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Mar 31, 2018 22:29:41 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 31, 2018 22:29:41 GMT -5
Re: QB's and winning we should bear in mind that they don't play defense so half the game (I guess other than interceptions, fumbles, field position) is beyond their influence.
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Mar 31, 2018 22:50:15 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Mar 31, 2018 22:50:15 GMT -5
HC has actually had a fair amount of solid QBs from the 1970s onward...one who is often ovahlooked is Dave Boisture who played in the late 70s/early 80s (son of former head coach Tom)....Dave was a very good passer who played in the USFL.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 1, 2018 0:03:52 GMT -5
HC has actually had a fair amount of solid QBs from the 1970s onward...one who is often ovahlooked is Dave Boisture who played in the late 70s/early 80s (son of former head coach Tom)....Dave was a very good passer who played in the USFL. There's more to the game than just stats, but Dave's stats can't compare to the other HC QBs mentioned: 50.8% completion rate, 9 TD passes vs 27 interceptions, 6.1 yards per attempt...
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Apr 1, 2018 5:16:37 GMT -5
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Apr 1, 2018 5:16:37 GMT -5
HC has actually had a fair amount of solid QBs from the 1970s onward...one who is often ovahlooked is Dave Boisture who played in the late 70s/early 80s (son of former head coach Tom)....Dave was a very good passer who played in the USFL. Dave collected a ring with Baltimore in the USFL iirc while backing up Brian Sipe.
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Apr 1, 2018 6:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 1, 2018 6:32:37 GMT -5
Peter's time of 4.58 for the 40 is faster than any of the 17 QB's that has times listed for the combine on NFL.com. Sam Darnold was 4.85 and Baker Mayfield 4.84 for comparison. Lamar Alexander did not have a time listed. Of course, we know there's more to being a QB than one's 40 time but being fast cannot hurt. Maybe Peter's was hand-timed and the combine was electronic---don't know. He might be 82 but that Lamar Alexander can scoot!
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Post by 78purple on Apr 1, 2018 7:02:00 GMT -5
Jack Lentz was a QB but played safety for the Broncos. Thank you, sader
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 1, 2018 8:48:12 GMT -5
Peter's time of 4.58 for the 40 is faster than any of the 17 QB's that has times listed for the combine on NFL.com. Sam Darnold was 4.85 and Baker Mayfield 4.84 for comparison. Lamar Alexander did not have a time listed. Of course, we know there's more to being a QB than one's 40 time but being fast cannot hurt. Maybe Peter's was hand-timed and the combine was electronic---don't know. He might be 82 but that Lamar Alexander can scoot! Nicely done!! Of course it is Louisville's Lamar Jackson I meant to cite, not the plaid shirt wearing senator from Tennessee
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Apr 1, 2018 10:00:10 GMT -5
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Post by hcgrad94 on Apr 1, 2018 10:00:10 GMT -5
HC has actually had a fair amount of solid QBs from the 1970s onward...one who is often ovahlooked is Dave Boisture who played in the late 70s/early 80s (son of former head coach Tom)....Dave was a very good passer who played in the USFL. There's more to the game than just stats, but Dave's stats can't compare to the other HC QBs mentioned: 50.8% completion rate, 9 TD passes vs 27 interceptions, 6.1 yards per attempt... Please don't let stats and facts get in the way of hc87s Misty water-colored memories of The Way We Were.
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Apr 2, 2018 13:16:46 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 2, 2018 13:16:46 GMT -5
Did not see Ciaccio obviously but Dom and Pujals played under very different circumstances. DR had two very good OC's in Chris Pincice and Mike Pedone. Pujals played under both Andy McKenzie, a disaster, and Brian Rock, who I thought did a decent job. Dom played behind a gigantic offensive line that was one of the best in all of FCS. In our 2009 title year, Chris Smith, Chris Poole, Aaron Jones and Mike McCabe represented 4/5 of the line and had probably 12 seasons of starting experience among them. Poole, Jones and McCabe all appeared in NFL training camps. In 2017, Pujals senior year, a largely veteran O-Line disappointed after holding down the fort pretty well against UConn.
In 2007 & 2008, Dom's most prolific statistical years, we had a receiving corps that was excellent. Our best season under Pujals occurred when we had both Raymond and Flaherty. Look how much trouble our offense had this year without either guy.
During the Randolph years, we also had a very underrated running attack from 2006-2008 with Terrance Gass and Mike Kielt - efficient ball-carriers out of the shotgun who could guarantee 4 YPC while also catching passes out of the backfield. The year we actually won with Dom was the season in which the running game was a weaker point but was also the year he started to effectively run the ball himself, primarily on busted plays. One thing I noticed about PP's 5th year was that TG and Coach Rock did not let him loose carrying the ball like they did the previous 3.5 years. They clearly did not want him to get hurt again. Without looking at the stats, I believe PP was more interception-prone earlier in his career while Dom's TD-INT ratio actually got slightly worse -- in 2009 we had a decent group of receivers but not quite the horses we had the previous 3 seasons. Of course Dom had beyond excellent protection for most of his time in Worcester.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 2, 2018 14:06:08 GMT -5
Did not see Ciaccio obviously but Dom and Pujals played under very different circumstances. DR had two very good OC's in Chris Pincice and Mike Pedone. Pujals played under both Andy McKenzie, a disaster, and Brian Rock, who I thought did a decent job. Dom played behind a gigantic offensive line that was one of the best in all of FCS. In our 2009 title year, Chris Smith, Chris Poole, Aaron Jones and Mike McCabe represented 4/5 of the line and had probably 12 seasons of starting experience among them. Poole, Jones and McCabe all appeared in NFL training camps. In 2017, Pujals senior year, a largely veteran O-Line disappointed after holding down the fort pretty well against UConn. In 2007 & 2008, Dom's most prolific statistical years, we had a receiving corps that was excellent. Our best season under Pujals occurred when we had both Raymond and Flaherty. Look how much trouble our offense had this year without either guy. During the Randolph years, we also had a very underrated running attack from 2006-2008 with Terrance Gass and Mike Kielt - efficient ball-carriers out of the shotgun who could guarantee 4 YPC while also catching passes out of the backfield. The year we actually won with Dom was the season in which the running game was a weaker point but was also the year he started to effectively run the ball himself, primarily on busted plays. One thing I noticed about PP's 5th year was that TG and Coach Rock did not let him loose carrying the ball like they did the previous 3.5 years. They clearly did not want him to get hurt again. Without looking at the stats, I believe PP was more interception-prone earlier in his career while Dom's TD-INT ratio actually got slightly worse -- in 2009 we had a decent group of receivers but not quite the horses we had the previous 3 seasons. Of course Dom had beyond excellent protection for most of his time in Worcester. Dom: 30-13 (.698) Pujals: 17-29 (.369) Pujals was a very nice player and by all accounts an excellent Crusader, but Dom was in a different class, regardless of what the team was like around him.
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Apr 2, 2018 14:21:33 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2018 14:21:33 GMT -5
Gotta agree, and that does not bode well for his pro prospects . (Plus the common sense fact that a Patriot League QB would need to be far and away the best QB in the very weak PL to have a shot...although a good PL QB, Pete was not that)
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Apr 2, 2018 14:29:50 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Apr 2, 2018 14:29:50 GMT -5
I mention Ciaccio because he seemed to have a better blend/mix of throwing/running as a QB than did say Wiley (primarily a passer), Muldoon (more of a running QB...due more to the offense Carter used), Randolph, Columbo, Colin Clapton et. al that I've seen in my 40+ years of HC fandom.
Again, not judging by NFL potential but success (individually and team-wise) as a QB at Holy Cross.
Good luck PP!
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Apr 2, 2018 14:38:27 GMT -5
Post by dharry13 on Apr 2, 2018 14:38:27 GMT -5
Personally - I've never seen more of a competitor/winner than Ciaccio. Entire list is pretty impressive.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2018 14:43:53 GMT -5
I mention Ciaccio because he seemed to have a better blend/mix of throwing/running as a QB than did say Wiley (primarily a passer), Muldoon (more of a running QB...due more to the offense Carter used), Randolph, Columbo, Colin Clapton et. al that I've seen in my 40+ years of HC fandom. Again, not judging by NFL potential but success (individually and team-wise) as a QB at Holy Cross. Good luck PP! 1st team All American QB as an individual accolade and 30-2-1 (irrespective of the competition) as a team record is hard to beat (Ciaccio).
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Post by ncaam on Apr 2, 2018 16:19:59 GMT -5
PP's college stats hurt by no o-line/running game. This seems like the MM debate in basketball. Only a very few of us would have given MM a chance to accomplish what he has accomplished thus far.
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Apr 2, 2018 17:18:12 GMT -5
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 2, 2018 17:18:12 GMT -5
You’ve got to be kidding Wiley 33-3 Discussion over
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Apr 2, 2018 17:47:46 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Apr 2, 2018 17:47:46 GMT -5
To further the hijack....it's very tough, I'd have Ciaccio and Wiley 1 and 1A of HC QBs from 1970-2018. To pick a nit, I don't think Jeff was 33-3 from '85-'88 (though I could be wrong)....though not his fault, didn't we lose a few games with him as a frosh QB in 1985?
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Apr 2, 2018 18:44:52 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Apr 2, 2018 18:44:52 GMT -5
We were able to get great student athletes like that without an AI? How?
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Post by HC92 on Apr 2, 2018 19:20:38 GMT -5
The Ivies were much less generous with their aid back then so a really good and smart football player was likely to take the full scholarship from HC over any competing Ivy offers. That is no longer the case though I suspect we will start beating them more frequently with Chesney and the Luth.
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Apr 2, 2018 19:34:44 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 2, 2018 19:34:44 GMT -5
The Ivies were much less generous with their aid back then so a really good and smart football player was likely to take the full scholarship from HC over any competing Ivy offers. That is no longer the case though I suspect we will start beating them more frequently with Chesney and the Luth. Two sentences that capture the situation perfectly.
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Apr 2, 2018 20:04:02 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2018 20:04:02 GMT -5
The Ivies were much less generous with their aid back then so a really good and smart football player was likely to take the full scholarship from HC over any competing Ivy offers. That is no longer the case though I suspect we will start beating them more frequently with Chesney and the Luth. Two sentences that capture the situation perfectly. Yes. But we were also routinely beating out many other schools (UNH, URI, UMass, BU, Lehigh, Lafayette, etc) for players in the 80's and early 90's. It is true we don't routinely beat out CAA, PL, or Ivy at this point (with exceptions). Realistically, I hope to see us taking more of the CAA players and the top level PL kids with Chesney and the Luth. Forget HYP at this point.
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Apr 3, 2018 14:58:51 GMT -5
Post by td128 on Apr 3, 2018 14:58:51 GMT -5
Video Analysis on Peter Pujals:
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 3, 2018 15:19:47 GMT -5
Thanks for that link. Very interesting analysis of PP. I remember those two plays, but never looked at them in such a detailed way.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 3, 2018 15:21:04 GMT -5
Video Analysis on Peter Pujals: Very, very interesting. I don't know if Mark Schofield is an expert but his analysis sure impressed me--and I like that he thinks highly of our guy.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:29:59 GMT -5
Post by breezy on Apr 3, 2018 16:29:59 GMT -5
For those who did not get to see Tom Ciaccio play -- here's some video highlights from his first start in 1989.
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