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Post by hchoops on Aug 19, 2019 22:00:12 GMT -5
Here is one recruit gone
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Post by efg72 on Aug 19, 2019 22:08:18 GMT -5
Ton of options looks like he wanted to be close to home
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Post by trimster on Aug 20, 2019 6:43:31 GMT -5
I think the coaches will offer a handful of guys they would be happy with and then see where we stand with those guys. If our prospects don’t look good with the first group, they’ll offer a few guys they’ve been keeping warm and so on until we get two commits. All of our coaches have been on the recruiting trail quite a few times so they know how to play the game. In Brett we trust. In Brett we trust. Love it. My excitement level for the coming season has increased exponentially in the last two months.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 20, 2019 8:13:42 GMT -5
I think the coaches will offer a handful of guys they would be happy with and then see where we stand with those guys. If our prospects don’t look good with the first group, they’ll offer a few guys they’ve been keeping warm and so on until we get two commits. All of our coaches have been on the recruiting trail quite a few times so they know how to play the game. In Brett we trust. I trust him too, but he's not in a real good position for 2020s, recruiting-wise, due in some part to the 11th hour departure of his predecessor, who was looking at very different skill sets, particularly among bigs (or so many of us hope/presume).
Looking back at our interaction with Wade and Lowder, for example, we first learned of HC's interest in them in June 2017 - and certainly the staff had been on them well before that. Carmody trekked out to Michigan to watch them in September 2017. It took another year+ before they committed.
Nelson doesn't have 2+ years to foster the kind of relationships normally needed to win recruits. He's got 2-3 months, because most of the quality mid-major kids - and an even larger proportion of bigs - have committed by November of their senior year. Almost all the kids Nelson has offered already have 15-20 offers, which means lots of schools have been courting them for a long time, putting us well behind the curve. I'd be surprised if we land anybody he's extended offers to thus far
John Adams, on the other hand, is an example of somebody flying relatively under the radar, and not getting the level of offers (from high-academics or others) that would pose a huge challenge at this late date - I'm guessing we are pretty focused on him now. Believe we will be seeing more "Plan B" names like Adams in the coming few weeks, but whether Plan A or B, we shouldn't underestimate the difficulty Nelson is facing to get two high-quality 2020s.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 20, 2019 8:26:44 GMT -5
I think the coaches will offer a handful of guys they would be happy with and then see where we stand with those guys. If our prospects don’t look good with the first group, they’ll offer a few guys they’ve been keeping warm and so on until we get two commits. All of our coaches have been on the recruiting trail quite a few times so they know how to play the game. In Brett we trust. I trust him too, but he's not in a real good position for 2020s, recruiting-wise, due to the 11th hour departure of his predecessor.
Looking back at our interaction with Wade and Lowder, for example, we first learned of HC's interest in them in June 2017 - and certainly the staff had been on them well before that. Carmody trekked out to Michigan to watch them in September 2017. It took another year+ before they committed.
Nelson doesn't have 2+ years to foster the kind of relationships normally needed to win recruits. He's got 2-3 months, because most of the quality mid-major kids - and an even larger proportion of bigs - have committed by November of their senior year. Almost all the kids Nelson has offered already have 15-20 offers, which means lots of schools have been courting them for a long time, putting us well behind the curve. I'd be surprised if we land anybody he's extended offers to thus far
John Adams, on the other hand, is an example of somebody flying relatively under the radar, and not getting the level of offers (from high-academics or others) that would pose a huge challenge at this late date - I'm guessing we are pretty focused on him now. Believe we will be seeing more "Plan B" names like Adams in the coming few weeks, but whether Plan A or B, we shouldn't underestimate the difficulty Nelson is facing to get two high-quality 2020s.
All true. One additional fact would be that our head coach and all of our assistants have been actively recruiting the Class of 2020 from their other jobs and hopefully have some relationships with kids and coaches upon which we can build. I am aware that the academic requirements at HC may limit these options.
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Post by lou on Aug 20, 2019 8:34:00 GMT -5
Can we assume that the previous staff was recruiting right up to the "11th hour"? If so, then if the new staff picks up where they left off we should not be at a disadvantage. Anxious to see Nelson and staff land some future Crusaders
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 20, 2019 8:43:09 GMT -5
I'm sure the staff has been recruiting right along, but until June were looking at kids who would fit Carmody's system. Not sure how much overlap there is - especially among bigs - with the kind of players Nelson wants.
Prior to Nelson's arrival, we had made zero offers to 2020s. And with the exception of Kolek, none of the offers Nelson has made have been to kids the previous regime was known to be interested in (see list at top of Page 16 on this thread).
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Post by trimster on Aug 20, 2019 8:45:25 GMT -5
Can we assume that the previous staff was recruiting right up to the "11th hour"? If so, then if the new staff picks up where they left off we should not be at a disadvantage. Anxious to see Nelson and staff land some future Crusaders We need some big men and Carmody's version of bigs vs. Nelson's are very different so I think our new coach may be behind the curve thru no fault of his own, when it comes to recruiting post players for the fall of 2020.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 20, 2019 8:50:31 GMT -5
The limitation of highlight reels notwithstanding, I certainly like what I've seen of John Adams and his interior game. And I'm not quaking in my boots at the prospect of competing with any of the schools that have shown interest in him. Aside from our being able to compete academically/athletically with the likes of Cornell and Dartmouth, doesn't hurt our chances that he's from Douglas.
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Post by possum on Aug 20, 2019 11:28:25 GMT -5
I'm very hopeful that Nelson's the right guy but am nowhere close to the In Brett We Trust mantra. After the last three hires I won't have blind faith in anyone till I see some positive results. Hopefully the Reilly signing will work out but at this late date I would have done nothing to upgrade the roster for the coming season. I would have held onto the scholarship thinking I could get a better player out of the rich talent pool of players available in the current recruiting cycle. We are never going to get better going after the same players as Hartford and Sacred Heart. The last four scholarships have gone to guys who were still unsigned long after the recruiting cycle for that year had ended, a recipe for disaster. It will be interesting to see the level of recruits Nelson brings in this year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 20, 2019 12:25:22 GMT -5
I'm very hopeful that Nelson's the right guy but am nowhere close to the In Brett We Trust mantra. After the last three hires I won't have blind faith in anyone till I see some positive results. Hopefully the Reilly signing will work out but at this late date I would have done nothing to upgrade the roster for the coming season. I would have held onto the scholarship thinking I could get a better player out of the rich talent pool of players available in the current recruiting cycle. We are never going to get better going after the same players as Hartford and Sacred Heart. The last four scholarships have gone to guys who were still unsigned long after the recruiting cycle for that year had ended, a recipe for disaster. It will be interesting to see the level of recruits Nelson brings in this year. While I agree with the points about not building a program by recruiting guys against Hartford and Sacred Heart, I can see a lot of value in bringing in Reilly if Nelson believes he is someone who can help change the culture of the program in year 1. In addition to all of the needs to upgrade the talent on the roster and have players who can do more than shoot, Nelson has a major task to change the program's culture and get back to the ancient RW days when toughness and competitiveness were required from all players. Lowder and Wade are not going to develop if they are going up against Yeutter and Le Seann in practice.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 21, 2019 13:08:43 GMT -5
New name. Wague is from Mali. Presume hoops can tell us something about level of competition, maybe the kid himself.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 21, 2019 13:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Aug 21, 2019 14:22:05 GMT -5
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that RJ was involved with Wague while he was in Asheville.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 21, 2019 14:24:13 GMT -5
Class AA is the city and state’s highest division, so he did not face the toughest comp in A, but 2 of their losses were to Albany Academy, inc in the State AA championship. Albany is always strong. There are small school divisions as well, B, C, D. Looks as if he is more a rebounding and defensive force now with a big upside. Soccer has been his best sport.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 21, 2019 14:25:42 GMT -5
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 21, 2019 14:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by HCFC45 on Aug 21, 2019 16:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 21, 2019 16:50:49 GMT -5
I'm also skeptical about his so-called "offers." Probably just interest at this point from the schools mentioned. No VC page, no film clips that I could find
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 22, 2019 8:06:32 GMT -5
Holy Cross 2020 offers, as of August 22nd. PG - Kaden Metheny (WV - University HS), 5-10. Offers from Penn, URI, William and Mary, a few MAC schools, and others. CG - Tyler Kolek (RI - St. George's), 6-3. Other offers from Penn, Bucknell, Richmond, Towson, Lehigh, Vermont, several more. CG – Sebastien Lamaute (CAN – College Jean de Brebeuf), 6-3. Interest from Vermont, BC. SF - Judson Martindale (MA - Worcester Academy), 6-6. Offers from Bucknell, Vermont, BU, American, Fairfield, others. PF - Sam Thomson (MA - Brooks School), 6-9. Other offers from multiple PL and Ivy schools, Vermont, Wofford, Canisius, etc. PF - Andrew Carr (PA - West Chester HS), 6-9. COMMITTED TO DELAWARE.PF - Reece Brown (CT - Loomis Chaffee School), 6-8. Offers from Richmond, UMass, St. Louis, Rutgers, Delaware, BU, multiple MAAC schools . . . C - Noel Brown (VA - Flint Hill), 6-11. Other offers from St. Bonaventure, Bucknell, Fairfield, Robert Morris, Colgate, URI, Lehigh, Brown, others
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Post by hchoops on Aug 25, 2019 17:19:59 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 25, 2019 19:49:05 GMT -5
Where is AVB’s younger brother in all this?
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Post by hchoops on Aug 25, 2019 19:53:00 GMT -5
Where is AVB’s younger brother in all this? I believe it is a cousin, and I think we are not involved. Here is his VC page. Just a guess, but with no academic schools listed, his grades may be an issue. www.verbalcommits.com/players/justin-vander-baan
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 26, 2019 5:29:41 GMT -5
Where is AVB’s younger brother in all this? I believe it is a cousin, and I think we are not involved. Here is his VC page. Just a guess, but with no academic schools listed, his grades may be an issue. www.verbalcommits.com/players/justin-vander-baanThank you. You’re right, no academic schools shown - just BC and some other “meh”-type places. Does BC still offer a major in Spelling?
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 26, 2019 6:55:32 GMT -5
Yes, but they spell it..."speling" (with only one "l").
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