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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 19, 2017 21:19:34 GMT -5
Good move retaining Chris Smith and DiMichael.
They both have HC Football DNA, were great players, and know how to coach.
I think that coach Chesney getting their buy-in and excitement also goes a long way.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2017 21:20:26 GMT -5
You've been a great addition to the board, coach. Thank you for your input.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2017 21:25:58 GMT -5
I have heard DiMichele and Smith are very well liked and respected by the players. They aren't coordinators, so Chesney would still be able to bring in "his guys" for the OC and DC roles. I think keeping both of them on the staff would seriously help with the transition to the Chesney era.
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Post by joe on Dec 19, 2017 21:30:08 GMT -5
“At Salve Regina, I had never been a head coach,” Chesney said, “and you heard, ‘You can’t possibly do it, kid,’ and we did it. At Assumption, it was, ‘This is Division 2. You can’t do it, kid,’ and we did it. I haven’t been at a Division 1 school, so I can’t possibly do it, correct? To that I say, we’ll just see about that.”
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Post by breezy on Dec 19, 2017 21:31:20 GMT -5
No guarantee that any of the current assistants will be retained as Chesney builds his staff, but I'll repeat myself and say that I very much hope that Smith, DiMichele, and Noonan are retained. They are some key recruiters.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 19, 2017 21:52:04 GMT -5
Barese is one of the names, obviously. I’m wondering if he’ll go for the head job at Assumption. I have heard that’s a real possibility. If he ends up at HC, very good coach and an EXCELLENT recruiter. Contrary to what people may believe, recruiting is the same at every level, what changes is the caliber of athlete. If you have a good product to sell (yes) and the ability to talk to people, you can recruit. Barese is a stud. Canaan is an excellent special teams coach and has recruiting ties in the south (speed!). Coach--I'm the least expert member of the board when it comes to football, but I've always suggested that recruiting (for any sport/school) is a matter of selling, i.e. being able to persuade others. I'm encouraged by your comments on how recruiting works
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 19, 2017 21:54:22 GMT -5
No guarantee that any of the current assistants will be retained as Chesney builds his staff, but I'll repeat myself and say that I very much hope that Smith, DiMichele, and Noonan are retained. They are some key recruiters. Dilly dilly! They bring Holy Cross and D1 experience that will be extremely useful for the new staff, particularly if Barese and Canan are brought on, as Jen Toland notes. While I love Chesney's quote about what "they" were saying when he got to Salve and when he got to Assumption, this isn't just a leap to D1 scholarship football, but also a leap to a school with some significant unique factors at play (most notably in admissions and the players' time commitment to the classroom when they are on campus). Any experience that he can add from that department will be very helpful.
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Post by cmo on Dec 19, 2017 21:54:30 GMT -5
No guarantee that any of the current assistants will be retained as Chesney builds his staff, but I'll repeat myself and say that I very much hope that Smith, DiMichele, and Noonan are retained. They are some key recruiters. They are all staying on
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 19, 2017 22:04:35 GMT -5
Just back from the basketball game and 45 and I were at the press conference and met Coach Chesney. Don't have a lot of time to write as I must be up early tomorrow.
Suffice it to say that he is the real deal and his positive attitude is the kind that can be contagious. Got to meet both his wife (very nice) and his dad (who would be a great addition to the staff IMHO with his PA high school contacts - his residence is still in PA).
If you saw the press conference, you heard him say that he could not speak yet about assistants nor recruits in detail.
All the arrows are pointing in the right direction. Young, energetic, positive and knowledgeable (with a track record of success) coach, outstanding facilities and told by those in the know that admissions has been letting up on the stranglehold the last couple of years and there might be some more leeway going forward. There seems to be a total commitment to the success of the football program.
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Post by coach on Dec 19, 2017 22:21:55 GMT -5
Barese is one of the names, obviously. I’m wondering if he’ll go for the head job at Assumption. I have heard that’s a real possibility. If he ends up at HC, very good coach and an EXCELLENT recruiter. Contrary to what people may believe, recruiting is the same at every level, what changes is the caliber of athlete. If you have a good product to sell (yes) and the ability to talk to people, you can recruit. Barese is a stud. Canaan is an excellent special teams coach and has recruiting ties in the south (speed!). Coach--I'm the least expert member of the board when it comes to football, but I've always suggested that recruiting (for any sport/school) is a matter of selling, i.e. being able to persuade others. I'm encouraged by your comments on how recruiting works That’s exactly what it is. If you believe in your product and can relate to/connect with people, you can be a good recruiter. I was once at a school where I could no longer, in good faith, tell a kid it was the best choice for him...I left. You have to believe in your school and it’s mission. I believe you will witness a significant uptick in recruiting.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 19, 2017 22:31:55 GMT -5
Again...I'll support Chesney, but let's see if he can actually do a good job recruiting/coaching-wise before we anoint him the best thing since sliced bread.
The gushing ovah this guy is approaching embarrassing imo....yes he's young, energetic, has a cool haircut and wears sunglasses on the sidelines...can he beat Colgate, give BC a decent game? We shall see.
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 19, 2017 22:38:52 GMT -5
Again...I'll support Chesney, but let's see if he can actually do a good job recruiting/coaching-wise before we anoint him the best thing since sliced bread. The gushing ovah this guy is approaching embarrassing imo....yes he's young, energetic, has a cool haircut and wears sunglasses on the sidelines...can he beat Colgate, give BC a decent game? We shall see. I'm still trying to figure out why you so frequently follow and post to this board....
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Post by hc87 on Dec 19, 2017 22:42:36 GMT -5
Again...I'll support Chesney, but let's see if he can actually do a good job recruiting/coaching-wise before we anoint him the best thing since sliced bread. The gushing ovah this guy is approaching embarrassing imo....yes he's young, energetic, has a cool haircut and wears sunglasses on the sidelines...can he beat Colgate, give BC a decent game? We shall see. I'm still trying to figure out why you so frequently follow and post to this board.... Seriously? So this board always has to be ice cream and lollipops? I post to this board because I have followed HC sports for 40+ years....it is ingrained in my DNA to be a Holy Cross fan...I'm not anti-Chesney...just being realistic...maybe he will be a good/great coach at HC...we don't know yet.
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 19, 2017 23:15:31 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why you so frequently follow and post to this board.... Seriously? So this board always has to be ice cream and lollipops? I post to this board because I have followed HC sports for 40+ years....it is ingrained in my DNA to be a Holy Cross fan...I'm not anti-Chesney...just being realistic...maybe he will be a good/great coach at HC...we don't know yet. Sure - I guess I've mentioned this before, but I'm just always surprised how confident you are with your hot takes given that you have zero experience playing or coaching college football. I'm certainly not interested in ice cream and lollipops (as evidenced by my criticism of several aspects of the program), but I also don't feel the need to weigh in and negatively speculate on every thread just for the sake of maintaining my image as the poster board curmudgeon. It's very hard if not impossible for someone with your level of experience to be "realistic" -- No one needs to be reminded of your mom's cousin's brother at Bentley who won a D2 game in 1997 or whatever...
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Post by hc87 on Dec 19, 2017 23:24:49 GMT -5
Seriously? So this board always has to be ice cream and lollipops? I post to this board because I have followed HC sports for 40+ years....it is ingrained in my DNA to be a Holy Cross fan...I'm not anti-Chesney...just being realistic...maybe he will be a good/great coach at HC...we don't know yet. Sure - I guess I've mentioned this before, but I'm just always surprised how confident you are with your hot takes given that you have zero experience playing or coaching college football. I'm certainly not interested in ice cream and lollipops (as evidenced by my criticism of several aspects of the program), but I also don't feel the need to weigh in and negatively speculate on every thread just for the sake of maintaining my image as the poster board curmudgeon. It's very hard if not impossible for someone with your level of experience to be "realistic" -- No one needs to be reminded of your mom's cousin's brother at Bentley who won a D2 game in 1997 or whatever... Yeah....OK....if you played football at Holy Cross when it was actually a serious endeavor, I may take your input in a more important manner.....Holy Cross really hasn't played football at a level most alumni would like to see since 1991...it's not your fault, you just played football at Holy Cross when hardly anyone cared
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Post by HC92 on Dec 19, 2017 23:31:34 GMT -5
Seriously? So this board always has to be ice cream and lollipops? I post to this board because I have followed HC sports for 40+ years....it is ingrained in my DNA to be a Holy Cross fan...I'm not anti-Chesney...just being realistic...maybe he will be a good/great coach at HC...we don't know yet. Sure - I guess I've mentioned this before, but I'm just always surprised how confident you are with your hot takes given that you have zero experience playing or coaching college football. You really need to give up this argument. Disagree with hc87 or anyone else all you want. However, having been an offensive lineman at HC does not give you any more right to have an opinion than anyone else. There may be topics where your perspective will be different and perhaps even more valuable than someone else’s. Make your points and folks can decide what value to assign to them. The fact that hc87 did not play football at HC in no way invalidates his thought that we should not coronate Chesney before he has signed a recruit or coached a game. I am very bullish on Chesney, likely for the same reasons you are. Unless you tell me you’ve studied a bunch of Assumption tape and love their zone blocking scheme, your confidence in Chesney based on his record and some sound bites isn’t really entitled to any greater weight than anyone else’s.
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Post by Ray on Dec 20, 2017 0:24:32 GMT -5
Again...I'll support Chesney, Starting when, exactly? Because we haven't seen any evidence of that from any of your posts to date.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 20, 2017 6:44:07 GMT -5
Spot on, 92. Having met Chesney and seen his pattern of prior success, I think he will also have great success at Holy Cross but anyone who wants to wait to see what his team produces on the field is not wrong either.
And, no, one need not have played to have an opinion - a valid opinion.
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2017 7:12:55 GMT -5
One can see it both ways, and it’s really about perspective. 87 is a die hard FAN of HC football but one with no real experience with the team or any D1/1AA team, yet he/she often (not always) talks from what sounds like a self-imagined inside perspective, and with a certain air of unearned experience that ticks people off. Furthermore the backhanded compliments and veiled manner in which he belittles the players from pretty much every era of HC football other than those from the various runs of dominance shows his ignorance. It's a generally condescending tone, and is insulting to the intelligence of these individuals.
You’d get a lot more former players to post on this board if not for posters like 87.
I suggest 87 consult the alumni directory or pick a few random players out of the all-time letter winner list from an old media guide and voice his complaints without the shield of the internet and have an open discussion about all things HC football. He can bring some friends.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 20, 2017 9:28:38 GMT -5
An interesting idea, Joe.
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Post by crusader12 on Dec 20, 2017 10:13:52 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference and man I'm fired up. Just fire RSIG and we will be all set!!!!
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2017 10:20:26 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference and man I'm fired up. Just fire RSIG and we will be all set!!!! I like the guy too. Had my doubts initially, being completely ignorant to AC football, but I remained open minded. He could have gone in a lot of different directions with is comments yesterday during the various interviews, but his responses were really spot on. He gets it. No matter the backstory, in the end this is a good hire for Pine.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 20, 2017 10:23:25 GMT -5
One can see it both ways, and it’s really about perspective. 87 is a die hard FAN of HC football but one with no real experience with the team or any D1/1AA team, yet he/she often (not always) talks from what sounds like a self-imagined inside perspective, and with a certain air of unearned experience that ticks people off. Furthermore the manner in which he belittles pretty much every era of HC football other than those that existed during the various runs of dominance shows his ignorance about a lot of things. You’d get a lot more former players to post on this board if not for posters like 87. I suggest 87 consult the alumni directory or pick a few random players out of the all-time letter winner list from an old media guide and voice his complaints without the shield of the internet and have an open discussion about all things HC football. He can bring some friends. Since when have I hid behind an internet shield? The vast majority of people here know who I am and with a little research, it's not too difficult to figure out who I am. No, I didn't play football at HC, but my brother did and I have a lot of friends from my years on the Hill who did. I have the utmost respect for those that have played football at HC but to say that one can't have an opinion on the football program because they didn't practice on top of Mt St James is ridiculous. As for former players opinions (not all but many) on the state of the football program today...I think you may find it illuminating on how poorly many see where the program has gone since they left the Hill in the 1980s. Much of that former player disinterest in HC football in the last 25 or so years is due to institutional failure in many ways (PL restrictions/non-scholarship for many years, admission issues, no FBS (or BC) games for many years etc etc....hopefully many of these issues continue to be worked on and improved in the Chesney era.
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2017 10:36:42 GMT -5
I don't want to derail this otherwise optimistic and positive thread any further. We can agree to disagree.
Hey how about that Bob Chesney guy! Seems like just what HC needs. Love the youthful energy and focus on collaboration, and openness to suggestions (players, other coaches, administration), which is a very modern approach to leadership. I like how he is going to build and O and D around the skill sets of the current players, rather than try to force players to adapt to a certain scheme if their skill sets are not a good match. This is not something the last three coaches at HC tried, at least to any meaningful degree, Vaas the most notable of the group (Power-I from day 1 with a run and shoot roster). Could be a smart move to further engage and excite the players.
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Post by crusader12 on Dec 20, 2017 12:08:57 GMT -5
Also liked how ADNP addressed the family: "Welcome to the CRUSADER Family!"
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