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Post by trimster on May 25, 2018 21:09:23 GMT -5
I picked up a copy of Worcester Magazine today and there was a story about a groundbreaking ceremony for a 21 million dollar development in Kelley Square in Worcester, down the street from a site that has been proposed for a baseball stadium. The Red Sox Triple A affiliate, the Pawtucket Red Sox, have been angling for a new stadium in Rhode Island. Nothing has developed in RI. Among the dignitaries wielding shovels at the ceremony was the Pawsox President. Could be an indication Worcester's bid to bring the Pawsox to the Canal District in Worcester is very much alive.
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Post by rf1 on May 26, 2018 10:07:07 GMT -5
Or the Pawsox president attended the event as leverage to put more pressure on the RI Speaker of the House who has held the stadium bill hostage. The bill has the support of Pawtucket, the RI governor, and has already passed the RI Senate.
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Post by trimster on May 26, 2018 11:02:29 GMT -5
Good point but one thing Worcester has going for it is the city seems to really want the PawSox. Not sure that is the case for RI.
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Post by timholycross on May 28, 2018 21:42:39 GMT -5
Where does the money come from? Comm of mass or Worcester?
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Post by Tom on May 29, 2018 7:35:09 GMT -5
Where does the money come from? Comm of mass or Worcester? Probably both if it comes to pass
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Post by timholycross on May 29, 2018 7:51:44 GMT -5
Where does the money come from? Comm of mass or Worcester? Probably both if it comes to pass They'd have to convince people that the hole in the ground needs to be cleaned up anyway and this would be a cost effective (after factoring in the revenue from the place) way of doing it.
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Post by Tom on May 29, 2018 9:51:27 GMT -5
Probably both if it comes to pass They'd have to convince people that the hole in the ground needs to be cleaned up anyway and this would be a cost effective (after factoring in the revenue from the place) way of doing it. I probably should have bold faced the "if" because I am still a doubting Thomas on this ever happening. However, IF it does happen, the PawSox are looking for someone else to build a stadium. I don't see the city doing it by themselves. As I understand the proposal, the park would be across Madison St from Wyman Gordon's old facility. I'm no geology expert, but I'm guessing site contamination would be somewhat less severe across the street than on the actual site itself
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Post by rf1 on May 29, 2018 18:27:25 GMT -5
The downtown Pawtucket-RI stadium now appears as if it might be a go. The main obstacle to it, RI House Speaker Mattiello, has come out publicly in support of a revamped bill. The Pawtucket mayor and city council, RI Governor, and RI Senate had already endorsed the stadium. The speaker, which sometimes is referred to as the most important person in RI (controls all the bills that come up), was the last person standing in the way of needed state legislation. The proposed $83-million cost of the stadium (not including borrowing expenses) would be financed with the team contributing up to $45 million, the state $23 million and Pawtucket $15 million. The planned site is along the Blackstone River bordering Route 95 in downtown Pawtucket. It would be less than a mile from their longtime home at McCoy Stadium. Mattiello throws support behind revamped PawSox stadium planwww.providencejournal.com/news/20180529/mattiello-throws-support-behind-revamped-pawsox-stadium-plan
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on May 31, 2018 22:13:23 GMT -5
The downtown Pawtucket-RI stadium now appears as if it might be a go. The main obstacle to it, RI House Speaker Mattiello, has come out publicly in support of a revamped bill. The Pawtucket mayor and city council, RI Governor, and RI Senate had already endorsed the stadium. The speaker, which sometimes is referred to as the most important person in RI (controls all the bills that come up), was the last person standing in the way of needed state legislation. The proposed $83-million cost of the stadium (not including borrowing expenses) would be financed with the team contributing up to $45 million, the state $23 million and Pawtucket $15 million. The planned site is along the Blackstone River bordering Route 95 in downtown Pawtucket. It would be less than a mile from their longtime home at McCoy Stadium. Mattiello throws support behind revamped PawSox stadium planwww.providencejournal.com/news/20180529/mattiello-throws-support-behind-revamped-pawsox-stadium-planNot so fast, the PawSox ownership doesn’t like this bill, the lack of state backing and the increased financing costs without state backing. Also, with all the risk on the shoulders of the town of Pawtucket, they don’t want the responsibility of bankrupting a town.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 1, 2018 8:38:55 GMT -5
The deal in RI looks like it is there on the table for the PawSox to accept. The only way they don't remain there is if someone else offers a much better deal real soon that won't require a long approval process.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 1, 2018 8:41:52 GMT -5
Looks like the PawSox plan may have worked
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 1, 2018 9:06:28 GMT -5
From what I hear the Worcester deal is much better, and will clean up two polluted, empty lot eyesores in the Kelley Square area. Luccino wants an urban ballpark. The Worcester location is perfect. My bet is on the team moving.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 4, 2018 10:42:43 GMT -5
From what I hear the Worcester deal is much better, and will clean up two polluted, empty lot eyesores in the Kelley Square area. Luccino wants an urban ballpark. The Worcester location is perfect. My bet is on the team moving.
Since the deal for the proposed Pawtucket-RI stadium includes 38M in public monies, a better deal for a Worcester stadium would imply that more than 38M will come from sources outside the PawSox ownership. Where is this Worcester stadium money coming from?
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 5, 2018 14:06:10 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 5, 2018 14:19:30 GMT -5
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Post by HCFC45 on Jun 5, 2018 18:41:20 GMT -5
1. Only in Rhode Island! 2. Why wouldn't the Sox organization want to flee this state that is run so incompetently (and I say this as a Rhode Island taxpayer)? Where's Buddy Cianci when you need him??? !
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 6, 2018 16:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by rf1 on Jun 6, 2018 21:01:50 GMT -5
You are pretty good at finding stories about issues in RI that likely have nothing to do with the Paw Sox. Since you have so much time on your hands, why not answer the question I posed several days ago. Where is the in excess of 38M coming from for a Worcester Stadium? You claim the Worcester deal is far better for the team but offered no concrete details. Also please let me know how Worcester officials have allayed the concerns of the team about moving to a much smaller population metro area with no tv media for promotion and recent local history of multiple failed minor league sports teams.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 6, 2018 22:43:13 GMT -5
You are pretty good at finding stories about issues in RI that likely have nothing to do with the Paw Sox. Since you have so much time on your hands, why not answer the question I posed several days ago. Where is the in excess of 38M coming from for a Worcester Stadium? You claim the Worcester deal is far better for the team but offered no concrete details. Also please let me know how Worcester officials have allayed the concerns of the team about moving to a much smaller population metro area with no tv media for promotion and recent local history of multiple failed minor league sports teams.
If you read Bill Ballou’s articles in the Worcester Telegram he writes about all those concerns and how the city of Worcester has addressed them. Obviously I don’t know the ins and outs of all the funding sources but it will be a combination of city, state and team resources. Charlie Baker has a video online interview on the Telegram website and he talks about state support for the move. It seems to me that you are not really concerned about the concerns of the Pawsox or how the funding will happen. It seems as though the thought of something good happening for the city of Worcester makes you upset.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 7, 2018 6:19:43 GMT -5
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Post by rf1 on Jun 7, 2018 7:46:52 GMT -5
You are pretty good at finding stories about issues in RI that likely have nothing to do with the Paw Sox. Since you have so much time on your hands, why not answer the question I posed several days ago. Where is the in excess of 38M coming from for a Worcester Stadium? You claim the Worcester deal is far better for the team but offered no concrete details. Also please let me know how Worcester officials have allayed the concerns of the team about moving to a much smaller population metro area with no tv media for promotion and recent local history of multiple failed minor league sports teams.
If you read Bill Ballou’s articles in the Worcester Telegram he writes about all those concerns and how the city of Worcester has addressed them. Obviously I don’t know the ins and outs of all the funding sources but it will be a combination of city, state and team resources. Charlie Baker has a video online interview on the Telegram website and he talks about state support for the move. It seems to me that you are not really concerned about the concerns of the Pawsox or how the funding will happen. It seems as though the thought of something good happening for the city of Worcester makes you upset.
So you have ZERO details, just general statements. Would think a lot more will be needed to make things a reality. Seems to me that the same construction team that built the New England Patriots stadium in Hartford might also be building the Worcester baseball park.
I don't an issue with good things happening in Worcester, a city I enjoyed during my college years and after (have over ten years going to school, living, or working in Worcester County). I just don't want it to be at the expense of the city and state I grew up in. I felt this same way when there were talks of a move to Providence. I lived less than a mile from McCoy Stadium (knew the nephew of the man it was named after) and could often hear the roar of the crowd on warm summer nights. Many of my classmates had summer jobs there and one has stayed on ever since and manages the stadium operations to this day. When I was young, the GM of the team that had Jim Rice and Fred Lynn on the roster lived a few houses away. I was actually there for the conclusion of the longest baseball game (33 innings) in history. The team has been part of the fabric of Pawtucket for over 50 years and I hope to see it continue.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 7, 2018 8:02:52 GMT -5
If you read Bill Ballou’s articles in the Worcester Telegram he writes about all those concerns and how the city of Worcester has addressed them. Obviously I don’t know the ins and outs of all the funding sources but it will be a combination of city, state and team resources. Charlie Baker has a video online interview on the Telegram website and he talks about state support for the move. It seems to me that you are not really concerned about the concerns of the Pawsox or how the funding will happen. It seems as though the thought of something good happening for the city of Worcester makes you upset.
So you have ZERO details, just general statements. Would think a lot more be needed to make tings a reality. Seems to me that the same construction team that built the New England Patriots stadium in Hartford might also be building the Worcester baseball park.
I see what’s happening in Rhode Island and Pawtucket with their budget problems. I see the overwhelming public sentiment against any subsidies for the Pawsox from the citizens of Rhode Island. I see unexpected events that have thrown the upcoming Rhode Island budget in to turmoil. I see the state of Rhode Island not backing the bonds for this project increasing the borrowing costs. I see all the risk out put on Pawtucket, a town that already has major debt and unfunded pension liabilities. On the other side, Worcester and the state of Massachusetts are rolling out the red carpet for the team and showing they are truly wanted. A parcel of property is in Worcester that would fit in to Larry Luccino’s vision of an urban ballpark. There is overwhelming public support for this to happen in Worcester. If you think those are general statements that’s fine. But, I can look at what’s going on and form an opinion. I did not make up all those things.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 7, 2018 8:13:38 GMT -5
So you have ZERO details, just general statements. Would think a lot more be needed to make tings a reality. Seems to me that the same construction team that built the New England Patriots stadium in Hartford might also be building the Worcester baseball park.
I see what’s happening in Rhode Island and Pawtucket with their budget problems. I see the overwhelming public sentiment against any subsidies for the Pawsox from the citizens of Rhode Island. I see unexpected events that have thrown the upcoming Rhode Island budget in to turmoil. I see the state of Rhode Island not backing the bonds for this project increasing the borrowing costs. I see all the risk out put on Pawtucket, a town that already has major debt and unfunded pension liabilities. On the other side, Worcester and the state of Massachusetts are rolling out the red carpet for the team and showing they are truly wanted. A parcel of property is in Worcester that would fit in to Larry Luccino’s vision of an urban ballpark. There is overwhelming public support for this to happen in Worcester. If you think those are general statements that’s fine. But, I can look at what’s going on and form an opinion. I did not make up all those things.
More generalities. Several unsubstantiated assertions. No details. Few things get built via this method.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 7, 2018 8:16:32 GMT -5
I see what’s happening in Rhode Island and Pawtucket with their budget problems. I see the overwhelming public sentiment against any subsidies for the Pawsox from the citizens of Rhode Island. I see unexpected events that have thrown the upcoming Rhode Island budget in to turmoil. I see the state of Rhode Island not backing the bonds for this project increasing the borrowing costs. I see all the risk out put on Pawtucket, a town that already has major debt and unfunded pension liabilities. On the other side, Worcester and the state of Massachusetts are rolling out the red carpet for the team and showing they are truly wanted. A parcel of property is in Worcester that would fit in to Larry Luccino’s vision of an urban ballpark. There is overwhelming public support for this to happen in Worcester. If you think those are general statements that’s fine. But, I can look at what’s going on and form an opinion. I did not make up all those things.
More generalities. No details. Few things get built via this method.
I have looked at what is going on and formed an opinion. Maybe I’m wrong, we’ll find out this month. I’ll admit it if I am wrong, I hope you’ll do the same.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 9, 2018 15:35:18 GMT -5
More generalities. No details. Few things get built via this method.
I have looked at what is going on and formed an opinion. Maybe I’m wrong, we’ll find out this month. I’ll admit it if I am wrong, I hope you’ll do the same. The state should do what they did for Kraft in Fox borough... infrastructure (which was a pretty decent chunk of change iirc). No more than that.
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