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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 25, 2018 17:26:12 GMT -5
I thought it would be interesting to take Crossports' temperature on the Crusader issue, and if that will impact whether you will give to HC this year or not.
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Post by breezy on Mar 25, 2018 17:38:35 GMT -5
I don't give because of the mascot; I give because of the school.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 25, 2018 17:44:23 GMT -5
I don't give because of the mascot; I give because of the school. Amen
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Post by HC13 on Mar 25, 2018 17:47:22 GMT -5
I find myself still undecided, as I generally give for the same reason as breezy, but find this whole affair so distasteful that I may not this year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 25, 2018 17:57:18 GMT -5
I don't give because of the mascot; I give because of the school. Same. And the way they handled this entire situation tells me that this is not a “leadership” that I want to support. My hope is that a 1-year drop in the precious alumni participation rates, drop in PC members, etc. will trigger an overhaul in the school’s “leadership” with actual leaders brought on board to turn the ship around.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 25, 2018 18:16:32 GMT -5
I have not failed to give - even when they rejected my older son who had to "settle" for being an honor student at Fairfield. On this one I am leaning toward bbc. It is not the mascot that upsets me, but the way in which this entire matter was handled...as in mishandled. I feel that in siding with a small number off militant students and faculty, I am being told that I (and my opinion) do not matter. If that is the case, perhaps my money does not matter either. Not a huge amount in the grand scheme of things (even if large to my wife and me), it is the principle of the thing that is large. I could care less about our Iggy (as in Marvin the Martian look-alike), but the symbols that are being stripped away to please some who have apparently hated them for some time. Perhaps those people will now increase their donations to make up for what their actions have cost HC.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 25, 2018 18:33:38 GMT -5
I won’t give until the school changes its name and goes totally secular. I can’t support splitting the baby. Get rid of the Crusader? Get rid of the cross? Get rid of the Jesuits? I’ve made my line in the sand.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 25, 2018 19:13:25 GMT -5
I won’t give until the school changes its name and goes totally secular. I can’t support splitting the baby. Get rid of the Crusader? Get rid of the cross? Get rid of the Jesuits? I’ve made my line in the sand. Tongue in cheek again ?
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Post by actualfactual on Mar 25, 2018 19:26:46 GMT -5
I am not an alum but I grew up in the Boston area and always thought of Holy Cross as a sports-oriented school. I was at commencement in a recent year and Fr. Burroughs commented at some length on the breadth of experiences which can be had in college. He mentioned every positive college-related activity I could think of except for athletics. Upon reflection, I realized that I have never seen him at a single Holy Cross athletic event I had attended, spanning the last several years.
The school knows of me and has asked but I am not giving. Until leadership re-appraises the historical connection between athletic success and alumni loyalty at this college, I don't see changing my mind.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 25, 2018 19:36:58 GMT -5
Fr B does attend a smattering of games. But as an insider once told me compared to him fr brooks looks like Dick Vitale.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 25, 2018 19:45:24 GMT -5
FWIW
He changed his seats this year, but for the prior two seasons, Fr.Boroughs' seats for basketball games were next to mine. He was there (and actively watching & cheering) at about half a dozen games over those two seasons. And was sitting courtside for at least 2 games this season.
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Post by lou on Mar 25, 2018 20:37:12 GMT -5
The only way this gives the temperature of the change is to know if the "no" and "unsure" gave regularly before
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Post by sader98 on Mar 25, 2018 20:46:35 GMT -5
Count me as a Pres. Council unsure if that helps
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Post by lou on Mar 25, 2018 20:58:00 GMT -5
Count me as a Pres. Council unsure if that helps That Ann Dowd speech was memorable!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 25, 2018 21:05:51 GMT -5
I’ve been on the President’s Council for 40 years and will Renew my support this year although I loathe the decision on the Crusader and the way it was made. We squandered an opportunity to do the right thing and generate tremendous positive PR for the college. Still, I support the mission of HC
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Post by sader98 on Mar 25, 2018 21:13:39 GMT -5
I don’t have that tenure of support or likely the level of giving “clout” that KY ‘75 has but his sentiment rings pretty true and is likely where I end up on this topic.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2018 6:49:50 GMT -5
OK, you tipped me to a decision KY. I can state the reasons with a modified quote:
I will continue my support this year although I loathe the decision on the Crusader and the way it was made. We squandered an opportunity to do the right thing and generate tremendous positive PR for the college. Still, I support the mission of HC.
Thank you.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2018 6:50:55 GMT -5
PS: Any way we can change a vote already cast in the poll?
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 26, 2018 7:03:48 GMT -5
Yup. Just click your original vote again and the check will disappear. Then vote for the new choice.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 26, 2018 7:35:15 GMT -5
I gave last December, my giving is often sequenced for tax purposes. Regardless of whether I gave / will give or not, the matter of the depiction of the mascot is secondary to a larger issue of whether Holy Cross is sufficiently Catholic or sufficiently Jesuit. IMO, not supporting HC because of the loss of the mascot is really a statement about not supporting HC because one doesn't agree with the direction of the college, and, writ large, the direction of the Jesuits. HC, and TPTB, are acting consistent with the edicts of the general congregations of the Society of Jesus for the last 40-50 years. The matter of William Blatty's (author of the Exorcist) and the Cardinal Newman Society 's effort to strip Georgetown of its Catholic and Jesuit identity has been well-chronicled in the local press. Blatty recently died, and the Vatican bureaucracy can read the tea leaves during the tenure of a Jesuit Pope. ----So the effort has faded away. www.washingtonpost.com/local/vatican-responds-to-georgetown-petition-by-exorcist-author-blatty/2014/05/13/22f780de-daa3-11e3-bda1-9b46b2066796_story.html?utm_term=.76a636a0c3aaAs I recall, the petition (really a brief) submitted to the Vatican was hundreds of pages in length, citing many examples of transgressions whose cumulative level necessitated, in their view, stripping Georgetown of its Catholic and Jesuit identity. And IIRC, at least one Jesuit at Georgetown joined in the petition. (Note also that it was the NCR that published the Vatican's reply to Blatty and his fellow petitioners. The NCR was probably sympathetic to the petitioners.) .
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 26, 2018 8:58:48 GMT -5
William Peter Blatty was married four times. Now you did not need to be a saint to criticize, but maybe not the best messenger.
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Post by lou on Mar 26, 2018 10:01:13 GMT -5
I have always felt very good about giving and proud of being part of an alumni group where over half of all alumni give to their alma mater, a very impressive statistic. Anyone else feel this way? Do you feel differently now?
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Post by ncaam on Mar 26, 2018 10:09:01 GMT -5
I donated earlier in year. Any way to get it back?
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Post by Tom on Mar 26, 2018 10:11:03 GMT -5
I have always felt very good about giving and proud of being part of an alumni group where over half of all alumni give to their alma mater, a very impressive statistic. Anyone else feel this way? Do you feel differently now? Since we weren't too much over 50 percent, we might have to feel differently because the statement may no longer be true. Although you could still feel proud of being part of an alumni group of which 49 percent give to alma mater
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 26, 2018 10:37:45 GMT -5
The 11 "NO" votes on the board are ominous--certainly this is a small sample, but one would think that the alums on this board have been financial supporters of HC as well as HC sports fans.
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