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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 21:35:27 GMT -5
It's a very odd format...far too may teams (24), the "regionalization" of the format makes it very imbalanced....it's really not "sour grapes" here...it just doesn't have the feel of a national championship format imo....in theory, I can see why some like this...i.e. it's determined on the field and not by pollsters etc...but it's just so dragged out and to a great degree, dominated by states/schools that don't have FBS-level programs. Whatever, I'd still prefer to play the Ivy winner in a bowl-game somewhere than the 4 or 5 game tournament against mostly mid-tier state schools. Say hello to the bad guy  |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 6, 2017 8:50:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the PL was left at the proverbial "altah" about 25 years ago on that one.
Bowl game this year would have been a rematch of the Yale/Lehigh bloodbath. Maybe the Bulldogs would have gone for the Ivy scoring record.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2017 11:46:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the PL was left at the proverbial "altah" about 25 years ago on that one.
Bowl game this year would have been a rematch of the Yale/Lehigh bloodbath. Maybe the Bulldogs would have gone for the Ivy scoring record.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 6, 2017 14:47:39 GMT -5
How about an annual Turkey Bowl game with Assumption in lieu of the NCAA playoffs for both squads?
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2017 15:42:17 GMT -5
How about an annual Turkey Bowl game with Assumption in lieu of the NCAA playoffs for both squads? Yes. And the winner of the NESCAC v Ivy JV game could play the Worcester Champion (winner of the Turkey Bowl) for the United New England Football Cup. |
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 6, 2017 22:12:40 GMT -5
If my count is correct, the Pioneer League has now gotten an FCS playoff win in two of the three seasons it was been post season eligible, with USD accounting for all of the NCAA appearances. I've watched a few USD games -- They do not belong in the Pioneer League. They've made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs two seasons in a row now. They absolutely destroy the teams in conference that they play. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 6, 2017 23:36:24 GMT -5
If my count is correct, the Pioneer League has now gotten an FCS playoff win in two of the three seasons it was been post season eligible, with USD accounting for all of the NCAA appearances. I've watched a few USD games -- They do not belong in the Pioneer League. They've made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs two seasons in a row now. They absolutely destroy the teams in conference that they play. Not a whole lot of places for them to go due to FCS geography. Big Sky already at 13 teams plus Idaho dropping down from the Sun Belch so unlikely they're looking to expand. Funny to think about but the Patriot League would probably be the next best fit. To them, travel would be a wash - actually less travel some years because an eight-team Patriot League would involve only three road games every other year. And for us, it would be one West Coast trip every other year. The PL scholarship/redshirt situation would seem to be a better fit for USD than the Big Sky. |
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 6, 2017 23:39:50 GMT -5
I've watched a few USD games -- They do not belong in the Pioneer League. They've made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs two seasons in a row now. They absolutely destroy the teams in conference that they play. Not a whole lot of places for them to go due to FCS geography. Big Sky already at 13 teams plus Idaho dropping down from the Sun Belch so unlikely they're looking to expand. Funny to think about but the Patriot League would probably be the next best fit. To them, travel would be a wash - actually less travel some years because an eight-team Patriot League would involve only three road games every other year. And for us, it would be one West Coast trip every other year. The PL scholarship/redshirt situation would seem to be a better fit for USD than the Big Sky. Agree with you on all points. They would be very competitive in the Patriot League at this point. Talk about a team whose made some incredible coaching hires. |
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Post by hc87 on Dec 9, 2017 16:23:15 GMT -5
Shocker...the Dakota States (UNH is down 28-0 to SDSU) and JMU are in the Final 4 again. (4th participant will be between Kennesaw St-Sam Houston St) The FCS playoffs are like the MIAA tennis playoffs with Duxbury, Dover-Sherborn, Winchestah etc annually (I wondah why???) winning titles. Point being....is this really something we want to be a part of? |
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Post by hc87 on Dec 9, 2017 18:40:49 GMT -5
I dunno...I don't want to say we can nevah beat these teams...but North Dakota St and JMU are essentially FBS schools in terms of support/following etc....they both should be FBS actually....is is really worth (going thru the playoffs) to meet up with them ultimately?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2017 19:01:16 GMT -5
Yes, if we can get there.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2017 23:17:05 GMT -5
Semifinals today:
North Dakota St 55 Sam Houston St 13
James Madison 51 South Dakota St 16
YAWN
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Post by hcpride on Dec 17, 2017 5:37:49 GMT -5
This time of year I don't find the minor bowls or the FCS playoffs riveting. Unless I've got some sort of a connection to the game. (I almost watched a bit of the ND-SHSU game just to see the SHSU offensive coordinator in action but it seems I did not miss much.) Saw part of JMU game - their speed was overwhelming. When we are back in the playoffs I'll tune in for a whole game.
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Post by bikeman on Dec 17, 2017 9:06:29 GMT -5
Togo,s. We get it. You don't like the FCS playoffs. Make sure you stay home, lock yourself in your room and watch the Hallmark channel when HC makes the playoffs. I will be excited and will find it very interesting.
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 17, 2017 9:45:31 GMT -5
Not a whole lot of places for them to go due to FCS geography. Big Sky already at 13 teams plus Idaho dropping down from the Sun Belch so unlikely they're looking to expand. Funny to think about but the Patriot League would probably be the next best fit. To them, travel would be a wash - actually less travel some years because an eight-team Patriot League would involve only three road games every other year. And for us, it would be one West Coast trip every other year. The PL scholarship/redshirt situation would seem to be a better fit for USD than the Big Sky. Agree with you on all points. They would be very competitive in the Patriot League at this point. Talk about a team whose made some incredible coaching hires. Just reviewed this thread this morning Had a recent conversation with a '72 alum in San Diego; he was the admissions officer at USD that dealt with the football program in the Pioneer league; he said that standards were not compromised for the recruits. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 17, 2017 10:14:00 GMT -5
Semifinals today: North Dakota St 55 Sam Houston St 13 James Madison 51 South Dakota St 16 YAWN SDSU with what HAS to be an FCS playoff record 10 turnovers in the loss. Threw six picks and lost 4/4 fumbles. Talk about a rough day! JMU-NDSU is "just what the doctor ordered" as far as viewership and attendance and Frisco are concerned. JMU going for perfect 15-0 season. |
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Post by ncaam on Dec 17, 2017 12:07:05 GMT -5
Those schools wasting their time in FCS
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 17, 2017 12:59:42 GMT -5
Those schools wasting their time in FCS Has to be a matter of time before JMU joins Conference USA -- according to some, they have an open invite. Just a matter of whether or not TPTB at the school think it's the right move for the school. NDSU is the only Dakota school that would consider moving up. Issue is geography -- they would be an outpost in either the MWC or MAC, the two possible FBS landing spots for them. Not sure how much marginal gain there is for moving up from the top of FCS to a G5 conference. For those who think the FCS playoffs are "anti-climactic", check out a December 16th bowl game in a half-empty stadium. |
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 17, 2017 14:18:41 GMT -5
Agree with you on all points. They would be very competitive in the Patriot League at this point. Talk about a team whose made some incredible coaching hires. Just reviewed this thread this morning Had a recent conversation with a '72 alum in San Diego; he was the admissions officer at USD that dealt with the football program in the Pioneer league; he said that standards were not compromised for the recruits. [ well, I know my brother’s grades so I can say with pretty good certainty that a ~ 3.0 / 1100 will get you in. He definitely wouldn’t have gotten into Holy Cross. Although, he did do a PG year at Worcester Academy. |
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Post by lou on Dec 17, 2017 14:29:46 GMT -5
Different standards perhaps, but not compromised
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 17, 2017 14:35:21 GMT -5
Different standards perhaps, but not compromised Sure. I’m pretty sure the only standard there would be making it past NCAA clearinghouse. No real reason / way for a standard to be compromised. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 6, 2018 14:32:34 GMT -5
Bump- ND State/JMU game on now. Place (capacity low 20s) full or nearly full, which is in line with the bottom quarter of the bowls for sure (I don't trust too many of those attendance numbers either, lots of empty seats in many places).
Much louder crowd too than a lot of those games.
I think if I wanted to commit some major crime in ND today would be a good day to do it...can't be anyone left in that state.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 6, 2018 14:44:40 GMT -5
Having been in North Dakota once (or twice?  ), I think you could probably commit a major crime on any day and get away with it. They are good people there - "salt of the earth." Wouldn't recommend it though you could skip to Canada easily for a getaway.  |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 6, 2018 15:42:58 GMT -5
The Bison end the Dukes 26 game winning streak, 17-13. Not particularly impressed with either team, though I only watched intermittently. Impressed with the NDSU fanbase however.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 6, 2018 15:47:02 GMT -5
JMU's weakness (offense) this year finally caught up to them. Their 'D" has played well all year - speed/athleticism on that side of the ball has been their strength.
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), I think you could probably commit a major crime on any day and get away with it. They are good people there - "salt of the earth." Wouldn't recommend it though you could skip to Canada easily for a getaway. 
