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Post by td128 on Mar 28, 2018 5:59:31 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Mar 28, 2018 6:04:39 GMT -5
Unbelievable.
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 28, 2018 6:08:01 GMT -5
WOW
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Post by td128 on Mar 28, 2018 6:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 28, 2018 6:40:13 GMT -5
This school is off the rails. The president and BOT are presiding over the downfall of HC big time...Terminate that wierdo right now!!! Not one cent from me ever again....
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Post by joutsHC77 on Mar 28, 2018 6:52:21 GMT -5
td, you're absolutely right about the comments, devastating. Who can tolerate this nonsense at a "Catholic College" ?
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Post by td128 on Mar 28, 2018 7:01:31 GMT -5
I just wrote to Fr. Reiser, chair of the Religious Studies Department, to request his views on this. If others care to do the same, here you go:
wreiser@holycross.edu
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 28, 2018 7:02:36 GMT -5
I've also heard from current students that grades are impacted by differing views from that of the professor. I can't support this college anymore and donations are much better served for cancer research or helping children with cancer. Glad I unsubscribed from all emails that were addressed to me as follows:
Dear ##jnt_email_salutation##,
What a disaster!
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 7:27:19 GMT -5
You all know that the College does not have a Theology Department, don't you? It was Religious Studies when I was a freshman thirty seven years ago and it is Religious Studies today. There was a Protestant professor who taught New Testament when I was a student who was a considerably better scholar than the seventy year old Jesuit I had for Old Testament who mostly just read from the Bible in class. I am sure that if we had the Internet in the early 1980's, alums from the class of 1938 would have complained about Father Bob Manning, rector of the Jesuit community and later head of the Weston School, who taught Liberation Theology and argued that Jesus was a revolutionary who would have supported the Socialists seeking to help the poor in South America. They would have also been horrified to know that Father John Paris, a bioethicist, taught that it was appropriate, under certain circumstances, to take more than passive measures to help a terminally ill patient die. It's a college. There are going to be professors who espouse things that many think are bizarre. The idea that the College was a place where orthodox Catholic thought was taught has been gone since the early 1970's. Oh, and by the way, I am a lot more horrified that graduates of a Catholic College read Breitbart than anything one professor might think about sexuality and the Bible
www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism?utm_term=.xkEaxrBkW#.cj1QPWn0o
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Post by spenser on Mar 28, 2018 7:30:26 GMT -5
If this is an accurate story, and breitbart is not the most credible news source, it’s an absolute disgrace. Academic freedom is a wonderful thing, but this flies in the face of everything HC is supposed to stand for. Make Fr Reiser’s inbox blow up.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 28, 2018 7:35:32 GMT -5
I knew you’d have a nice spin for this one, alum.
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 7:39:13 GMT -5
I knew you’d have a nice spin for this one, alum. You call it spin because nothing I said was inaccurate. We need to avoid acting like angry old men (and I know you are not very old.)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 28, 2018 7:42:26 GMT -5
I knew you’d have a nice spin for this one, alum. You call it spin because nothing I said was inaccurate. We need to avoid acting like angry old men (and I know you are not very old.) Should I be horrified that you used an article from Buzzfeed?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 28, 2018 7:45:21 GMT -5
If this is true, Liew should be shown the door this morning--a truly sick individual
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 7:48:08 GMT -5
If this is true, Liew should be shown the door this morning--a truly sick individual How? He is a tenured faculty member. You don't get to fire him because of his scholarship and you would never be able to hire a decent professor if you could. Remember how we used to mock Sarasota for claiming that the College was a seminary. It sounds like you want it to be one. (Although I think you would find professors like this guy teaching at seminaries, too.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 28, 2018 7:51:23 GMT -5
I'm aware of what tenure means. Still, I don't think that HC should support professors who speak against the mission of the college.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 28, 2018 7:52:39 GMT -5
How many read the article in the Fenwick Review, rather than rely on Breitbart?
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 7:58:08 GMT -5
I'm aware of what tenure means. Still, I don't think that HC should support professors who speak against the mission of the college. The mission is set out below. I don't see how a professor who espouses teachings about Jesus that are outside mainstream Catholic thought is speaking against the mission. More importantly, and I have not read this professor's writings, but from the excerpts we have, it does not appear that he disagrees with what I understand to be the central point of the New Testament, that is that Jesus of Nazareth came to save people from sin and that we ought to love others (more fully explicated in the Sermon on the Mount.) The College of the Holy Cross is, by tradition and choice, a Jesuit liberal arts college serving the Catholic community, American society, and the wider world. To participate in the life of Holy Cross is to accept an invitation to join in dialogue about basic human questions: What is the moral character of learning and teaching? How do we find meaning in life and history? What are our obligations to one another? What is our special responsibility to the world's poor and powerless?
As a liberal arts college, Holy Cross pursues excellence in teaching, learning, and research. All who share its life are challenged to be open to new ideas, to be patient with ambiguity and uncertainty, to combine a passion for truth with respect for the views of others. Informed by the presence of diverse interpretations of the human experience, Holy Cross seeks to build a community marked by freedom, mutual respect, and civility. Because the search for meaning and value is at the heart of the intellectual life, critical examination of fundamental religious and philosophical questions is integral to liberal arts education. Dialogue about these questions among people from diverse academic disciplines and religious traditions requires everyone to acknowledge and respect differences. Dialogue also requires us to remain open to that sense of the whole which calls us to transcend ourselves and challenges us to seek that which might constitute our common humanity.
The faculty and staff of Holy Cross, now primarily lay and religiously and culturally diverse, also affirm the mission of Holy Cross as a Jesuit college. As such, Holy Cross seeks to exemplify the longstanding dedication of the Society of Jesus to the intellectual life and its commitment to the service of faith and promotion of justice. The College is dedicated to forming a community which supports the intellectual growth of all its members while offering them opportunities for spiritual and moral development. In a special way, the College must enable all who choose to do so to encounter the intellectual heritage of Catholicism, to form an active worshipping community, and to become engaged in the life and work of the contemporary church.
Since 1843, Holy Cross has sought to educate students who, as leaders in business, professional, and civic life, would live by the highest intellectual and ethical standards. In service of this ideal, Holy Cross endeavors to create an environment in which integrated learning is a shared responsibility, pursued in classroom and laboratory, studio and theater, residence and chapel. Shared responsibility for the life and governance of the College should lead all its members to make the best of their own talents, to work together, to be sensitive to one another, to serve others, and to seek justice within and beyond the Holy Cross community.
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Post by td128 on Mar 28, 2018 7:58:15 GMT -5
How many read the article in the Fenwick Review, rather than rely on Breitbart? Definitely should and need to read the article by current senior Elinor Reilly in the Fenwick Review. I also encourage people to read the comments at Breitbart as those are an indication of the damage the college faces from a PR standpoint. The Breitbart article has gone absolutely viral. I do wonder whether Professor Liew weighed in on the debate regarding the Crusader and made any public comments on that topic.
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 7:58:36 GMT -5
How many read the article in the Fenwick Review, rather than rely on Breitbart? I did.
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Post by alum on Mar 28, 2018 7:59:28 GMT -5
How many read the article in the Fenwick Review, rather than rely on Breitbart? Definitely should and need to read the article by current senior Elinor Reilly in the Fenwick Review. I also encourage people to read the comments at Breitbart as those are an indication of the damage the college faces from a PR standpoint. The Breitbart article has gone absolutely viral. I do wonder whether Professor Liew weighed in on the debate regarding the Crusader and made any public comments on that topic. Nobody who travels in the circles I travel reads Breitbart, or if they do, they certainly don't brag about it.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 28, 2018 8:00:44 GMT -5
Why are comments not allowed on the Fenwick Review website? I think some additional context to this issue would be helpful as I am one to be highly dubious of things reported on by Breitbart, a hive of right-wing nuttery, alarmism, and misinformation, and the Fenwick Review. I recall when I was an undergrad in the mid 2000s, the Fenwick Review openly questioned a Community Development Coordinator's, and now Jesuit, sexual orientation in its pages.
Nonetheless, I am concerned with the chair of New Testament potentially espousing these views at a Jesuit institution.
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Post by Tom on Mar 28, 2018 8:01:27 GMT -5
I never heard of Breibart, so I won't comment on the reliability of that site.
The other link from the Fenwick Review under the school's website I would consider reliable on the topic. It looks like Breibart got a copy of that article and ran with it.
Semi off topic, I'm pretty sure that the young lady that wrote the article in Fenwick Review is the granddaughter of the guy that was alumni chair of Bishop Healy forever
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 28, 2018 8:06:08 GMT -5
Definitely should and need to read the article by current senior Elinor Reilly in the Fenwick Review. I also encourage people to read the comments at Breitbart as those are an indication of the damage the college faces from a PR standpoint. The Breitbart article has gone absolutely viral. I do wonder whether Professor Liew weighed in on the debate regarding the Crusader and made any public comments on that topic. Nobody who travels in the circles I travel reads Breitbart, or if they do, they certainly don't brag about it. Those commenters are probably akin to those making discouraging comments on the many social media platforms the College has released the Crusaders video on claiming the seal the school has had plastered all over the campus, internet, and publications for YEARS is a new change. They are merely parachuting into a controversial issue without knowing its history or context or having an engaged relationship with the College or they would have known this long before the mascot was shed. I, for one, am not worried nor give weight, to comments on a Breitbart article.
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Post by Tom on Mar 28, 2018 8:15:00 GMT -5
Without trying to get too religious. . . .
there was a religious studies prof when I was there that claimed the story of Jesus asking the apostles who people thought he was had a huge patch added afterwards. According to this guy after Peter said Jesus was the Messiah, the part where Jesus said that Peter was right and so full of faith that he was the rock on which Jesus would build his church was not part of the original text. He also claimed this patch goes into the next story where Jesus describes the type of death he was going to die and Peter said he wouldn't let that happen. At this point in the text we all know, Jesus rebukes Peter, tells him to get out of His sight for seeing things like man and not like God. According to the prof, who's name I forget, the original text goes straight from Peter saying that Jesus is the Messiah to Jesus' rebuke of Peter
Not as cuckoo as this Liew guy is portrayed, but not exactly the old Baltimore catechism either
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