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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 26, 2018 15:44:47 GMT -5
We may be overstating who's listening in the first place, particularly on athletics.
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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 26, 2018 16:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 26, 2018 16:45:01 GMT -5
Well, not surprisingly, the answer to my query is, I believe, that conservative alumni, by and large, will tend to view the banishment of the knight as more objectionable than liberal alumni.
If, to this equation one adds the fact (https://www.quora.com/Do-liberals-or-conservatives-give-more-to-charity) that liberals donate less ESPECIALLY to anything religious. Add also the fact that many disgruntled alumni, both left and right (but I believe more conservatives than liberals) will vote with their wallets and donate those dollars to the hundreds of other truly worthy causes.
Well then what we have is fewer donors and fewer dollars. I expect the College to mask this by asking those who agree to this move to consider two or three years of donations in this one year.
We will fall from our lofty 50%, top six in the country pinnacle.
What a shame; all so as not to offend a few snowflakes.
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Post by Sader Fan on Mar 26, 2018 22:14:51 GMT -5
Here is a link to another article critical of HC's decision to abandon the knight: Link to Article |
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Post by hc87 on Mar 26, 2018 22:36:32 GMT -5
Falling heavily on the liberal scale....I still find this a very poor decision.
We are quickly becoming a school with no identity whatsoevah....not academically, not athletically etc.....we are a holding pen for upper middle class kids to spend 4 years and then go off into the world. Maybe it was evah thus....but I don't think so.
There are kids coming out of HC who will still do wonderful things obviously....but we are lost as a school with an identity imo.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2018 22:57:57 GMT -5
Falling heavily on the liberal scale....I still find this a very poor decision. We are quickly becoming a school with no identity whatsoevah....not academically, not athletically etc.....we are a holding pen for upper middle class kids to spend 4 years and then go off into the world. Maybe it was evah thus....but I don't think so. There are kids coming out of HC who will still do wonderful things obviously....but we are lost as a school with an identity imo. Maye you would have a different view if you had children at HC in the last 15 or so years. I certainly do. The essence of the school is the same as when I attended from 63-67. |
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Post by hc87 on Mar 26, 2018 23:11:24 GMT -5
Perhaps....I don't see it though....the quality of kids I taught 25 years ago aren't going or looking at HC as they once were....sad.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 27, 2018 7:27:48 GMT -5
I think you see what you want to see
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Post by alum on Mar 27, 2018 9:05:40 GMT -5
Well, not surprisingly, the answer to my query is, I believe, that conservative alumni, by and large, will tend to view the banishment of the knight as more objectionable than liberal alumni. If, to this equation one adds the fact (https://www.quora.com/Do-liberals-or-conservatives-give-more-to-charity) that liberals donate less ESPECIALLY to anything religious. Add also the fact that many disgruntled alumni, both left and right (but I believe more conservatives than liberals) will vote with their wallets and donate those dollars to the hundreds of other truly worthy causes. Well then what we have is fewer donors and fewer dollars. I expect the College to mask this by asking those who agree to this move to consider two or three years of donations in this one year. We will fall from our lofty 50%, top six in the country pinnacle. What a shame; all so as not to offend a few snowflakes.The Board of Trustees can be found here. catalog.holycross.edu/admin/boardtrusteesDo you honestly believe this group is unable or unwilling to stand up to "snowflakes." I would not call this group a bunch of wussy, liberal, college professor types. I am confident they come from across the ideological spectrum. They are talented and successful men and women who looked at this problem and came up with a solution. They then delegated its execution to the administration. How is the constant use of "snowflakes" and "social justice warriors" any different than Secretary Clinton's idiotic use of the term "deplorables?" You mock those with whom you disagree and refuse to believe that they might have legitimately held beliefs. I'll stop here because if I don't, I am going to violate the political discussion ban. |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 27, 2018 9:24:02 GMT -5
Very well said, alum
I do not understand how name calling advances anyone’s point of view.
and I consider social Justice warrior as a high compliment. Are not Pope Francis, Gandhi, Dr. King, even Jesus social Justice warriors ?
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 10:11:00 GMT -5
I think they are feeling the blowback. Just got an email stating that we are holy cross Crusaders in an email from the school. I deleted it and will unsubscribe.
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Post by hc89 on Mar 27, 2018 10:16:35 GMT -5
I think they are feeling the blowback. Just got an email stating that we are holy cross Crusaders in an email from the school. I deleted it and will unsubscribe. You don’t like our nickname? |
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Post by lou on Mar 27, 2018 10:19:57 GMT -5
I think they are feeling the blowback. Just got an email stating that we are holy cross Crusaders in an email from the school. I deleted it and will unsubscribe. Did you watch and listen before you deleted? Too bad if not, well done. And also in case you missed it, there will be a fund raising event on April 6 |
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 27, 2018 10:30:08 GMT -5
Falling heavily on the liberal scale....I still find this a very poor decision. We are quickly becoming a school with no identity whatsoevah....not academically, not athletically etc.....we are a holding pen for upper middle class kids to spend 4 years and then go off into the world. Maybe it was evah thus....but I don't think so. There are kids coming out of HC who will still do wonderful things obviously....but we are lost as a school with an identity imo.
Are you sure you “fall heavily on the liberal scale?” I ask because when you talk about Holy Cross you remind me of that old joke …
How many Republican’s does it take to change a lightbulb? Six. One to change the lightbulb and five to remember how good the old lightbulb was.
That seems to be all you do is lament what Holy Cross was. I can not recall a time when you applauded what it is.
Perhaps....I don't see it though....the quality of kids I taught 25 years ago aren't going or looking at HC as they once were....sad. I have no reason to doubt that your assessment of the students you teach looking at Holy Cross is an honest assessment. I inferred that you believe that to be the case because the school changed. But there’s another variable in the equation ...
Kids today don't think about college (and their options for college) the same way as they did 25 years ago. Or 35 years ago when you & I were students there. Who changed more? Holy Cross or the prospective students (and their parents) thinking about going to (sending their kids to) a small, liberal arts, Catholic college?
My parents did not insist that all 11 of their children go to a Catholic college, but you can be sure we were all heavily steered that way. 10 of 11 went to Catholic colleges. I put no such criteria on my children. I encouraged them to find the best school fit for them. Catholic parents today are not pushing their kids to find the best Catholic college for their kids.
I'd posit - having had 1 child recently graduate and another one set to graduate from HC next year - your father had a much better case than you do for HC “not being the school” it was when he graduated vs. when you matriculated 30+ years later. Some changes from 1950 to 1983
- Women Students
- No Ratio Studiorum
- No Required Classes. Not even core or distribution requirements.
- Only a 10 - 20 Jesuits teaching out of a faculty of about 150.
- No required Mass Attendance
- A woman chaplain
- Far fewer "Day-hops" – virtually everyone lives at (or around) the College.
- 9 dormitories
- No Curfews
- Not living as a class i.e., freshman thru seniors living in the same dorms
- Keg parties in the dorms (Don't know this for fact, but it's an educated guess that they did not exist in 1950)
- You only have to walk up the hill to see a basketball game, yet no one comes. I can hear your father saying "More students went to Matthews Arena to see HC play BU in February 1949 than were in the Hart Center in February 1984 to see HC play Fordham."
So, what’s your list? What's changed about Holy Cross since 1987? Be specific and provide examples. You may open your Blue Book & begin. 
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Post by Ray on Mar 27, 2018 10:37:16 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Mar 27, 2018 10:38:20 GMT -5
Is that 11th the sibling you don't talk to anymore? |
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 27, 2018 10:38:55 GMT -5
"once we adjust for church attendance and income" What? If two variables are "adjusted" how accurate will the conclusion be?
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 27, 2018 10:44:26 GMT -5
Is that 11th the sibling you don't talk to anymore? Nah. He's cool. We all forgave him.  |
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 27, 2018 11:12:29 GMT -5
I think they are feeling the blowback. Just got an email stating that we are holy cross Crusaders in an email from the school. I deleted it and will unsubscribe. Did you watch and listen before you deleted? Too bad if not, well done. And also in case you missed it, there will be a fund raising event on April 6 Frank V the voice?? |
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Post by lou on Mar 27, 2018 11:31:53 GMT -5
Did you watch and listen before you deleted? Too bad if not, well done. And also in case you missed it, there will be a fund raising event on April 6 Frank V the voice?? Agree |
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Post by ncaam on Mar 27, 2018 11:38:05 GMT -5
Is Frank a poster?
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Post by spenser on Mar 27, 2018 11:44:58 GMT -5
The video is very well done. It sums up why I will be donating on April 6.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 28, 2018 6:10:10 GMT -5
The video is very well done. It sums up why I will be donating on April 6. It also sums up why I am so frustrated with the decision to try to find a middle ground on the Crusader issue. Release that video as our justification for remaining Holy Cross Crusaders in all regards. If people still claim to be offended by Iggy or a picture of a knight with a sword, that’s on them. No need to capitulate but capitulate we did. |
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Post by HC92 on Mar 31, 2018 10:07:40 GMT -5
Lady behind me at my son’s AAU game this morning saw my HC sweatshirt and introduced herself as HC Class of 2000. She then introduced me to her non-alum husband who immediately said, “can you believe that BS about the Crusader?” The blowback is going to be real.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 31, 2018 17:00:30 GMT -5
Just an annus horribilis for HC on and off the playing fields this year....
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