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Post by HC92 on Dec 19, 2017 17:39:19 GMT -5
Liked what I heard from Chesney. I think he will do very well in the living room on recruiting visits.
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Post by captainkarl on Dec 19, 2017 17:42:24 GMT -5
Liked what I heard from Chesney. I think he will do very well in the living room on recruiting visits. Coach Bobby Chez's career record at HC should be listed at 1 & 0 cuz he just won that Press Conference folkkssss
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 19, 2017 18:03:15 GMT -5
Will the presser be on the goholycross.comwebsite?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 19, 2017 18:07:07 GMT -5
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 20, 2017 10:12:43 GMT -5
Thanks. He's definitely going to move us forward!
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 20, 2017 12:27:00 GMT -5
Liked what I heard from Chesney. I think he will do very well in the living room on recruiting visits. Have not seen the press conference yet but had the same thought as I watched the Q&A.
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Post by alumnusdad on Dec 20, 2017 19:41:52 GMT -5
Tom who?
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Post by rickii on Dec 21, 2017 15:57:22 GMT -5
As an aside, how tall is Coach ? Have never met Pine but he's either 6'3" or Chesney is 5'9".
And yes, I'm sure many have noticed the striking difference in personality between Chesney and Gilmore.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 21, 2017 16:29:29 GMT -5
As an aside, how tall is Coach ? Have never met Pine but he's either 6'3" or Chesney is 5'9".
And yes, I'm sure many have noticed the striking difference in personality between Chesney and Gilmore. I've met Nate Pine and don't think he is 6-3. So I'll go with Coach Chesney being 5-10 or thereabouts
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 21, 2017 16:42:28 GMT -5
Since I met him, I used to be 5’10” in college but now at annual physicals I top out at 5”9 - 5’ 9.5” and Coach Chesney was basically eye to eye with me, I would say he is between 5’ 9” and 5’ 10”.
I would guess Nate is 6’ 2”.
I do outweigh our new coach and despite slimming down, I am still “larger “ than too many of our RBs.
IIRC, Chesney was a DB when he played and I’d be his playing weight 8-10 years ago was not more than 170 lbs. His lack of size is made up in the size of his heart and enthusiasm.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 21, 2017 17:01:07 GMT -5
Waiting for the Cap'n to weigh in here...
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Post by lou on Dec 21, 2017 17:17:42 GMT -5
As an aside, how tall is Coach ? Have never met Pine but he's either 6'3" or Chesney is 5'9".
And yes, I'm sure many have noticed the striking difference in personality between Chesney and Gilmore. Talked to Gilmore a few times, seemed personable off the field, bleeds purple and all that. How does Chesney differ?
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Post by ncaam on Dec 21, 2017 17:50:15 GMT -5
As an aside, how tall is Coach ? Have never met Pine but he's either 6'3" or Chesney is 5'9".
And yes, I'm sure many have noticed the striking difference in personality between Chesney and Gilmore. Talked to Gilmore a few times, seemed personable off the field, bleeds purple and all that. How does Chesney differ? I agree. FCTG had an excellent personality for recruiting. It's clock management and late game decision making that brought him down. Compare Chesney to ADNP and CBC. Now there's a chasm. I believe Chesney has the personality all our coaches should have.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 21, 2017 17:53:19 GMT -5
A discussion on how tall Ches is? Am I on a TMZ message board?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 21, 2017 18:05:11 GMT -5
I can tell you that TG still "bleeds purple" and has good things to say about new coach Bob Chesney. He wants nothing but success for his old team and Holy Cross. Perhaps I have seen a different side of him over his 14 years than others and I recognize that as an alum, not one of his players, our relationship was probably very different. I also know a number of folks in the administration/staff also still have a very high opinion of TG as a person but the bottom line is wins and losses when you are a head coach and Tom didn't get enough Ws to continue.
While I came to know TG pretty well over 14 years, I can only give first impressions of BC. The adjective "enthusiastic" is common to both. I also think that both feel attention to detail is critical and both, despite no prior connection to Holy Cross, seem to have internalized the mission and value of Holy Cross and are 100% "in." The big difference seems to be that TG was from day one, "intense" while BC seems to be a little more laid back. Hopefully, that difference will play well with the players. I posted once before that a former player of TGs told me that TG told him, and presumably others, that he knew he was tough on the players but that he was doing that so that they would be prepared for life after football and that when they ran into adversity after Holy Cross, they were better prepared to handle it. Not every player responds to that mentality.
We have to remember that TG was at HC 14 years. When you think about it, he wasn't a lot older than BC is now when he first arrived. He was a young and up and coming coach with his whole future ahead of him. Difference was TG was long time assistant at the IL/PL level while BC was head coach at D-3 and D-2 level. Let's see how that transition goes. I think it will go well as some of the many obstacles TG faced over the years have been ameliorated. I am confident he will do well. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 21, 2017 19:43:59 GMT -5
Talked to Gilmore a few times, seemed personable off the field, bleeds purple and all that. How does Chesney differ? I agree. FCTG had an excellent personality for recruiting. It's clock management and late game decision making that brought him down. Compare Chesney to ADNP and CBC. Now there's a chasm. I believe Chesney has the personality all our coaches should have. I’m not so sure that TG had a passion for recruiting as you suggest. While he “bled purple” at a level rivaled only by RW in terms of our recent coaches and ADs, he’d rather watch hours of film than pound the phones recruiting. I can see Chesney being a lot more comfortable in the “sales motion” of recruiting. But you do make a great point about how different Chesney is from ADNP and CBC. This was really driven home during the press conference, when Nate flipped through a binder while reading a press release, and then Chensey immediately followed with an excellent, detailed, intelligent “speech” that was from the heart and required hardly a look at his notes. It was very, very impressive.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 24, 2017 22:14:22 GMT -5
RW, an excellent coach, never bled purple.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 24, 2017 22:56:03 GMT -5
Not that it mattahs but I've heard that too. Heard that his time at HC (hoop-wise anyway) wasn't optimal..didn't get along with Donohue etc. I'm sure his time as head coach changed his impression somewhat of alma mater...but he did leave us in a lurch when he went to "help" Ricky P at the Ville. As for Gilmore, only met a few times at reunions etc...but I was never impressed with his personality...came across as gruff, almost anti-social etc. It is what it is...just the impression I got of the guy ovah the years.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 24, 2017 23:12:23 GMT -5
As for Gilmore, only met a few times at reunions etc...but I was never impressed with his personality...came across as gruff, almost anti-social etc. It is what it is...just the impression I got of the guy ovah the years. This is actually the exact opposite of what I have heard from former players, and personally observed after getting to know TG fairly well over the years. I don't think that an anti-social guy who doesn't get along with others would be invited to many of his former player's weddings over the years.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 24, 2017 23:45:56 GMT -5
As I said...depends on the person....he (Gilmore) just struck me, from the limited interactions we had, as not being very personable etc.
Doesn't make him a bad guy (or a bad coach)...just the impression I had of him.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 25, 2017 0:13:41 GMT -5
I and my wife got to know TG pretty well. He was not gruff. My wife doesn't care for gruff people and she thought, and still thinks, very highly of Tom. And he absolutely bled purple.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 25, 2017 0:29:23 GMT -5
Ok, whatever....I think it's generally agreed Chesney will hopefully be a much bettah "face" for the HC program than Gilmore was.
The Gilmore-era is thankfully ovah (imo)...I applaud the loyalty he has had here from some postahs but he simply wasn't the right guy for the job moving forward.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 25, 2017 1:07:05 GMT -5
OK, 87, "whatever," give it a rest now, please, as a Christmas present for the rest of us. You had "limited interactions" with TG. I obviously had more. You don't think he was "personable" and while I will admit he was no Bill Gibbons and no one was more personable as a coach than Jack Donohue, he has a lot more personality than Carmody or Willard and at least as good as Milan. But those names should demonstrate that the guy with the most personality is not necessarily the best or most successful coach. Look at Belichick as prime example.
I'm not sure if it is a chicken or the egg situation. You've made clear you wanted TG gone. Did you convey that to him explicitly or implicitly. Maybe that's why he wasn't very personable with you.
Chesney will probably be a better face for the program within the Worcester community for the ties he's already made while at Assumption. I am sorry that Tom is gone but I am happy that Bob Chesney was his replacement. I think both are quality people and will turn out student-athletes that Holy Cross will take much pride in.
Let's stop discussing past coaches whether it be Milan, Tom, Sean, whoever. They are all gone.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 25, 2017 14:16:22 GMT -5
TG was without question one of the most friendly, cordial, and sincere men you could ever meet. Not just at HC, but in life.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 25, 2017 15:08:29 GMT -5
Going for it on 4th down vs Lafayette exposes ctg’s biggest weakness as a coach.
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