jstew
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Post by jstew on Feb 12, 2018 8:55:13 GMT -5
"The scientific evidence linking youth casual sports play to brain injury, brain injury to CTE, and CTE to dementia is not strong." "The case series presented by the Boston University group, primarily due to its ascertainment bias, is weaker than the evidentiary standard sufficient to demonstrate an association or causation and conflicts with pathologic findings in other studies." www.startribune.com/does-cte-call-for-an-end-to-youth-tackle-football/473655913/
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Post by hchoops on Feb 12, 2018 9:48:35 GMT -5
answer to question hopefully
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Post by inhocsigno on Feb 12, 2018 10:18:00 GMT -5
It is all physics. The mass and acceleration in youth sports (especially with weight limits) is not enough to warrant eliminating tackle football. More focus should probably be spent on proper tackling techniques (or alternative techniques, e.g. rugby style).
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Post by hchoops on Feb 12, 2018 10:21:00 GMT -5
i am very happy that my grandsons do not play football
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Post by inhocsigno on Feb 12, 2018 10:23:25 GMT -5
i am very happy that my grandsons do not play football I don't disagree. I played football from about 5/6 on through HC, and I would be pleased if my son does not want to play football. I won't stop him, but I won't encourage it.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 12, 2018 10:27:48 GMT -5
i am very happy that my grandsons do not play football I don't disagree. I played football from about 5/6 on through HC, and I would be pleased if my son does not want to play football. I won't stop him, but I won't encourage it. is that age 5-6 or grade 5-6 ?
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Post by jstew on Feb 12, 2018 10:38:51 GMT -5
"CTE pathology in the brain has been shown by British pathologists to be present in approximately 12 percent of normal healthy aged people who died at an average age of 81 years (Ling et al. Acta Neuropathologica). The presence of CTE pathology in the brain on autopsy has not been shown to correlate with neurologic symptoms before death.
To be clear, CTE pathology could be present in a normal person."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2018 10:40:05 GMT -5
answer to question hopefully The Star Tribune seems acutely concerned about football being on a downward trajectory in popularity. They have had a commentary every few weeks it seems, arguing against hasty legislative decisions that could effect participation. The link posted above reads more like a grant application(s) to underwrite further research The question is really one of prospective liability. The case of the UPenn lineman who committed suicide, www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/sports/14football.htmlshould have, and did in some cases, set off alarm bells. The Ivy League changed its practice rules. Pop Warner made changes. But the timeline between causality and result in someone who is 20 or 21 is not long, and youth leagues and youth league coaches can't afford the cost of future litigation, let alone the damages that might be awarded by a judge or jury. Another Penn player committed suicide five years prior, but that was before CTE was widely known, and there was no autopsy. www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/10/17/u-penn-senior-commits-suicide-kyle/ .
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Post by inhocsigno on Feb 12, 2018 10:43:13 GMT -5
I don't disagree. I played football from about 5/6 on through HC, and I would be pleased if my son does not want to play football. I won't stop him, but I won't encourage it. is that age 5-6 or grade 5-6 ? Age 5 - flag, tackle started about 3rd grade. Informally, growing up in South Florida, the rule was "tag in the street and tackle in the grass" (our streets were bounded by grass medians before the sidewalks (which were the sidelines).
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 12, 2018 10:50:28 GMT -5
"The uncomfortable truth is that tackle football is the number one participation sport among high schoolers in America; it is accessible to children with diverse physiology in ways that other sports are not, and greater public consultation should take place to see if participation rates would remain as high for alternatives to tackle football."
Is this accurate???
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Post by jstew on Feb 12, 2018 10:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by jstew on Feb 12, 2018 10:53:40 GMT -5
I think we've all seen articles like the above. The reason for my posting the subject article is to show that we should not draw conclusions from these types of occurrences. While tragic, there is no definitive link to playing football having caused the suicides. Every researcher is seeking funding as you cited, including the folks at Boston University. Chris Nowinski who runs the 'Concussion Legacy Foundation' draws a tidy six figure sum to run that organization and their goal is to prove, not disprove the CTE link. So there is an agenda on both sides. What I draw from this article is that most headlines do not reflect the scientific evidence that exists (or does not exist). I will not argue that that there isn't a 100% injury rate in football. But I think it should be up to parents to decide what they want for their children. That is, of course, only my personal opinion.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2018 11:28:42 GMT -5
I think we've all seen articles like the above. The reason for my posting the subject article is to show that we should not draw conclusions from these types of occurrences. While tragic, there is no definitive link to playing football having caused the suicides. Every researcher is seeking funding as you cited, including the folks at Boston University. Chris Nowinski who runs the 'Concussion Legacy Foundation' draws a tidy six figure sum to run that organization and their goal is to prove, not disprove the CTE link. So there is an agenda on both sides. What I draw from this article is that most headlines do not reflect the scientific evidence that exists (or does not exist). I will not argue that that there isn't a 100% injury rate in football. But I think it should be up to parents to decide what they want for their children. That is, of course, only my personal opinion. I can appreciate that, but the Star Ledger is being selective in its commentaries. Below are the excerpted findings of an extensive study of donated brains, mostly in brain banks in Florida, where the brains are studied for neurodegenerative disorders. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4655127/The n value is 1,721 men, mainly from the Southeast. All the known athletes were white, except for one Puerto Rican. As the brain bank does not contain brains from individuals who did not have a neurodegenerative disease, the incidence is very likely much higher than it would be in the general population of individuals who played a contact sport. To me, it is not unreasonable to reduce the lifetime number of concussions for those participating in a sport, and if not playing tackle football until you're 14, or not heading the ball in soccer when you're ten, helps achieves that, I think that's a good thing.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 12, 2018 12:15:11 GMT -5
Most dangerous sports for girls....b-ball, equestrian soccer field hockey. Let’s ban them at HC.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 12, 2018 12:15:37 GMT -5
Most dangerous sports for girls....b-ball, cheerleading, equestrian soccer field hockey. Let’s ban them at HC.
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