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Post by wheeler5 on Dec 5, 2017 22:07:10 GMT -5
Didn't Nathan Pine get ahead of himself by scheduling FBS BC, Syracuse, Navy, UCONN before being able to win consistently in the Patriot League? Don't mean to sound negative, but wouldn't you agree there's a better than 50/50 chance we're headed for a embarrassing ass-whupping? Pine's gifts as a marketer/promoter/fundraiser are undeniable. Will he show the same talent for the basic blocking and tackling of being an AD, hiring great coaches? For inspiration read this story about Rick Carter's hiring: abcnews.go.com/Sports/tragic-tale-heisman-underdog/story?id=44016559. Keeping Tom Gilmore around years after he should have been let go isn't reassuring. A buddy of mine's son was an offensive line coach under Gilmore, and this kid got the hell out of there after two seasons because of Gilmore's temper. NP's head coach hire will probably determine whether Holy Cross's 121 year football tradition continues. Pine's legacy will depend on it. Nothing would make us all happier than NP becoming a legendary figure at HC because he returned the football program to glory. He's gifted at fundraising. Let him raise a s***load of money to pay a great coach!
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 22:16:19 GMT -5
Parlor game...what killed Holy Cross football more? Tom Gilmore or the Patriot League?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2017 22:22:26 GMT -5
You're just not going to stop are you? Crusader football was at its apex before TG was hired, right? He personally deep-sixed the program, right? Just stop the total nonsense. PLEASE!
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 22:29:24 GMT -5
It's an interesting argument...Gilmore had the chance to redeem himself in a scholarship-PL, failed miserably.
The PL gutted HC football in the late 80s/early 90s.....
I'd still go with with our entrance into the PL....it's hurt the school in so many ways imo.
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 5, 2017 22:37:15 GMT -5
We have some great competition on our schedule per this entire boards request over the last several years.
We outplayed and should have beaten UConn - So far we're 1/4 in my opinion with regard to successful 1A Games.
Let's judge these 1A games one at time. As of right now scheduling these games has been the right move.
We are awaiting the news of our next Head Coach - We could potentially be days away from getting a great hire.
Is the point of this board just to continue to harp on past negative aspects of the program just for misery's sake?
The only aspect of the program that hasn't changed (Schedule, Coach) is the administration - And honestly, that's probably the biggest question mark that remains for me at this point.
I think we need to take it one play at a time until we have reason not to.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 5, 2017 22:40:29 GMT -5
Thanks a million wheeler for the hanging curve to 87. Been down this path before. MANY times.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 22:43:31 GMT -5
I don't disagree...the PL (i'd prefer CAA) is probably where we should be today in college football.
The thing is, we should be at a much higher level in basketball....think GTown, Villanova or even Fordham....we completely dropped the ball there, and in so doing, really hurt the school in terms of a national brand.
To disagree, is to have your head in the sand imo.
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Post by realism on Dec 5, 2017 22:46:56 GMT -5
NP's head coach hire will probably determine whether Holy Cross's 121 year football tradition continues. Pine's legacy will depend on it. Nothing would make us all happier than NP becoming a legendary figure at HC because he returned the football program to glory. He's gifted at fundraising. The more probable scenario is for ADNP to use his fundraising gift, "overseeing the birth of Luth" as his ticket out of Holy Cross. And that will come before it's widely accepted that he has had no solution for bringing H.C. football back, or improving anything else performance-wise. Nada. Best guess is after the 2019 fb season, regardless of who the coach is, ADNP will be seen as 'the AD-emperor who has no performance clothes."
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 22:54:30 GMT -5
The thing is...I think Pine "gets it".....he may not be able to get the wins, but Holy Cross just playing BC again is a victory in itself....we may lose 44-3 to BC but it's bettah than beating Bryant 31-28 imo...it is what it is
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 5, 2017 22:55:48 GMT -5
It's an interesting argument...Gilmore had the chance to redeem himself in a scholarship-PL, failed miserably. The PL gutted HC football in the late 80s/early 90s..... I'd still go with with our entrance into the PL....it's hurt the school in so many ways imo. It's absolutely not an interesting argument. The most interesting thing about it is why someone with zero Holy Cross Football affiliation is unable to restrain themselves from re-starting the same exact conversation on a near daily basis. A situation that has already been changed. It's insufferable.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 22:59:59 GMT -5
With all due respect 6sader7....I have many more years with HC football than you do....maybe not on the gridiron itself but check yourself
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 5, 2017 23:13:54 GMT -5
With all due respect 6sader7....I have many more years with HC football than you do....maybe not on the gridiron itself but check yourself Check myself? I think you’re the one who needs to get a bit of a grip here. “With Holy Cross Football” How many coaches, players, athletic administration are you close to? You’re not “with” them you watch them, complain about them, criticize them. They don’t know who you are... you may want to think about that from time to time.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 23:23:39 GMT -5
It is what is...I know some of the kids playing (Kutscheke's, Degenhardt's etc) because I knew their fathers at HC....
I wouldn't want to know this failed football staff ovah the last few years....
You're the "Johnny come lately"....my Dad and Uncle played at HC in the 1940s and 1950s.....I've been rooting for HC since the early 1970s.....
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 5, 2017 23:31:42 GMT -5
It is what is...I know some of the kids playing (Kutscheke's, Degenhardt's etc) because I knew their fathers at HC.... I wouldn't want to know this failed football staff ovah the last few years.... You're the "Johnny come lately"....my Dad and Uncle played at HC in the 1940s and 1950s.....I've been rooting for HC since the early 1970s..... It’s baffling that you think your age and fandom somehow provides you with more solidarity than my participation and experience. Then again, I’m baffled by the vast majority of your comments. Thank you for all your sacrifice and dedication to the program...
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2017 23:38:59 GMT -5
Hey...I could have played football at Holy Cross during the PL-era....not that much of an accomplishment.
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 5, 2017 23:59:47 GMT -5
Hey...I could have played football at Holy Cross during the PL-era....not that much of an accomplishment. Per usual, you’re embarrassing yourself. I’ll leave you to it though...
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 6, 2017 0:04:10 GMT -5
Mom, they're fighting again!!
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Post by hc87 on Dec 6, 2017 0:04:13 GMT -5
HC football has embarrassed itself from 1991 on...not your fault, but it is what it is.
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Post by joe on Dec 6, 2017 6:49:31 GMT -5
Hey...I could have played football at Holy Cross during the PL-era....not that much of an accomplishment. Yah. Right. And I could have played for Nortre Dame. Shoulda coulda woulda. Don’t argue with a player 87. You can’t win. By the way this statement by you is arrogant, ignorant, and disrespectful. “Not that much of an accomolishment?” Are you insane? You obviously have no clue what it takes to get through an HC education and play football at the same time. Your HS parallels don’t even come close. The guys from the 90s bled and sweat just like the guys before and after them. And getting s**t on by know-it-all armchair quarterback jerks like you that turned a lot of them off to HC and to Worcester. There’s another fact to chew on, moron. P.S. You don’t know whose reading this board, so take caution in your tone.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 6, 2017 6:58:00 GMT -5
Didn't Nathan Pine get ahead of himself by scheduling FBS BC, Syracuse, Navy, UCONN before being able to win consistently in the lowly Patriot League? Don't mean to sound negative, but wouldn't you agree there's a better than 50/50 chance we're headed for a embarrassing ass-whupping? Pine's gifts as a marketer/promoter/fundraiser are undeniable. Will he show the same talent for the basic blocking and tackling of being an AD, hiring great coaches? For inspiration read this story about Rick Carter's hiring: abcnews.go.com/Sports/tragic-tale-heisman-underdog/story?id=44016559. Keeping Tom Gilmore around years after he should have been let go isn't reassuring. A buddy of mine's son was an offensive line coach under Gilmore, and this kid got the hell out of there after two seasons because of Gilmore's temper. NP's head coach hire will probably determine whether Holy Cross's 121 year football tradition continues. Pine's legacy will depend on it. Nothing would make us all happier than NP becoming a legendary figure at HC because he returned the football program to glory. He's gifted at fundraising. Let him raise a s***load of money to pay a great coach! I think we are all still trying to recover from the embarrassment of that UConn game. It was their men vs our boys. Anyone who watched even 2 minutes of that game could see that we didn't even belong on the same field as them, and I think the final score (27-20) clearly indicated that.
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Post by td128 on Dec 6, 2017 7:03:24 GMT -5
Further evidence how this board and selected posters provide endless amounts of comic entertainment.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2017 7:13:52 GMT -5
'87 - The glory days of the Carter/Duffner era have come and gone. Just as the Cousy days and the Vicens/Potter days have come and gone. We are not going to again be a national IAA power in football or a national power in basketball. Ever.
If it is any comfort, I am sure University of Chicago grads had a lot of difficulty putting the Amos Alonzo Stag, Jay Berwanger (first Heisman winner), and Big Ten membership behind them. BTW that is an example of a strong academic school that downsized to club and then D-III and it has worked out quite well I'd say. Wouldn't shock me if HC does that at some point (along with an attempted return to a stronger academic brand) or even goes the BU/Northeastern route (as it has worked out quite well for them too).
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Post by bigfan on Dec 6, 2017 7:21:43 GMT -5
I think that scheduling BC was done by the previous AD. I think that Pine is doing a fabulous job, let's give the man a break.
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Post by breezy on Dec 6, 2017 7:22:19 GMT -5
Further evidence how this board and selected posters provide endless amounts of comic entertainment. In my view, it is sad rather than comic.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2017 7:33:30 GMT -5
Didn't Nathan Pine get ahead of himself by scheduling FBS BC, Syracuse, Navy, UCONN before being able to win consistently in the lowly Patriot League? Don't mean to sound negative, but wouldn't you agree there's a better than 50/50 chance we're headed for a embarrassing ass-whupping? Pine's gifts as a marketer/promoter/fundraiser are undeniable. Will he show the same talent for the basic blocking and tackling of being an AD, hiring great coaches? For inspiration read this story about Rick Carter's hiring: abcnews.go.com/Sports/tragic-tale-heisman-underdog/story?id=44016559. Keeping Tom Gilmore around years after he should have been let go isn't reassuring. A buddy of mine's son was an offensive line coach under Gilmore, and this kid got the hell out of there after two seasons because of Gilmore's temper. NP's head coach hire will probably determine whether Holy Cross's 121 year football tradition continues. Pine's legacy will depend on it. Nothing would make us all happier than NP becoming a legendary figure at HC because he returned the football program to glory. He's gifted at fundraising. Let him raise a s***load of money to pay a great coach! I think we are all still trying to recover from the embarrassment of that UConn game. It was their men vs our boys. Anyone who wants to even 2 minutes of that game could see that we didn't even belong on the same field as them, and I think the final score clearly indicated that. We definitely "won ' the first half. Unfortunately the game had a second half which we 'lost" 20-0. For a final score of 27-20. Then we shut out Bucknell and then destroyed UNH and then... implosion.
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