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Post by lou on Mar 26, 2018 10:53:57 GMT -5
It's posters here, not necessarily alums, so we don't know that stat either
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 26, 2018 11:52:33 GMT -5
The 11 "NO" votes on the board are ominous--certainly this is a small sample, but one would think that the alums on this board have been financial supporters of HC as well as HC sports fans. I check the Campaign for Holy Cross periodically. The amount is up to $326 million when I just looked a moment ago, that is up from $310 million a few weeks back when I last looked. (When I looked previously it was after the decision to retain the nickname, and change the depiction of the mascot.) That's the amount with 27 months to go in the campaign.. ________________________________ "I was educated for seven years by men who took unrewarded and indefatigable pains to form the minds and morals of youth. Is it credible that anyone should fail to have some feeling of gratitude toward such teachers." The author of that statement had attended a Jesuit 'high school' in France, and he was speaking of the Jesuits The author became an implacable foe of the Church, and a champion of the rights of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. He became an architect of the Enlightenment. His nom de plume was Voltaire. Some decades later in 1781, when Bishop Cheverus began his studies at the same 'high school', Robespierre was ending his. (By that time, the school was no longer run by the Jesuits, though the Jesuit classical education was maintained.) Robespierre was a scholar of some repute, winning prize after prize in Latin for example. As for Cheverus, President John Adams became a lead subscriber to the building of the Church of the Holy Cross in Boston. Little wonder that there was rapport between Cheverus and Adams. One of the 3,000 volumes in Adam's library. As described in the notes to the collection, the volumes are primarily in English and French, with selected volumes in Latin, Greek, Spanish, Italian, German, and Dutch. A rhetorical question for those who previously gave to HC but who will no longer give, --was the mascot one of the main reasons you gave?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2018 12:02:29 GMT -5
I have always felt very good about giving and proud of being part of an alumni group where over half of all alumni give to their alma mater, a very impressive statistic. Anyone else feel this way? Do you feel differently now? I feel the same. I think more of HC than a knight with a sword
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 26, 2018 12:06:46 GMT -5
It's not "a knight with a sword."
That is a metaphor for the weak defense of our traditions and the tacit acceptance of distorted history.
How will we answer those who are offended by not a knight with a sword but the Cross; cower again?
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 26, 2018 12:19:53 GMT -5
NO. The school is going in a direction I can no longer support.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 26, 2018 12:49:01 GMT -5
The 11 "NO" votes on the board are ominous--certainly this is a small sample, but one would think that the alums on this board have been financial supporters of HC as well as HC sports fans. I check the Campaign for Holy Cross periodically. The amount is up to $326 million when I just looked a moment ago, that is up from $310 million a few weeks back when I last looked. (When I looked previously it was after the decision to retain the nickname, and change the depiction of the mascot.) That's the amount with 27 months to go in the campaign.. ________________________________ "I was educated for seven years by men who took unrewarded and indefatigable pains to form the minds and morals of youth. Is it credible that anyone should fail to have some feeling of gratitude toward such teachers." The author of that statement had attended a Jesuit 'high school' in France, and he was speaking of the Jesuits The author became an implacable foe of the Church, and a champion of the rights of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. He became an architect of the Enlightenment. His nom de plume was Voltaire. Some decades later in 1781, when Bishop Cheverus began his studies at the same 'high school', Robespierre was ending his. (By that time, the school was no longer run by the Jesuits, though the Jesuit classical education was maintained.) Robespierre was a scholar of some repute, winning prize after prize in Latin for example. As for Cheverus, President John Adams became a lead subscriber to the building of the Church of the Holy Cross in Boston. Little wonder that there was rapport between Cheverus and Adams. One of the 3,000 volumes in Adam's library. As described in the notes to the collection, the volumes are primarily in English and French, with selected volumes in Latin, Greek, Spanish, Italian, German, and Dutch. A rhetorical question for those who previously gave to HC but who will no longer give, --was the mascot one of the main reasons you gave? You are making this way more complicated than it actually is. Here's what it boils down to: The school displayed a total lack of leadership in caving to a small group of SJWs on a total non-issue, and people are disgusted.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 26, 2018 13:12:25 GMT -5
And how has that direction changed since last year? Since you last gave? In the last 5 years? In the last 25 years?
I do not like nor support the decision to remove the knight from the symbolism, however, I can see how some could come to the conclusion that a warrior who violently fought to defend his faith (yes justified) but also used violence for religious conversion is not in line with the current values of the college nor the church.
Since at least my enrollment at Holy Cross in the Fall of 1981, the direction of the college has been guided by the words of Pedro Arrupe, S.J. Superior General of the Society of Jesus to the Tenth International Congress of Jesuit Alumni of Europe in 1973
The school's mission has been focused on social justice and that has guided and been at the forefront of the institutional decisions of the college for 35+ year. You don't have to like that and you can call it and the decision makers names like soft and snowflakes, but that, as a guiding principle for the college, has not changed.
I fail to see how removing a knight from a logo (while keeping the name Crusaders) changes that direction in any way and so am not incensed by it's removal.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2018 13:15:07 GMT -5
Very well said and supported, 84-85
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Post by alum on Mar 26, 2018 13:33:11 GMT -5
Serious question for our older posters. What was the reaction among alumni when the College made the decision to admit women? I know that nobody really gave money in those days (there was essentially no endowment) but do you recall if older alums (grads from the 30's and 40's) were upset? Do you think there anger lasted?
(Know that I do not think that this decision is anywhere near as momentous as the one to go coed.)
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2018 13:36:55 GMT -5
As I recall, there was some early opposition, but it soon abated.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2018 13:37:03 GMT -5
I don't remember any real anguish...and many alums wanted their daughters to go to HC as well as their sons. I also think the opinion of alumni was sought and seemed to be respected IIRC. A basic argument was that HC might mot survive if we remained exclusively male.
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Post by lou on Mar 26, 2018 13:57:44 GMT -5
Fortunate for some of us, we were admitted before very smart women became half of the HC population
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 26, 2018 14:13:31 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Mar 26, 2018 16:00:42 GMT -5
The more the merrier. Women were easily accepted. Made sense. The sacking of the Crusader mascot makes no sense.
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Post by hc811215 on Mar 26, 2018 16:40:17 GMT -5
I will continue to give to what Time Magazine once labelled "the cradle of the Catholic left." While I recognize some are upset, this will not affect my giving level or frequency of giving. I feel blessed by the education I received and more blessed by the wonderful education both of my daughters '12 and '15 received. Holy Cross still does a great job educating young people and getting them to think critically.
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 26, 2018 16:52:03 GMT -5
Yet remains "hidden."
Ya think Villanova will be the "hidden gem" next year?
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Post by spenser on Mar 26, 2018 19:26:07 GMT -5
I don't give because of the mascot; I give because of the school. I’m with you. It’s a great school!
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Post by Bleed Purple on Mar 26, 2018 21:19:57 GMT -5
HC's decision to drop the mascot was disappointing. Those we love sometimes disappoint us. I remain loyal and will always support HC
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Post by hc87 on Mar 26, 2018 22:02:25 GMT -5
Not the school it once was sadly in a host of ways....it's turned into a school like Bard or Wesleyan...nothing wrong with those schools, but it's not the Holy Cross I went to.
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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 29, 2018 13:49:13 GMT -5
Serious question for our older posters. What was the reaction among alumni when the College made the decision to admit women? I know that nobody really gave money in those days (there was essentially no endowment) but do you recall if older alums (grads from the 30's and 40's) were upset? Do you think there anger lasted? (Know that I do not think that this decision is anywhere near as momentous as the one to go coed.) I am Class off '69, and as I recall, there was a lot of support for the move. In fact, I was part of a group called "COED" ( Committee On Educational Development). We sponsored a COED Week during the late winter/early spring of 1968, whereby we hosted girls on campus (2nd floor Hanselman) for a week who had applied from various women's colleges. The registered for classes, and we had symposiums on the issue. It turned out that we had a huge snow storm at the beginning of the week, classes were cancelled and a party ensued for the first couple of days, but the ice was broken!
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Mar 29, 2018 14:02:51 GMT -5
I thought it would be interesting to take Crossports' temperature on the Crusader issue, and if that will impact whether you will give to HC this year or not. Presidents Council for 25+ years. No Ma$ I’m out
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Post by 78purple on Mar 29, 2018 21:58:48 GMT -5
I really don't have a problem with a cartoon character not roaming the sidelines/courtside......somehow Michigan has survived without a wolverine roaming the sidelines, and Miami has survived without a tropical depression tearing things up.....What I object to is the loss of the logo on center court and at the 50 yardline.......I object to the absolute spinelessness of the adminstration to squash this issue before it became " a thing ".... This is our culture...this is who we are....what's next.....remove crucifixes from the classroom and disavowing that we celebrate Christmas and Easter? ...... As A BC FRESHMAN ( BC ) said on a college tour with one of my children....." We are Catholic.....we have crucifixes in the classrooms, and we celebrate Christmas....If you don't like that, go somewhere else " Amen....why are we saying the same thing ??... As others have said, maybe we need an HC guy/gal in charge...even though many of us in the blog have issues with his athletic decisions ( myself included ), we have to ask, WWFBD ?? ( What would Father Brooks do ? ) . Methinks the outcome would not have been the same..... Sad, sad situation....Go Purple Finches !! ( unless you are a color or a vegetarian bird, animal or fish, someone will be offended ).
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 30, 2018 8:19:22 GMT -5
I really don't have a problem with a cartoon character not roaming the sidelines/courtside......somehow Michigan has survived without a wolverine roaming the sidelines, and Miami has survived without a tropical depression tearing things up.....What I object to is the loss of the logo on center court and at the 50 yardline.......I object to the absolute spinelessness of the adminstration to squash this issue before it became " a thing ".... This is our culture...this is who we are....what's next.....remove crucifixes from the classroom and disavowing that we celebrate Christmas and Easter? ...... As A BC FRESHMAN ( BC ) said on a college tour with one of my children....." We are Catholic.....we have crucifixes in the classrooms, and we celebrate Christmas....If you don't like that, go somewhere else " Amen....why are we saying the same thing ??... As others have said, maybe we need an HC guy/gal in charge...even though many of us in the blog have issues with his athletic decisions ( myself included ), we have to ask, WWFBD ?? ( What would Father Brooks do ? ) . Methinks the outcome would not have been the same..... Sad, sad situation....Go Purple Finches !! ( unless you are a color or a vegetarian bird, animal or fish, someone will be offended ). I really doubt a student said this on a college-sanctioned tour.
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Post by hc89 on Mar 30, 2018 11:00:35 GMT -5
I really don't have a problem with a cartoon character not roaming the sidelines/courtside......somehow Michigan has survived without a wolverine roaming the sidelines, and Miami has survived without a tropical depression tearing things up.....What I object to is the loss of the logo on center court and at the 50 yardline.......I object to the absolute spinelessness of the adminstration to squash this issue before it became " a thing ".... This is our culture...this is who we are....what's next.....remove crucifixes from the classroom and disavowing that we celebrate Christmas and Easter? ...... As A BC FRESHMAN ( BC ) said on a college tour with one of my children....." We are Catholic.....we have crucifixes in the classrooms, and we celebrate Christmas....If you don't like that, go somewhere else " Amen....why are we saying the same thing ??... As others have said, maybe we need an HC guy/gal in charge...even though many of us in the blog have issues with his athletic decisions ( myself included ), we have to ask, WWFBD ?? ( What would Father Brooks do ? ) . Methinks the outcome would not have been the same..... Sad, sad situation....Go Purple Finches !! ( unless you are a color or a vegetarian bird, animal or fish, someone will be offended ). I really doubt a student said this on a college-sanctioned tour. Apparently Brietbart missed the fact that Boston College has had similar issues with professors writing on similar topics: bcheights.com/2017/09/26/profs-talk-cancelled-lgbtq/
And hosting conferences on similar topics:
forums.catholic.com/t/boston-college-theology-dept-hosting-jesus-christ-as-grand-marshall-of-queer-america/147979
And have current faculty members that lecture on similar topics: www.bc.edu/offices/cte/about/people/craig-ford.html
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Post by spenser on Mar 30, 2018 13:00:22 GMT -5
I will continue to give to what Time Magazine once labelled "the cradle of the Catholic left." While I recognize some are upset, this will not affect my giving level or frequency of giving. I feel blessed by the education I received and more blessed by the wonderful education both of my daughters '12 and '15 received. Holy Cross still does a great job educating young people and getting them to think critically. My sentiments exactly. Holy Cross made me the person I am today and I will always be grateful.
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