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Post by alum on Jul 17, 2018 19:39:23 GMT -5
While watching the ASG, it seemed appropriate to revisit the AL East standings.
Sox 68-30 Yankees 62-33. 4.5 back
That’s all you need to know
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Post by hchoops on Jul 17, 2018 19:46:31 GMT -5
I am a yank hater, but there is almost half a season to go. 4.5 back, but 3 in the vital loss column
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 17, 2018 19:47:02 GMT -5
While watching the ASG, it seemed appropriate to revisit the AL East standings. Sox 68-30 Yankees 62-33. 4.5 back That’s all you need to know I checked with the commissioner and MLB has decided to still play the rest of the season despite the big lead for the Bosox
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Post by alum on Jul 18, 2018 8:51:24 GMT -5
I am a yank hater, but there is almost half a season to go. 4.5 back, but 3 in the vital loss column Another way to look at this is to consider that the Evil ones have three less fewer off days than the Sox the rest of the way. (Sorry for the less/fewer mistake)
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Post by Tom on Jul 18, 2018 9:40:54 GMT -5
I am a yank hater, but there is almost half a season to go. 4.5 back, but 3 in the vital loss column Another way to look at this is to consider that the Evil ones have three less off days than the Sox the rest of the way. Sox will need all the time off they can get with 3 their planned #4, #5, and #6 starters all out hurt
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jul 18, 2018 10:25:56 GMT -5
The Sox are proving the Yankees' strategy of acquiring a pitcher to be somewhat of a folly-- if you can hit, you can mask some of the issues of starting pitching and relief hitting. Obviously, the Yankees can slug, but have not had all or even most of their hitters hot at the same time. Judge has been fairly consistent, but Didi was red hot early then faded. Stanton was quiet early and only recently has started to pick up the pace. Sanchez has been a bit of a disappointment and then hurt. Gleyber was an immediate sensation and too, went out hurt.
Obviously, need pitching in a series, and the Yankees will go into a Divisional round potentially starting pitchers #2, 3, and 4 if Severino goes in a Wild Card match up... but the Yanks gotta hit!
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Post by hchoops on Jul 18, 2018 10:43:36 GMT -5
The Sox Could also be in that wild card
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 18, 2018 10:49:37 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous that the Red Sox and Yankees could both very well win 100 games in the regular season, and one of their seasons will come down to a one game playoff -- stupid.
Rob Manfred needs to take a hard look at the playoff structure.
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Post by Tom on Jul 18, 2018 11:10:53 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous that the Red Sox and Yankees could both very well win 100 games in the regular season, and one of their seasons will come down to a one game playoff -- stupid. Rob Manfred needs to take a hard look at the playoff structure. Apparently you don't recall 1978 when both teams won 99 games and both of their seasons came down to a one game play-off for the right to face the 92 win Royals in the ALCS
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 18, 2018 11:39:19 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous that the Red Sox and Yankees could both very well win 100 games in the regular season, and one of their seasons will come down to a one game playoff -- stupid. Rob Manfred needs to take a hard look at the playoff structure. Apparently you don't recall 1978 when both teams won 99 games and both of their seasons came down to a one game play-off for the right to face the 92 win Royals in the ALCS And wasn't this problem solved with the addition of the Wild Card and three divisions, which made it a four team playoff in each league?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 18, 2018 12:11:45 GMT -5
With the unbalanced schedule and inter league play, a solution would be hard to figure Baseball has had many one game playoffs in its history. As long as there is an unbalanced schedule, division champs should get a bye.imo. Re-seeding would be blatantly unfair
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Post by alum on Jul 18, 2018 12:33:49 GMT -5
As I am both a worrier and a devotee of baseball history, last night I went and refreshed my recollection about the Collapse of 1978 after reading KY's humorous note about the commissioner saying they would still play the rest of the season. On July 19th (that's 40 years ago tomorrow) they held a 14 game lead over the Yankees. Then all hell broke loose See this from the Globe for a visual about how it happened. www.bostonglobe.com/2014/06/06/the-red-sox-collapse/LLvZRH9ti832LPnxToyvbJ/story.html
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Post by Tom on Jul 18, 2018 12:59:13 GMT -5
Apparently you don't recall 1978 when both teams won 99 games and both of their seasons came down to a one game play-off for the right to face the 92 win Royals in the ALCS And wasn't this problem solved with the addition of the Wild Card and three divisions, which made it a four team playoff in each league? I thought the wild card was more of a money grab by getting more play-off games.. When they went from one wild card to two, I'm glad they did the one game play-off. There should be something for winning the division. I say that knowing that the one game play-off does not necessarily reward the same things the 162 game marathon does
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 18, 2018 13:14:30 GMT -5
I recall fondly the days of the 8 team or 10 team leagues where a team won its way to the World Series by posting the best record during the regular season. Sustained excellence was rewarded.
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Post by Tom on Jul 18, 2018 14:38:13 GMT -5
As I am both a worrier and a devotee of baseball history, last night I went and refreshed my recollection about the Collapse of 1978 after reading KY's humorous note about the commissioner saying they would still play the rest of the season. On July 19th (that's 40 years ago tomorrow) they held a 14 game lead over the Yankees. Then all hell broke loose See this from the Globe for a visual about how it happened. www.bostonglobe.com/2014/06/06/the-red-sox-collapse/LLvZRH9ti832LPnxToyvbJ/story.htmlI'm a die hard Sox fan. That being said, I'm not sure you can call it a collapse when they won 99 games. More a case of the Yankees played great. If I recall correctly, and as shown in the graph, the "collapse" wasn't the Boston Massacre during head to head play in early Sept as much as the string right around the All Star game when SS Rick Burleson was out. What made things even more surprising is that the Sox had what we thought was a competent back up in former Cleveland starter Frank Duffy. On a team with four future Hall of Famers, it was missing the table setting shortstop that made it all fall apart. Just goes to show you never know what can happen in baseball
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 18, 2018 14:44:02 GMT -5
Of course that 1978 Red Sox team had Butch Hobson at third, with a fielding average of .899 (not a typo) for the season. I wonder if that was the last time a position player had a fielding average below .900??
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Post by Tom on Jul 18, 2018 15:23:27 GMT -5
Of course that 1978 Red Sox team had Butch Hobson at third, with a fielding average of .899 (not a typo) for the season. I wonder if that was the last time a position player had a fielding average below .900?? On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the only person in the history of the game to have 100 RBI's batting 9th (1977)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 18, 2018 15:34:58 GMT -5
Of course that 1978 Red Sox team had Butch Hobson at third, with a fielding average of .899 (not a typo) for the season. I wonder if that was the last time a position player had a fielding average below .900?? On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the only person in the history of the game to have 100 RBI's batting 9th (1977) Baseball-Reference has him batting in the 9th spot in only 6 games. He batted in the 8th slot most of the time (89 games) and then 7th (47 games). He batted 6th in 12 games and 3rd in 5 games. So, while he did not bat 9th often he did get a lot of RBI's for a guy at the bottom of the order In 1978 he batted 9th a lot but did not get 100 RBI's that year.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 18, 2018 17:06:57 GMT -5
I know I'll regret asking but if a batter has a high # of RBIs and he's in the bottom 3rd of the batting order, doesn't at least an equal bit of the honors go to the guys batting ahead of him? I mean, after all, if they are not on base, he can't drive them in and get anyone home unless he hits a lot of home runs, which I don't think anyone is claiming.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 18, 2018 18:13:06 GMT -5
In Hobson's defense (as a fielder), in 1978 I believe he had an issue with floating bone chips in his elbow, which caused him to airmail a lot of throws to first base. What a season....never felt comfortable with Don Zimmer at the helm.
I missed the one game playoff, but I was at the last regular season game (when the Sox needed to win, and NY had to lose). I can't even remember who the Sox beat, but I'll never forget looking at the video board near the end of the game: "Thank You Rick Waits!" (the Cleveland pitcher who beat the Yanks in their finale).
24 hours later.......Bucky Bleeping Dent
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Post by thecrossisback on Jul 18, 2018 18:20:27 GMT -5
Go Pirates. They need to make a playoff push for the NL Wildcard.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jul 18, 2018 18:55:36 GMT -5
I believe the ‘78 Red Sox won their last 8 games to force the 1 game playoff.
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Post by alum on Jul 19, 2018 7:12:30 GMT -5
As I am both a worrier and a devotee of baseball history, last night I went and refreshed my recollection about the Collapse of 1978 after reading KY's humorous note about the commissioner saying they would still play the rest of the season. On July 19th (that's 40 years ago tomorrow) they held a 14 game lead over the Yankees. Then all hell broke loose See this from the Globe for a visual about how it happened. www.bostonglobe.com/2014/06/06/the-red-sox-collapse/LLvZRH9ti832LPnxToyvbJ/story.htmlI'm a die hard Sox fan. That being said, I'm not sure you can call it a collapse when they won 99 games. More a case of the Yankees played great. If I recall correctly, and as shown in the graph, the "collapse" wasn't the Boston Massacre during head to head play in early Sept as much as the string right around the All Star game when SS Rick Burleson was out. What made things even more surprising is that the Sox had what we thought was a competent back up in former Cleveland starter Frank Duffy. On a team with four future Hall of Famers, it was missing the table setting shortstop that made it all fall apart. Just goes to show you never know what can happen in baseball No doubt about it, the Yankees played great (51-21 from July 18 on.) The Sox were 37-35 during that same stretch which, as you note, is really not a collapse. They fought back hard the last two weeks of the season. The disaster was that they were 25-33 from July 19 to September 16th. How did I ever live without Baseball Reference? Or IMDB? Or Wikipedia? Or Crossports ?
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 19, 2018 10:06:57 GMT -5
All true baseball fans are closet statisticians - “not that there’s anything wrong with that.” 😂
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Post by timholycross on Jul 20, 2018 15:37:39 GMT -5
In Hobson's defense (as a fielder), in 1978 I believe he had an issue with floating bone chips in his elbow, which caused him to airmail a lot of throws to first base. What a season....never felt comfortable with Don Zimmer at the helm. I missed the one game playoff, but I was at the last regular season game (when the Sox needed to win, and NY had to lose). I can't even remember who the Sox beat, but I'll never forget looking at the video board near the end of the game: "Thank You Rick Waits!" (the Cleveland pitcher who beat the Yanks in their finale). 24 hours later.......Bucky Bleeping Dent Perhaps Don Zimmer's biggest mistake (not his only one for sure). A lot of the blame for being overtaken could be laid at the feet of the front office. They went out and got a great starting lineup but would not spend a dime on the bench. They followed that up by spending the next 2-3 years breaking the team up for no good reason other than $.
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