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Post by deep Purple on Dec 30, 2017 23:21:57 GMT -5
Watching the Wisconsin/Miami game. They just showed the play from 1946.
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 31, 2017 0:19:10 GMT -5
Just turned to that game before they showed the clip. Didn’t know that the throw hit the HC receiver, bounced off a Miami defender and was caught just before it hit the ground. Then the interceptor weaves his way through several tackles and goes the distance for the TD. What a painful loss! Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory like many Lions games I’ve witnessed over the years.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 31, 2017 9:30:16 GMT -5
Here's a funny thing- different era, but if you took one of Carter or Duffner's teams and played the 1945 schedule, the team most likely goes 8-2, just like that team did.
Swap a loss to Temple and a win vs BC (or maybe at the end of the Bicknell BC era they actually beat the Eagles), a certain loss to UMiami and, voila, 8-2.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 31, 2017 9:53:07 GMT -5
IMHO, comparisons between eras come under the same category as how many angels can stand on the head of a pin.
The older guys won’t like to admit that the players that came after them decades later are enormously bigger, faster and a lot stronger and would likely crush the older teams even if they played in their prime.
While there is a soft spot in my heart for the ‘66 team that went 6-3-1 and beat Dartmouth and BC, I really don’t think they had the physical abilities to beat even a Don Randolph led PL championship team with a line averaging over 300 lbs. much less the Duffner teams.
That is taking nothing away from Lentz, Kiminer and company. It was all downhill from there after they graduated for many decades.
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Post by trimster on Dec 31, 2017 10:04:07 GMT -5
I guess it was a busy night for HC on ESPN because the 1979 hoop game vs BC was a prominent part of the 30 for 30 expose on the point shaving scandal 3 BC was involved in that year. It was interesting to hear BC point guard Jim Sweeney say to an interviewer, “Alumni said to me if you only win one game all year, make sure it’s the Holy Cross game.” Turned out the gamblers lost a lot of money on the game when Ernie Cobb went on a late scoring spree to turn a 10 point BC deficit to the final deficit of 2 points.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2017 12:07:44 GMT -5
IMHO, comparisons between eras come under the same category as how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. The older guys won’t like to admit that the players that came after them decades later are enormously bigger, faster and a lot stronger and would likely crush the older teams even if they played in their prime. While there is a soft spot in my heart for the ‘66 team that went 6-3-1 and beat Dartmouth and BC, I really don’t think they had the physical abilities to beat even a Don Randolph led PL championship team with a line averaging over 300 lbs. much less the Duffner teams. That is taking nothing away from Lentz, Kiminer and company. It was all downhill from there after they graduated for many decades. When I say that the 66 team was better than 87, I do not mean that 66 could beat them in 87 or today. I mean that given the era, non PL vs PL, the 66 team was a better football team.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 31, 2017 12:41:37 GMT -5
Only HC loses its only bowl game like that To continue the argument, I would argue that relative to the rest of the country/East, the 1987 team would have been higher rated their year than the '66 squad then...but I agree, it's very close. Any idea where the HC team finished in the Lambert Trophy voting in 1966?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 31, 2017 13:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2017 13:08:21 GMT -5
Syracuse won the Lambert Trophy in 66. The lambert cup was instituted in 82 for 1AA-FCS I can’t find the voting for 66
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 31, 2017 13:30:33 GMT -5
IMHO, comparisons between eras come under the same category as how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. The older guys won’t like to admit that the players that came after them decades later are enormously bigger, faster and a lot stronger and would likely crush the older teams even if they played in their prime. While there is a soft spot in my heart for the ‘66 team that went 6-3-1 and beat Dartmouth and BC, I really don’t think they had the physical abilities to beat even a Don Randolph led PL championship team with a line averaging over 300 lbs. much less the Duffner teams. That is taking nothing away from Lentz, Kiminer and company. It was all downhill from there after they graduated for many decades. When I say that the 66 team was better than 87, I do not mean that 66 could beat them in 87 or today. I mean that given the era, non PL vs PL, the 66 team was a better football team. Talking to one '66er, he pointed to the caliber of the players they went up against, future pros, 3 all pros on Syracuse, a UBuffalo RB. Lentz had a pro career not just a try out.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 31, 2017 14:18:18 GMT -5
Another thing in terms of eras...for the most part before 65 (I think) college football was one platoon...you couldn't sub freely on every play like now. I think this was something that was kind of an equalizer for a smaller school. Playing time was an issue and you didn't need as many scholarships.
When I was 10 years old, in 1961, I saw Ernie Davis play against BC. Davis scored at least 2 TDs in that game..both pick 6s in the 4th quarter breaking open a 1 point game.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2017 14:44:06 GMT -5
While it did help smaller schools somewhat, One platoon also meant that teams like HC had to face great players like Davis on both sides of the ball
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Post by hc87 on Dec 31, 2017 14:50:30 GMT -5
Syracuse won the Lambert Cup in 66. The lambert trophy was instituted in 82 for 1AA-FCS I can’t find the voting for 66 Picking a nit, but pretty sure you have that backwards
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2017 14:52:30 GMT -5
Syracuse won the Lambert Cup in 66. The lambert trophy was instituted in 82 for 1AA-FCS I can’t find the voting for 66 Picking a nit, but pretty sure you have that backwards Thanks corrected
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 2, 2018 16:59:56 GMT -5
Here's a trivia tidbit from the Orange Bowl: Wisconsin TE Troy Fumagalli is the son of Doug Fumagalli - HC'76, who graced Fitton Field on Ed Doherty's squad. Doug, to my recollection, had all ten fingers.
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