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Post by hc87 on Dec 14, 2017 23:42:58 GMT -5
We'll see....Lee Hull done dirty imo.
Dude is absolutely devastated over this....Chesney better be damn good to get this position over a fellow Sader.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 14, 2017 23:50:55 GMT -5
I won't....not going to share what Lee told me today....but he is absolutely dumbfounded on why we went the way we did.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 15, 2017 0:05:13 GMT -5
Chesney’s first big test is NLI day on 2/7.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 15, 2017 5:36:43 GMT -5
Chesney’s first big test is NLI day on 2/7. Agreed. Little he can do abut about the new early signing period (December 20th) except encourage current verbal commits to sign. Should not be an issue. Perhaps an unexpected recruit (offered but not a verbal commit) will take the plunge 12/20. It would be very nice if we can at least keep pace with our Patriot rivals on next week's signing day (in terms of numbers/quality) and then work like crazy to outpace them on 2/7. I don't think it is reasonable to expect the Holy Cross 12/20 group to outshine our rivals given the circumstances. Coach Chesney may have a lot of ground (numbers/quality) to make up by 2/7 on the recruit front.
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Post by alum on Dec 15, 2017 7:54:01 GMT -5
We'll see....Lee Hull done dirty imo. Dude is absolutely devastated over this....Chesney better be damn good to get this position over a fellow Sader. I don't have a problem with you being loyal to a friend and classmate. In fact, I would expect nothing less. That said, I think that your position on this hire is inconsistent with all of your other commentary. You never shy away from telling us that the decisions to not join the Big East and to join the Patriot League were incredible blunders and proof of an administration that has wasted the College's reputation. Now, you think that being a "fellow Sader" should have been a tie breaker or more in this decision. That doesn't make any sense. In fact, although I think Hull would have been a good coach, I would place him behind Malone (as well as Bill McGovern who apparently was not interested) in a list of alums who could be considered for this job. Lee Hull has a .500 record in two seasons as a head coach and was fired from his last NFL job. He has never been a coordinator. If NP wanted to take a chance on him, that would be OK by me, but I think we have to stop pretending that we would have been lucky to get him FWIW--I am assuming that Cramsey played NP for a bit of a fool and am still unhappy about that but it will only be a problem if it caused verbal commits to reconsider. We will never know for sure so I am moving on and am now excited about Coach Chesney.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 15, 2017 7:56:28 GMT -5
Re: Coach’s father: I played a little bit in PA before my HC days. I played with a guy from Mt. Carmel HS, who probably was there a few years pre Chesney’s Dad. He said that he never played a home game in front of a crowd less than 10k! That’s real HS football!
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Post by Ray on Dec 15, 2017 7:59:34 GMT -5
So Chesney Sr would be our version of Monte Kiffin? I'm ok with that.
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Post by joe on Dec 15, 2017 8:08:02 GMT -5
Having hired a coach who is an HC alum would have been a nice bit of frosting on the cake, but in no way, shape or form, would translate to more wins for HC football. Plain and simple. Other than being able to relate to old alumni, there is no "inside knowledge" about HC football that can't be learned/gleaned from reading online, talking to alumni, and simply having been an acute student of the game of college football, simple for any smart coach and achievable within a couple months of taking the helm. Chesney, being from Worcester, probably already has an equivalent fund of knowledge. By the way, Peter Vaas was an alum, and Dan Allen was a coaching alum. Any questions?
In terms of the others, Lee Hull is a journeyman position coach, Terry Malone obviously a nice guy too, but no head coaching credentials of any import, and other than Reno, Chesney was the superior candidate of the 4 rumored finalists. There were no others, to my knowledge, so any attempt at comparisons to anyone from a "mythical" pool of candidates gets us nowhere.
Are we going to have to listen to disagreement over this hire for the next however many years or can we all agree to give the new coach his time to show his stuff? Are we going to complain ad nauseum if we lose to Colgate and/or BC? Is every mistake that happens going to be because "Chesney has no D1 experience and is over his head?" By giving him a chance I mean 4-5 years, barring any obvious missteps. I'm sure we'd all appreciate/expect a period of adjustment and a graduated series of expectations from any employer is we changed our jobs, no?
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Post by spenser on Dec 15, 2017 8:10:46 GMT -5
We'll see....Lee Hull done dirty imo. Dude is absolutely devastated over this....Chesney better be damn good to get this position over a fellow Sader. I know. It was his dream job. Good guy and a good coach. I feel badly, but like the hire.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 15, 2017 8:12:28 GMT -5
Look, I'm the guy who happened to see and posted about Chesney's father as an assistant at Assumption. His father may well have been his mentor and a major reason for his success. If Hurley left URI and came to Holy Cross, how many would object if he brought his father along as an assistant despite him having no college coaching experience? Chesney's father seems well qualified and if he decides to bring his father along, I'm better than OK with that. Many years ago I was given great advice on hiring someone - "look for success patterns." Both Chesney and his father have that. Let me repeat from my earlier post his qualifications: Bob Chesney, Sr., returns for his fifth season in 2017 and will serve as the program's assistant linebackers coach and academic coordinator. The father of Assumption head coach Bob Chesney, he came to Assumption after serving as an assistant coach at Salve Regina University. As an assistant for the Seahawks, he worked first as the defensive line coach and then most recently as the running backs coach. Chesney, Sr. brings 38 years of coaching experience to Worcester, including 21 as head coach. Prior to his time at Salve Regina, Chesney served as head coach at Mount Carmel Area High School in Pennsylvania – the winningest team in the state of Pennsylvania. Chesney began his coaching career at North Schuylkill H.S. in 1971 and spent the next 27 years coaching at the high school level, highlighted by head coaching stints at Shamokin Area H.S. (1982), Our Lady of Lourdes Regional H.S. (1983-97), and North Schuylkill (1999-2001). He has also coached collegiately at Susquehanna University (1998), Delaware Valley College (2002), and King's College (Pa.) (2003-05).
A 1971 graduate of Lycoming College, And, he's a young guy [by my standards, anyway ] And bonus points for being an experienced teacher who as "academic coordinator" can make sure our players' grades stay up to snuff.
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Post by spenser on Dec 15, 2017 8:14:05 GMT -5
Having hired a coach who is an HC alum would have been a nice bit of frosting on the cake, but in no way, shape or form, would translate to more wins for HC football. Plain and simple. Other than being able to relate to old alumni, there is no "inside knowledge" about HC football that can't be learned/gleaned from reading online, talking to alumni, and simply having been an acute student of the game of college football, simple for any smart coach and achievable within a couple months of taking the helm. Chesney, being from Worcester, probably already has an equivalent fund of knowledge. By the way, Peter Vaas was an alum, and Dan Allen was a coaching alum. Any questions? In terms of the others, Lee Hull is a journeyman position coach, Terry Malone obviously a nice guy too, but no head coaching credentials of any import, and other than Reno, Chesney was the superior candidate of the 4 rumored finalists. There were no others, to my knowledge, so any attempt at comparisons to anyone from a "mythical" pool of candidates gets us nowhere. Are we going to have to listen to disagreement over this hire for the next however many years or can we all agree to give the new coach his time to show his stuff? Are we going to complain ad nauseum if we lose to Colgate and/or BC? Is every mistake that happens going to be because "Chesney has no D1 experience and is over his head?" By giving him a chance I mean 4-5 years, barring any obvious missteps. I'm sure we'd all appreciate/expect a period of adjustment and a graduated series of expectations from any employer is we changed our jobs, no? Despite above, I absolutely agree with your last paragraph. He deserves time. The program is, shall we say, not healthy. It will take some time. People must give it to him. It’s only fair.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 15, 2017 8:21:19 GMT -5
Don't worry, spenser. While you are a relatively new poster, it is a long-established tradition on Crossports to allow each new head coach time to "get all his own guys" before we criticize him. That means Chesney has 4-5 years before you will hear anything negative. Trust me.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 15, 2017 8:26:31 GMT -5
Are we going to complain ad nauseum if we lose to Colgate and/or BC? Is every mistake that happens going to be because "Chesney has no D1 experience and is over his head?" From "we"? No. From one postah? Yes.
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Post by spenser on Dec 15, 2017 8:38:51 GMT -5
Don't worry, spenser. While you are a relatively new poster, it is a long-established tradition on Crossports to allow each new head coach time to "get all his own guys" before we criticize him. That means Chesney has 4-5 years before you will hear anything negative. Trust me. Right. Whatever you say.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 15, 2017 8:40:08 GMT -5
Year 1 likely to be a rebuilding year. Clock management was extremely poor under Gilmore/Rock regime. We will be able to evaluate CC under this criteria in year 1.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2017 8:46:50 GMT -5
(1) Are we going to have to listen to disagreement over this hire for the next however many years or can we all agree to give the new coach his time to show his stuff? (2) Are we going to complain ad nauseum if we lose to Colgate and/or BC? (3) Is every mistake that happens going to be because "Chesney has no D1 experience and is over his head?" By giving him a chance I mean 4-5 years, barring any obvious missteps. I'm sure we'd all appreciate/expect a period of adjustment and a graduated series of expectations from any employer is we changed our jobs, no? Of course, we know that for several posters the answer to all three questions is "YES". This will be combined with side bars about how ADNP is incompetent and/or that he botched this hire. I'm excited about this hire--a young guy with a very impressive record of success as a head coach--and I'm going to give him a chance to prove himself. I think the future is bright for Crusader football.
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 15, 2017 8:47:29 GMT -5
you don't need 4 or 5 yrs to determine if someone is 'in over his head'... but it might be 4 or 5 yrs before you can act if that is the case... I expect that ADNP focused on this in evaluating FCBC... this doesn't mean that he won't have a learning curve in some phases of this job, like recruiting
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Post by hcpride on Dec 15, 2017 9:08:57 GMT -5
Are we going to have to listen to disagreement over this hire for the next however many years or can we all agree to give the new coach his time to show his stuff? Are we going to complain ad nauseum if we lose to Colgate and/or BC? Is every mistake that happens going to be because "Chesney has no D1 experience and is over his head?" By giving him a chance I mean 4-5 years, barring any obvious missteps. I'm sure we'd all appreciate/expect a period of adjustment and a graduated series of expectations from any employer is we changed our jobs, no? Despite above, I absolutely agree with your last paragraph. He deserves time. The program is, shall we say, not healthy. It will take some time. People must give it to him. It’s only fair. Your diplomatic language to describe what should be obvious (but sometimes is not) to all of us is appreciated. IMHO, those of us who realize this know we are not a 'tweak' or a lucky bounce away from being a successful football program. We may be a tweak or lucky bounce away from 'contending for the Patriot League title' (whatever the heck that means) but that is far from our real goal.
Our real goal, as restated in the hiring announcement, is: .... "bringing Holy Cross football back to a position of prominence on the national stage.” In other words regain our long-lost position as an FCS power. That will indicate a successful program. Coach Chesney will have work to do and it will take several years for the program to turn around.
(There was never any doubt in my mind that a very successful high level DII coach could lead a middling team in a very weak FCS conference to success.)
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Post by cmo on Dec 15, 2017 9:09:54 GMT -5
We'll see....Lee Hull done dirty imo. Dude is absolutely devastated over this....Chesney better be damn good to get this position over a fellow Sader. Would he come as an OC?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 15, 2017 9:15:00 GMT -5
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Post by purplenurple on Dec 15, 2017 9:20:51 GMT -5
A co-worker came up to me saying, "you went to Holy Cross right"? I replied "yes" and he responded "you just hired a great football coach".
He had played under Chesney at Salve Regina and said he was a great coach, motivator, and defensive mind.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2017 9:22:34 GMT -5
Are we going to complain ad nauseum if we lose to Colgate and/or BC? Is every mistake that happens going to be because "Chesney has no D1 experience and is over his head?" From "we"? No. From one postah? Yes. When we talk about complainers, there are one or two posters who seem quite adept at that...no matter the facts or circumstances. In one case, if we saw Jesus walk on water we would get at least one post complaining he was "just too lazy to swim."
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 15, 2017 9:37:32 GMT -5
you don't need 4 or 5 yrs to determine if someone is 'in over his head'... but it might be 4 or 5 yrs before you can act if that is the case... I expect that ADNP focused on this in evaluating FCBC... this doesn't mean that he won't have a learning curve in some phases of this job, like recruiting Learning curve?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 15, 2017 9:45:11 GMT -5
We'll see....Lee Hull done dirty imo. Dude is absolutely devastated over this....Chesney better be damn good to get this position over a fellow Sader. Done dirty? LOL.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 15, 2017 9:45:14 GMT -5
Look, I'm the guy who happened to see and posted about Chesney's father as an assistant at Assumption. His father may well have been his mentor and a major reason for his success. If Hurley left URI and came to Holy Cross, how many would object if he brought his father along as an assistant despite him having no college coaching experience? Chesney's dad may be a fine coach, but please do not compare him to a Naismith Hall of Fame coach with 50 years of unprecedented success as a high school coach
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