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Post by td128 on Jul 25, 2018 8:06:34 GMT -5
I admire Coolidge greatly especially for his positions on promoting civil rights and racial equality.
Gerry Reedy? Not so much.
I especially strongly disliked GR's attempts to 1. reconcile culture and faith, 2. join the NESCAC. Decorum prevents me from commenting further.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2018 8:13:39 GMT -5
. I suspect our friend, td, is referring to Gerry Reedy. However, how do you count our Holy Cross presidents? Recall for years there was some debate about whether Grover Cleveland, with his split administrations, counted as 1 president or 2 but that was finally resolved by consensus that he counted as only 1 (see: constitutioncenter.org/blog/10-fascinating-facts-about-grover-cleveland-the-only-double-president). Little known fact: Which HC president served in that role 3 different times? There's a building named after him, of course. See below for answer. Which HC president served 2 different times? Yes, there's a building named after him too. Easy one: Which HC president served in that role the longest? How many years? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Answers: Anthony F. Ciampi served 3 times: 1851-1854, 1857-1861, 1867-1873 Joseph N. Dinand served twice: 1911-1918, 1924-1927 John E. Brooks served the longest by far: 1970-1994
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Post by alum on Jul 25, 2018 8:55:19 GMT -5
I admire Coolidge greatly especially for his positions on promoting civil rights and racial equality. Gerry Reedy? Not so much. I especially strongly disliked GR's attempts to 1. reconcile culture and faith, 2. join the NESCAC. Decorum prevents me from commenting further. You should read, if you have not, Amity Shlaes book on Coolidge. There really are no other modern works on Coolidge. She is an economist by training (very small government focused) but she is thorough. I would not say she is a great writer compared to other presidential historians, but it is readable and quite informative. Coolidge spoke forcefully against lynching which remains the darkest stain on post Civil War America.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 26, 2018 17:55:36 GMT -5
Coolidge's notoriously taciturn nature is something folks posting on this interminable thread would do well to emulate. The story is probably as apocryphal as it is well known, but instructive and worth recalling nonetheless . . . At a dinner party, a young woman sitting next to Coolidge told him she had made a bet with a friend that she could get him to have a conversation with her of at least three words.
Coolidge responded quietly, "You lose."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 26, 2018 20:02:43 GMT -5
One of my favorite stories
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 27, 2018 6:24:23 GMT -5
Putting "Silent Cal" aside for a moment, I am still looking forward to seeing how Holy Cross stands vis-a-vis other educational institutions in the fundraising arena. Are we still in the top 10? From Holy Cross:
All schools had one potential "hit" in their fundraising efforts: confusion and doubt as to how tax reform would affect donations, as some of those who have made educational donations primarily for a tax deduction probably decided not to give or give a smaller amount.
On top of that, Holy Cross had two other factors that the other colleges and universities did not face: 1. the decision to eliminate a long-standing mascot and logo that many felt was symbolic of the school and 2. as the title in this thread suggests, the handling of the news that a religious studies professor had previously written a controversial interpretation of the meaning of Christ which many found offensive and antithetical to the foundations of the College.
These last two could reasonably be considered self-inflicted wounds. First, the decision to keep the name "Crusader" while eliminating the mascot and logo itself served to offend both sides of the issue. Keeping the name still offends those who believe the Crusades themselves are an affront. Losing the mascot/logo offends those who believe the symbol of a Crusader represents an honorable defender of the faith and keeping the name alone is hollow and somewhat meaningless. In short, trying to find a compromise did not work.
The handling of Professor Liew and his controversial writings can be summarized as mostly silence and the expressed hope that it will just go away - that it would just "blow over." For a Catholic college to simply put out a very short statement by the president that he disagrees with the professor's writings without further explanation fell way short of what many believe was necessary. The professor was told not to make any statements which is both unfair to him and a bad PR decision by the College.
From what I hear, especially among older alums, the ones that have been donating to the College for many decades and the people that donate the most, they are even more upset by this second factor than the first as they feel that the professor's position is not just offensive but blasphemous and that the College would hire a person espousing these views is a slap at Catholicism. It is quite possible because the professor has never taught this at Holy Cross and is supposed to be a practicing Christian (not Catholic) that his article/paper taken while teaching at a theological graduate school was designed as simply a provocative academic point of discussion but because he has been asked to remain silent, he has been unable to explain possible extenuating circumstances and defend himself. In addition, he is a tenured professor and, as such, it would be difficult if not impossible to terminate him. His initial hiring was the "unforced error."
That the College has been able to raise as much and from as many alums as they have this year despite these 3 strikes is a tribute to the staff and Class Chairs and Class Agents.
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Post by td128 on Jul 27, 2018 8:44:30 GMT -5
Don't forget that those within the offices atop MSJ are merely tenants -- regardless of tenure and/or term -- and that the loyal sons and daughters of Alma Mater are the rightful, honorable, and dutiful owners. The terms of ownership carry a resounding obligation to steward our college and make sure we pass it along to future generations in stronger and healthier condition than we found it when we first arrived.
#AMDG . . . #IHS . . . #Let'sWin
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 27, 2018 9:08:57 GMT -5
Well said!
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 27, 2018 12:31:08 GMT -5
sloth, Why would you think td128 was talking about himself alone and not the collective force of the alumni as a whole. Did you see him say anything like what you post? If not, any "delusion" may well be on your part.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jul 30, 2018 10:21:45 GMT -5
If I have an ownership stake in the college, where's my dividend check?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 30, 2018 10:32:09 GMT -5
If I have an ownership stake in the college, where's my dividend check? Check your soul account—the grace balance should get an infusion each quarter
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 30, 2018 10:37:08 GMT -5
lol I had been hoping for "time off" from my stay in Purgatory....a temporal (or, dare I say, plenary) indulgence?
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Post by clmetsfan on Jul 30, 2018 11:02:06 GMT -5
If I have an ownership stake in the college, where's my dividend check? Check your soul account—the grace balance should get an infusion each quarter Oh that explains it -- I defaulted on that account years ago.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 30, 2018 12:26:22 GMT -5
I don't know if this advances the discussion but I found this because I think we too often think of "ownership" as something tangible or fungible:
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 22, 2018 13:38:12 GMT -5
Well, our Crusader didn't make the rankings of "most offensive sports logos" but the Notre Dame "Fighting Irish" did (#4). You might think that is because we are such small potatoes but there was a high school or two on the list. As might be expected, most of the logos had to do with the Redskins, Indians, Braves. Here's the list: www.grunge.com/49119/offensive-sports-logos-time/s/notre-dame-fighting-irish/
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Post by fittonsfury on Aug 25, 2018 12:55:38 GMT -5
On top of all of this, apparently there's no more mass after football games on Saturdays.. An older Jesuit told me that the guys who said the mass opposed it, but the Campus Ministry didn't even talk to them before doing it.
Too bad, I used to take my family whenever I was on campus.
God Save Our College
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Post by HCFC45 on Aug 25, 2018 13:29:09 GMT -5
Heard yesterday that the "Crusader Logo" has been eliminated from Blaney Court at the Hart and also from the Hart Center court as well! ! Guess the football scoreboard logos will be next!!! !
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Post by lou on Aug 25, 2018 13:29:23 GMT -5
Confused...all Saturdays, or game day Saturdays?
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Post by fittonsfury on Aug 25, 2018 13:33:16 GMT -5
My understanding is that it is all Saturdays, so this would hold true for after basketball games too.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Aug 25, 2018 14:37:16 GMT -5
On top of all of this, apparently there's no more mass after football games on Saturdays.. An older Jesuit told me that the guys who said the mass opposed it, but the Campus Ministry didn't even talk to them before doing it. Too bad, I used to take my family whenever I was on campus. God Save Our College Doesn't surprise me; those Jesuits probably don't believe in the Real Presence anyway!
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Post by fittonsfury on Aug 25, 2018 14:58:26 GMT -5
On top of all of this, apparently there's no more mass after football games on Saturdays.. An older Jesuit told me that the guys who said the mass opposed it, but the Campus Ministry didn't even talk to them before doing it. Too bad, I used to take my family whenever I was on campus. God Save Our College Doesn't surprise me; those Jesuits probably don't believe in the Real Presence anyway! The Jesuit I spoke to is one of the good ones, he was used to saying that mass and liked seeing alums like us and our families there. Turns out it came from the (lay) director of campus ministry.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 25, 2018 15:27:51 GMT -5
Will that group be renamed now that HC seems to lack of a campus ministry?
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Post by HC92 on Aug 25, 2018 16:09:09 GMT -5
Struggling to remember the last thing that happened under the current administration that I liked. Tough timing for Fr. B to send a letter on 8/17 about the horrible sex abuse in PA and then get hit a few days later with allegations of such abuse right under his nose. It’s time for a change on the Hill (preferably before they remove the Crusader from the football scoreboard). Strong leadership is badly needed. Fewer preachy letters about things happening away from HC and more attention to what is happening at HC would be a good start.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 25, 2018 19:37:47 GMT -5
Just my opinion but as bad as all this stuff is with Holy Cross and the Catholic Church (and it is beyond bad, it is horrendous), the general painting of the entire clergy and Jesuits with a broad brush seems over the top to me. If I can make an analogy, it is like the inexcusable police abuses, beatings and shootings of minorities that seem to be captured on videos every week. Those, too, are abuses of power ("badge heavy" was the term my former colleagues - retired NYPD - used to call it). But all cops and all priests and all bishops and cardinals are not bad because of a small minority of bad apples. To inject a little humor into a humorless situation, it is not like lawyers where "99% of them make the rest look bad."
Over my 70 years, I have known many cops, many priests (Jesuits and others) and not a one of them could I see beating up someone for no apparent reason or, in the case of the priests, abusing a child or someone in a subservient position. With one exception, which 45 informed me of a Worcester priest (an HC alum) having been defrocked, all these priests were exactly what we were all brought up to expect of a priest.
As I've come to know many of these priests, including or especially the Jesuits, they are not perfect - none of us are. Even the #1 Jesuit, Pope Francis, makes clear that he is "a sinner."
The long-festering situation in the Church needs action, not just words. Yes, the laity needs to be more than just spectators on the sidelines and that includes direct involvement of some of the victims of abuse. But the clergy needs to be involved too. A Blue Ribbon group needs to be put together and that should also include representatives of the legal profession, especially prosecutors.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 26, 2018 9:02:26 GMT -5
Let's cut to the quick.
Number of Jesuits (world-wide) 1977 28038 (20205 were priests) 2013 17287 (2467 of whom are in North America) 2016 16376 (11786 were priests)
Losses are most acute in Americas and Europe, with modest gains in Asia and Africa. . In 2013, 41 percent of the Jesuits were in Africa and Asia
Diocese of Worcester The following statistics are from the diocese, and although no year is given, I assume it to be recent.
98 parishes 117 active diocesan priests for the 98 parishes. Average age of the 117 priests unknown, but old. The retirement age is probably 75, as it is in Boston. In Boston, there are retired priests who are still active. Quite likely with illness, infirmity, vacation, that on any given Sunday there may be less than one diocesan priest per parish. This would suggest that at least a few of the religious priests could be called on to say Saturday/Sunday mass at a diocesan parish church. Archdiocese of Boston Number of diocesan priests / religious priests by year. (The numbers for diocesan priests include priests who are no longer active. Unknown whether religious priests number includes inactive priests.)
1976 1376 / 984 2015 685 / 403 Diocesan priests declined by about 50 percent over 40 years, religious priests by about 60 percent.
Diocese of Worcester Statistical year not given, but presumably recent. 1898 infant baptisms 2919 deaths
Teachers in Catholic schools in the diocese of Worcester 17 religious (7 priests, 10 sisters/brothers) 1320 lay The teachers include those at the three Catholic colleges in the diocese.
IMO, traditional Saturday mass after a football game is probably not high on the priority list. _____________________ For Boston College, the number of Jesuits on the faculty in 1977 numbered about 100.
In 2017, "With 50 members, the Jesuit Community at Boston College is one of the larger apostolic communities of the Society of Jesus throughout the world. Thirty-six Jesuit priests serve in the University as either full-time or part-time members of the administration, faculty, and staff. Many of them also offer Ignatian retreats and spiritual direction to faculty, staff, and students and also provide regular assistance to the diocesan church, both locally and nationally. Other Jesuits in residence include eleven from ten countries around the world who are studying for graduate degrees at the University or at other institutions in the Boston area, four who are involved in ministries beyond the University, two who act as the Rector and Administrator of the Jesuit Community itself, two who are retired professors and six on sabbatical." Boston College Fact Book (That BC is a "university" are BC's words.)
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