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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 7, 2018 14:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Jan 7, 2018 15:02:23 GMT -5
He also did this each week last year during league play. The poster has also been doing the AU podcasts for years - many of which have provided some interesting info/analysis.
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Post by nhteamer on Jan 7, 2018 17:50:45 GMT -5
The title of this thread is an oxymoron
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 7, 2018 18:03:13 GMT -5
Just need to get this off my chest . . . has it occurred to the folks who whine perpetually about Holy Cross being stuck in the lowly PL that the PL has suffered by having certain perpetually crappy teams in it for the last decade or so? How about this team, for example?
KenPom Ranking, Team X
09-10. 235 10-11. 228 11-12. 224 12-13. 236 13-14. 158 14-15. 242 15-16. 285 16-17. 215 17-18. 315
Guess who.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2018 18:59:36 GMT -5
Just need to get this off my chest . . . has it occurred to the folks who whine perpetually about Holy Cross being stuck in the lowly PL that the PL has suffered by having certain perpetually crappy teams in it for the last decade or so? How about this team, for example? KenPom Ranking, Team X 09-10. 235 10-11. 228 11-12. 224 12-13. 236 13-14. 158 14-15. 242 15-16. 285 16-17. 215 17-18. 315Guess who. After, should this be filed under D (Dragging down the rest of the league), or L (Let's dominate and then get out of this crappy league)?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2018 19:01:09 GMT -5
Or maybe N (Not holding up our end of the bargain)?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 7, 2018 20:10:55 GMT -5
Why people think it's possible to dominate the PL in hoop as it exists now, and then leave for a bettah league, continues to mystify me.
It's going to take a clean break...(if it evah happens)
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Post by bison137 on Jan 7, 2018 20:13:33 GMT -5
Why people think it's possible to dominate the PL in hoop as it exists now, and then leave for a bettah league, continues to mystify me. It's going to take a clean break... Could you explain why the PL keeps HC from being as good as Lehigh or Boston U or Bucknell?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 7, 2018 20:14:34 GMT -5
None of those teams/programs are really that good....sorry
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 7, 2018 21:54:08 GMT -5
None of those teams/programs are really that good....sorry You haven't followed Bucknell since 2004.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 7, 2018 22:01:14 GMT -5
None of those teams/programs are really that good....sorry You haven't followed Bucknell since 2004. Of course I have...nice, regional program...I'm sorry, but no one outside of Greater Lewisburg cares about PL basketball....to think that HC continuing to play in this league will raise our school's national brand or consciousness (hello ADNP) is delusional.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 7, 2018 22:55:00 GMT -5
You would be thrilled if we had accomplished what Bucknell has in that time -- multiple NCAA Tournament wins and an NIT win. How many other mid-majors (and some P5 schools) can say that?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 7, 2018 23:03:29 GMT -5
SoV, you're young so I'll give you a pass....but hardly anyone that either went to HC or followed HC prior to 1990 gives a you know what about HC hoop today...we don't play PC or BC, we are terrible in the league we are in.....it's a mess, the PL for hoop is a tomb we continue to bury ourselves in.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 7, 2018 23:29:01 GMT -5
The PL is holding us back just like the A-10 is holding back Fordham. Maybe Fordham should make a bid to the Big 10 to help advance its program
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Post by hc87 on Jan 7, 2018 23:33:00 GMT -5
Holy Cross basketball should be in either the A-10 or Big East....if you don't believe so, I'd argue you suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 7, 2018 23:42:46 GMT -5
SoV, you're young so I'll give you a pass....but hardly anyone that either went to HC or followed HC prior to 1990 gives a you know what about HC hoop today...we don't play PC or BC, we are terrible in the league we are in.....it's a mess, the PL for hoop is a tomb we continue to bury ourselves in. You dodged my question.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 7, 2018 23:45:36 GMT -5
SoV, you're young so I'll give you a pass....but hardly anyone that either went to HC or followed HC prior to 1990 gives a you know what about HC hoop today...we don't play PC or BC, we are terrible in the league we are in.....it's a mess, the PL for hoop is a tomb we continue to bury ourselves in. If we continue to make lousy coaching hires (as we have done each of the last three times the job was open), it doesn’t matter if we’re in the PL, Big East, NESCAC, Pac 10, Pac 12, or Hockomock - we’re going to be a lousy team. Same goes for people who think we should be in the Hockey East, despite having a coach who can’t even get us remotely close to winning the Atlantic Hockey league.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 7, 2018 23:48:13 GMT -5
SoV, you're young so I'll give you a pass....but hardly anyone that either went to HC or followed HC prior to 1990 gives a you know what about HC hoop today...we don't play PC or BC, we are terrible in the league we are in.....it's a mess, the PL for hoop is a tomb we continue to bury ourselves in. You dodged my question. Which was?
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Post by joe on Jan 8, 2018 6:50:02 GMT -5
I don’t think we’d have to dominate the PL in order to leave the conference. However, if for some reason we somehow actually had that opportunity, what would that look like? Wouldn’t we have the same silly admissions issues, same myopic administration, same apathetic student body? The ducks are not lined up for such a move. If you can’t play your way out of conference you better have those ducks lined up. We don’t even have the ducks to line up at this point.
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Post by bikeman on Jan 8, 2018 7:15:31 GMT -5
Uninteresting games, empty gyms. PL is a perfect fit.
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Post by trimster on Jan 8, 2018 8:38:07 GMT -5
Very good point. The athletic program has lost so many fans and there haven't been any new ones for what, two generations, the once in a blue moon attractive game that comes along doesn't draw anyone. Since those games are generally played at the DCU Center, the arena is embarrassing empty. The programs have no mojo.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2018 8:58:41 GMT -5
For all those who think that Holy Cross and/or the Patriot League is a total failure athletically and has been either since 1) Fr. Brooks decided not to join the Big East or 2) Holy Cross joined the Patriot League and you've expressed, repeatedly, your disgust and disdain for all things athletically at Holy Cross, why do you persist in posting these kinds of comments here?
First, no one on this board has the power to actually change the league affiliation HC is in; nor the admission policy; nor selecting coaches; nor the facilities; nor anything else that would change to what you think is holding the College back from some supposed and mythical standard of athletic excellence. Even in the "glory days" of Fennerty, Lockbaum, Duffner, Carter in football or Ralph Willard in basketball; the days of Cousy, Heinsohn, Pallazi in basketball and Ron Perry, Sr. in baseball were before most of you were born or were in diapers. Those glory days were not a long history of athletic excellence, they were in the big scheme of things usually a run of 5-6 years, not decades. They were always the exception, not the rule to the 100+ years of HC athletics.
So, if all you have to post is about those "glory days" that are never coming back and probably weren't there to begin with, why don't you stop posting and the rest of us will promise we'll let you know when/if we ever join Hockey East for hockey; the New Big East in basketball; or hire Coach K or Belichick after his days with Pats are over, so you can rejoin us with smiles on your faces.
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Post by trimster on Jan 8, 2018 9:24:31 GMT -5
Sader '70 makes some good points but I disagree about basketball. They had a great run from '47 to '61 where they finished in the final AP poll for the season 11 of 14 years. I think we all know about their 2 titles and the 4-5 legit All Americans from that era. I'd say that time period qualifies as Glory Days.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2018 9:26:02 GMT -5
Wish all those who bitch about every single thing would actually bitch to those who can do can do something about it and not regurgitate the same posts day after day here to us who cannot do anything about it. It's extermely tiresome.
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2018 9:34:43 GMT -5
Hopefully TPTB read the Board. There are some good ideas here.
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