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Post by sader1970 on Jun 20, 2016 13:09:58 GMT -5
To this I say/sing(?) :
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 20, 2016 13:56:36 GMT -5
Well, there is a happy ending for the Ram since his high hopes were realized. "Oops, there goes a billion kilowatt dam!" (So any time your feelin' bad 'stead of feelin' sad Just remember that ram Oops there goes a billion kilowatt dam) Apparently dams are easier for a Ram to bring down than are A-10 championships.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 20, 2016 14:09:05 GMT -5
Yeah, and my late father used to say that if you put 10 monkeys in a room with a Royal typewriter (remember those?) in front of them, it might take thousands of years but eventually they would type the King James version of the Bible without even one typographical error. (Like me, he was a history major, not a math major).
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 20, 2016 15:32:11 GMT -5
The way I heard it if you put an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters with enough time they would (by pure chance) type all of the great books of the Western World. (...but I too am a history major!)
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 20, 2016 16:09:37 GMT -5
I always heard it as you'd get the writings of Shakespeare. And I was a Chemistry major!
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Post by beaven302 on Jun 20, 2016 16:39:28 GMT -5
Great input above from many posters. HC 92, as he so often does, captures the essence of an issue when referencing "People looking each day for new ways to be offended". It would be great if HC could show some leadership in pushing back against the insanity of overdone political correctness by staying with "Crusaders" . When you think about it, is there any mascot that is impervious to criticism? "Wildcats" do damage to livestock, "Lions" are currently being investigated in India as a man eater is at work there, "Blue Devils" glorify Satan, the "Crimson Tide" evokes the concept of the red tide that renders shellfish inedible, "Engineers" have been responsible for countless disasters, and on and on we go...... So I guess we can all agree then that the only perfect mascot is the powerful yet peaceful, non environmentally damaging, elegant and athletic, RAM Thank you, your are all welcome on our side! Sorry, but rams settle contests over females by bashing their heads together, which is very un-PC.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 20, 2016 20:00:29 GMT -5
Well, whatever version we all heard, I think we are pretty unanimous that it will never be the Holy Cross "Rams."
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2016 8:07:28 GMT -5
Well, whatever version we all heard, I think we are pretty unanimous that it will never be the Holy Cross "Rams." And thank goodness for that. I could never support such a sexist mascot that totally excluded females (ewes)!
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 21, 2016 8:17:52 GMT -5
Yes calling the women's teams Rams is quite confusing and offensive. I suggest Fordham change their mascot to the inclusive Sheep. And since the competitors in these contests are generally 18 - 22 year old men and women - that is, not fully mature - they could also go with the Lambs!
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2016 8:33:38 GMT -5
Yes calling the women's teams Rams is quite confusing and offensive. I suggest Fordham change their mascot to the inclusive Sheep. And since the competitors in these contests are generally 18 - 22 year old men and women - that is, not fully mature - they could also go with the Lambs! I like the image of "Lambs to the slaughter." Let's get them back on the HC hoop schedule!
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Post by freethef4 on Jun 21, 2016 10:00:41 GMT -5
I am pleased that my mild jibe has provided a few moments of jocularity, precious relief from the dire consequences you face; loss of identity, especially as you prepare to become the home team in a Bronx Tale that will end badly and possibly send you scurrying in search of a new mascot. Retreat to your slave master quarters on a bluff over Worcester, retreat in shame over your terrible, awful, cruel, murderous, rapacious, thief upon a steed. Retreat I say, get thee to the Contemplative Center where you may discern a new identity that sullies you no longer!
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Post by hchoops on Jun 21, 2016 10:07:14 GMT -5
Touché
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 21, 2016 11:08:37 GMT -5
Ahhh, given the vulgar (and quite honestly wholly uncreative and haphazard) genesis of the Ram cognomen, fordham.libguides.com/c.php?g=279582&p=1863712I say, let he who has proper discernment cast the first stone. Furthermore, given that the word Crusade did not appear in the English language until the early 1700s, derived from the 16th French croisade and Spanish cruzada,- all well after any of the Crusades - and meaning one marked by a cross or cross bearer, I would posit that Crusader was properly discerned and perfectly approprbecome the iate for Holy Cross.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2016 11:13:49 GMT -5
Impressive when what is basically a good-natured "pi$$ing match" becomes a history lecture. Learning comes in all forms!
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Post by beaven302 on Jun 21, 2016 12:00:23 GMT -5
I am pleased that my mild jibe has provided a few moments of jocularity, precious relief from the dire consequences you face; loss of identity, especially as you prepare to become the home team in a Bronx Tale that will end badly and possibly send you scurrying in search of a new mascot. Retreat to your slave master quarters on a bluff over Worcester, retreat in shame over your terrible, awful, cruel, murderous, rapacious, thief upon a steed. Retreat I say, get thee to the Contemplative Center where you may discern a new identity that sullies you no longer! Like many institutions founded before the Civil War, Fordham has its own ties to slavery, however tangential. The founder of St. John's College, the future Fordham University, Bishop John Hughes, reportedly once said that slavery was "not an absolute and unmitigated evil." He also supposedly said that the abolition of slavery would be unconstitutional and that Abraham Lincoln should resign if he freed the slaves. In addition, one of the first deans of Fordham's Law School began his career working in the office of New York City's leading Catholic lawyer, Charles O'Conor, who was decidedly pro-slavery. As for rams, these sexist cud-chewers not only engage in fierce combat for the favors of the ewes, but they appear to display no sensitivity to the needs and desires of the females of the species. How inconsiderate of them.
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Post by freethef4 on Jun 21, 2016 12:46:13 GMT -5
"fierce combat for the favors of the ewes" pretty much sums up my time at Rose Hill. I offer a geographic alternative for you to consider "The Pleasant Springers" a nod to the language and culture of indigenous peoples, Corporate tie in with Polar Beverage, interesting graphic opportunities and a real chance to set yourself up for the environmentalists great impending water crisis. Get on this!
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 21, 2016 12:52:25 GMT -5
Only if Fordham goes back to the Rose Hills.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 21, 2016 12:53:07 GMT -5
A very fine and entertaining thread. Thank you, our Jesuit brethren from the Bronx, for the humorous give and take. All in good fun.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 21, 2016 13:41:59 GMT -5
This is a topic that came up when I was a student, and it infuriated me enough at the time to write a Purple Pennings entry during my generally inconsequential one-year term as sports editor of the Crusader (which, I assume, would also have to be renamed should a mascot change take place).
I thought then as I do know that a world that forces Holy Cross to strip itself of the Crusader identity is one dangerously teetering on the edge of a slippery slope. There's been any number of examples already cited in this thread of mascots that can be related in one way or another to some previous horrible happening in human history.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 21, 2016 14:01:41 GMT -5
Very nice contributions from our Jesuit brother from Fordham!,
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2016 18:49:34 GMT -5
I'll opine that the traditional Holy Cross Crusader may be in some trouble.
Other institutions with Crusader mascots
Alvenir U. (Franciscan, mascot helmet with visor, no shield, no weapon) Belmont Abbey (Benedictine. helmet with visor and plume, in profile only) Capital U.(Lutheran. purple, mascot Roman helmet, spear?) Clarke U (Archdiocese of Dubuque. mascot symbol male lion Evangel U. (Assemblies of God. knight on horseback with lance in profile (possibly discontinued) Holy Cross Tennessee Temple (Baptist. redirected to Piedmont International Univ., mascot is the bruins) Valpo (Lutheran, helmet with visor, shield with no cross, no weapon) William Carey (Baptist, helmet with visor, shield with cross, no weapon)
Holy Cross has the most menacing of the Crusader mascots (e.g., with raised sword).
Colleges and universities with nicknames of a warlike or disreputable nature.. Trojans, Spartans, Vikings, Knights, Raiders, Buccaneers, Warriors, Aztecs, Pirates, Bullets (Gettysburg), Lancers, Grenadiers, Bombers (Ithaca), Minutemen, Rebels (Ole Miss, also UNLV), Marauders, Musketeers
Of the above, I think Aztec is highly questionable, practicing as they did, human sacrifice.
The issue I see with Crusaders, is that, in essence, they embarked on religious wars, variously directed against Islam, Judaism, the Greek Orthodox and the Eastern Rite, and no less than five crusades against the heretic Jan Hus and his followers (Hus helped lay the foundation for the Reformation.)
Of the nine Crusades that ventured into the Middle East, the only non-problematic one was the Sixth, undertaken by an excommunicated emperor who proceeded without the blessing of the Pope, and secured Jerusalem through diplomatic means rather than force-of-arms.
Finally, two inexplicable nicknames: Gyrenes (Ave Maria) Nads (RSDI)
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 21, 2016 18:58:44 GMT -5
phreek - also, Susquehanna University Crusaders (Lutheran).
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 21, 2016 18:59:54 GMT -5
Nads (RSDI). Gotta love this one! Their cheer is likely - GO NADS !
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2016 19:39:24 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2016 20:22:12 GMT -5
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