be giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 30, 2017 21:04:14 GMT -5
I watched most of the BC v. FSU game on Friday. The Eagles are much, much better than they've been in past years. Their defense is legit, and their young QB is mobile and can throw. Tailgate will be fun in Chestnut Hill, at the very least! The number of freshmen and sophomores starting for the Eagles is very impressive and I'm afraid that may mean that they should be even better next year. This will be the best team we've played in over 30 years (Flutie's BC teams), and we'll be in the rebuilding phase given our very large graduating group of players. Not good.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 29, 2017 19:39:06 GMT -5
BC QB Darius Wade is leaving to play his 5th yr at a TBD school.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 29, 2017 19:52:31 GMT -5
BC QB Darius Wade is leaving to play his 5th yr at a TBD school. He'd be back on the bench at BC following the return of injured starter Anthony Brown (excellent redshirt Frosh) next year so it is a smart move. (BC has received two grad transfers the last five years at QB so Wade has been on the other side of this move before.) Any chance he'll go FCS for a chance to show his stuff? Maybe he'll convince true frosh and star running back A.J. Dillon to come with him
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Post by breezy on Dec 29, 2017 20:27:01 GMT -5
Off-Topic but a quick aside.
Watching the Northwestern - Kentucky bowl game. Northwestern ahead by 7 points and has a 4th-and-1 on its own 34 yard line. Instead of punting, Northwestern tries a QB sneak and comes up a few inches short. Kentucky gets the ball and scores a TD to pull within 1 point with 35 seconds left in the game. Kentucky tries for a 2-point conversion but a pass falls incomplete. Brought back memories of HC this past season -- going for it on 4th down against Lafayette and going for the 2-point conversion during overtime against Dartmouth.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 30, 2017 8:15:22 GMT -5
...Army / San Diego State also brought back memories of the Dartmouth game. Army scored right at the end of regulation, went for two (they were down 1) and made it. Most of Army's "defense" was holding on to the ball; SD State's Rashaad Penny gained 221 yards on only 14 carries.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 30, 2017 8:25:43 GMT -5
BC QB Darius Wade is leaving to play his 5th yr at a TBD school. He'd be back on the bench at BC following the return of injured starter Anthony Brown (excellent redshirt Frosh) next year so it is a smart move. (BC has received two grad transfers the last five years at QB so Wade has been on the other side of this move before.) Any chance he'll go FCS for a chance to show his stuff?Maybe he'll convince true frosh and star running back A.J. Dillon to come with him If he is a graduate transfer, he does not have to sit out a season so one would think he would look to land a starting job at another FBS school. If he's still an undergrad, he would have to sit out a year to be eligible at another FBS. In that case, he would likely go FCS to play right away.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 30, 2017 9:12:54 GMT -5
Aware of the Grad v Undergrad and FCS v FBS eligibility issues. Agree with your take. We'll see if an FBS offers him. And if so, if he likes his chances to start. Otherwise he'll look for an FCS starting role. (FCS Stony Brook was lucky enough to have 3 former BC Eagles on their roster this year, two came as undergraduate transfers and one came as a graduate student). URI (FCS) was fortunate to bring in UCF graduate student Tyler Harris as its starting quarterback this year.
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Post by unhfan on Dec 30, 2017 9:27:11 GMT -5
The classic little brother vs. big brother game. If your Holy Cross take the pay check attempt to keep it competitive and don’t get hurt.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 30, 2017 9:31:03 GMT -5
Agree but my distinct impression is that Bob Chesney will be going into this game thinking he will (not "can") win it. He may be like the bumble bee that has been proven can't fly but just doesn't know it and does.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 30, 2017 11:09:22 GMT -5
The talent disparity is so great at this point it will be tough to watch IMHO. Although we got knocked around quite a bit the last few times we played (last four times by 30+ points - I was an eyewitness), we did have a few players on the field who could start for them. Heck, Pete Muldoon turned them down to play for us and we had a few of our guys from those years drafted into the NFL. Not any more. They are simply recruiting a completely different level of player.
Don't see an upside for HC (v playing another Ivy or CAA game). I guess the convoluted dream is that somehow this will lead to better recruits for us in the long run which will help us win the Patriot consistently and go on a run in the playoffs and return us to national relevance.
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Post by crossbball13 on Dec 30, 2017 11:19:33 GMT -5
The talent disparity is so great at this point it will be tough to watch IMHO. Although we got knocked around quite a bit the last few times we played (last four times by 30+ points - I was an eyewitness), we did have a few players on the field who could start for them. Heck, Pete Muldoon turned them down to play for us and we had a few of our guys from those years drafted into the NFL. Not any more. They are simply recruiting a completely different level of player. Don't see an upside for HC (v playing another Ivy or CAA game). I guess the convoluted dream is that somehow this will lead to better recruits for us in the long run which will help us win the Patriot consistently and go on a run in the playoffs and return us to national relevance. Respectively disagree. If you don't see the HC advantages to playing this game, you really don't have a clue (sorry to be harsh but its true). If Gilmore was marching into Alumni in September, I'd be disinterested in the game because I would know the outcome. I'm really excited to see how Chesney handles himself in an ultra high stress situation. I'm even more excited to see a new QB (please be Degenhardt) take the snaps (Gilmore's biggest fault was pegging his career to Peter). I think we'll see some trickery (onsides kicks early on) at BC. I'm excited about the game. If you're not, then that's your own personal problem of which I have no care to solve. There will be tons of excitement about this game. We get a paycheck. Sorry you're wrong here. My purple glasses have been in the trash for some time now too - unbiased. Everywhere in September 17: *BC is so bad -- they can't wait to fire Adazzio and move on and re-build -- HC game should be a good one next year *HC is actually pretty good-- should have beat Uconn, blanked Bucknell and smoked a good UNH team-- BC game should be a good one next year Everywhere in December 17: *BC is very talented. Upper half of the ACC. Should destroy HC easily - don't even mark it on the calendar *HC is awful. TG Fired. Blanked at Yale, Smoke by Colgate at Home. Discord on the Lafayette clueless 4th and 1. Should drop football possibly (after building the Luth no less) Ebbs and flows. They will be down again. We will be up again. 100% new kids every 4-5 years. Relax. If there is any program headed upwards at HC, I'd say its football. Again, unbiased.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 30, 2017 11:29:24 GMT -5
The talent disparity is so great at this point it will be tough to watch IMHO. Although we got knocked around quite a bit the last few times we played (last four times by 30+ points - I was an eyewitness), we did have a few players on the field who could start for them. Heck, Pete Muldoon turned them down to play for us and we had a few of our guys from those years drafted into the NFL. Not any more. They are simply recruiting a completely different level of player. Don't see an upside for HC (v playing another Ivy or CAA game). I guess the convoluted dream is that somehow this will lead to better recruits for us in the long run which will help us win the Patriot consistently and go on a run in the playoffs and return us to national relevance. Respectively disagree. If you don't see the HC advantages to playing this game, you really don't have a clue (sorry to be harsh but its true). If Gilmore was marching into Alumni in September, I'd be disinterested in the game because I would know the outcome. I'm really excited to see how Chesney handles himself in an ultra high stress situation. I'm even more excited to see a new QB (please be Degenhardt) take the snaps (Gilmore's biggest fault was pegging his career to Peter). I think we'll see some trickery (onsides kicks early on) at BC. I'm excited about the game. If you're not, then that's your own personal problem of which I have no care to solve. There will be tons of excitement about this game. We get a paycheck. Sorry you're wrong here. My purple glasses have been in the trash for some time now too - unbiased. Don't wait for the BC game in that case, see it the week before v Colgate (or the week after v Yale). Ultra high stress? Trickery? Tons of Excitement? I think this is a goof.
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Post by crossbball13 on Dec 30, 2017 11:49:22 GMT -5
Respectively disagree. If you don't see the HC advantages to playing this game, you really don't have a clue (sorry to be harsh but its true). If Gilmore was marching into Alumni in September, I'd be disinterested in the game because I would know the outcome. I'm really excited to see how Chesney handles himself in an ultra high stress situation. I'm even more excited to see a new QB (please be Degenhardt) take the snaps (Gilmore's biggest fault was pegging his career to Peter). I think we'll see some trickery (onsides kicks early on) at BC. I'm excited about the game. If you're not, then that's your own personal problem of which I have no care to solve. There will be tons of excitement about this game. We get a paycheck. Sorry you're wrong here. My purple glasses have been in the trash for some time now too - unbiased. Don't wait for the BC game in that case, see it the week before v Colgate (or the week after v Yale). Ultra high stress? Trickery? Tons of Excitement? I think this is a goof. "Ultra high stress? Trickery? Tons of Excitement? I think this is a goof." Which part isn't true? *We're playing at an ACC school - you don't think we might find out what Chesney is made of that week? *I've admittedly only watched 1 Chesney coached football game and it was the game they lost to Indiana (PA). They had an early onsides kick (perhaps two if memory serves me) and had many "trick plays". How are you confused by this? *Again, at an ACC school. Against (DARE I SAY IT) a historical rival. But you'll tell us how HC is more akin to a community college now. We're starting a new QB (and if its the sophomore - a *** recruit at QB). Would love to hear how that game isn't exciting. ___ Oh and I don't have to wait for the BC game you say? Oh joy! Can you please pay for my 4 hour uber back and forth to Hamilton to see it in person. What's your venmo? Comparing the Colgate game/talent/atmosphere to BC's is akin to (DARE I SAY IT?) comparing HC's admissions statistics to Harvard's. Quite different, but you knew that. ___ You saying the same thing over and over and over is a goof. Pride: HC sucks at every sport; HC is easy to get into; HC is now competitive with the likes of Stonehill rather than BC. Etc Etc Etc. I think I covered all your bases. You can now take the day off.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 30, 2017 12:17:14 GMT -5
@ crossbball13 said:Respectively disagree. If you don't see the HC advantages to playing this game, you really don't have a clue (sorry to be harsh but its true). If Gilmore was marching into Alumni in September, I'd be disinterested in the game because I would know the outcome. I'm really excited to see how Chesney handles himself in an ultra high stress situation. I'm even more excited to see a new QB (please be Degenhardt) take the snaps (Gilmore's biggest fault was pegging his career to Peter). I think we'll see some trickery (onsides kicks early on) at BC. I'm excited about the game. If you're not, then that's your own personal problem of which I have no care to solve. There will be tons of excitement about this game. We get a paycheck. Sorry you're wrong here. My purple glasses have been in the trash for some time now too - unbiased. Don't wait for the BC game in that case, see it the week before v Colgate (or the week after v Yale). Ultra high stress? Trickery? Tons of Excitement? I think this is a goof. "Ultra high stress? Trickery? Tons of Excitement? I think this is a goof." Which part isn't true? *We're playing at an ACC school - you don't think we might find out what Chesney is made of that week? *I've admittedly only watched 1 Chesney coached football game and it was the game they lost to Indiana (PA). They had an early onsides kick (perhaps two if memory serves me) and had many "trick plays". How are you confused by this? *Again, at an ACC school. Against (DARE I SAY IT) a historical rival. But you'll tell us how HC is more akin to a community college now. We're starting a new QB (and if its the sophomore - a *** recruit at QB). Would love to hear how that game isn't exciting. ___ Oh and I don't have to wait for the BC game you say? Oh joy! Can you please pay for my 4 hour uber back and forth to Hamilton to see it in person. What's your venmo? Comparing the Colgate game/talent/atmosphere to BC's is akin to (DARE I SAY IT?) comparing HC's admissions statistics to Harvard's. Quite different, but you knew that. ___ You saying the same thing over and over and over is a goof. Pride: HC sucks at every sport; HC is easy to get into; HC is now competitive with the likes of Stonehill rather than BC. Etc Etc Etc. I think I covered all your bases. You can now take the day off. Patriot League Network will allow you to see the Colgate game without actually going to Hamilton, NY.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 30, 2017 13:14:12 GMT -5
I’m hoping BC’s starting qb is the kid from Wellesley High who started against ND at Fenway a couple years ago.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 30, 2017 14:06:31 GMT -5
Once again, the timing of the resumption of this series couldn't be worse i.e. BC trending up while we are in rebuilding-mode...just like ending the series when we did was poor timing...in my heart of hearts, I think we would have won in 1987 as BC was a bit down that year.
Anyone who envisions a close game next is more delusional about HC sports than I am. Maybe by year 3 of the Chez regime, but next year will be a glorified scrimmage in many ways.
Regardless, very pleased that we are playing BC again.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 30, 2017 14:40:00 GMT -5
It is a win win game. We get attention, play an P5 opponent . We will be heavy dogs and any performance exceeding a 40-0 loss will be a benefit. Depth will be telling but Hungry HC players can show they “belong.” Anyone who thinks the players don’t want these games is crazy and/or never played. We also win by the paycheck. Really looking forward to this one and bring my young son to his first HC game.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 30, 2017 14:53:47 GMT -5
It is a win win game. We get attention, play an P5 opponent . We will be heavy dogs and any performance exceeding a 40-0 loss will be a benefit. Depth will be telling but Hungry HC players can show they “belong.” Anyone who thinks the players don’t want these games is crazy and/or never played. We also win by the paycheck. Really looking forward to this one and bring my young son to his first HC game. +1 I’m amazed that there is even a discussion about this game being anything but a great thing for HC.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 30, 2017 15:09:56 GMT -5
Hard to believe you'd have to be about 40 (at least) today to have any semblance of a memory of an HC-BC football game. If you were a freshmen in 1986 at HC, you'd be pushing or already at the big 5 oh...the eternal question of "Where in Christ's name does all the time go???"
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