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Post by moose1970 on Sept 19, 2018 19:22:13 GMT -5
i am truly underwhelmed by the breath and depth of your comment. btw, quit·ter noun informal a person who gives up easily or does not have the courage or determination to finish a task.1- i do not give up easily (to the dismay of some on crossports); 2- i will finish the task of speaking out for the success of Crusader football
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Post by HC92 on Sept 19, 2018 19:31:29 GMT -5
I think this discussion has run its course and all sides have been well-represented. We’re on to Dartmouth.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 19, 2018 19:52:23 GMT -5
I thought we already gave the max number of scholarships allowed by the Patriot League. No? We do. However, for a couple or three years, we did not IIRC.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 19, 2018 20:48:54 GMT -5
Hey Moose....it is one or two games per year....and BC is on the schedule in 2020 and it is not clear that there will be any thereafter....lighten up! The kids want to play them, we need the cash, it is a good proposition. Yes, we know the score for the most part.... were you in attendance at the BC game? It was a terrific environment - so, until the student-athletes say no....I say go ahead. I would limit it to BC, the military academies, UConn and UMass for the most part. And with this coach, in due time, it won't be 28-0 at the end of the first quarter. ".lighten up!"hey, i got people here calling me names. it's not the other way around. "The kids want to play them"really? i know that is what they say when asked by the media. actually, i would like to see a secret ballot type question given to the HC football players asking if they want to continue playing games v BC or, say, v another Boston area school, Harvard, on a similar schedule. " we need the cash"some comments say that we do not actually "need the cash" but it is "nice". i question how much cash we actually net out of the BC game (see questions I raised in my prior posts which no one has tried to answer) "were you in attendance at the BC game?"no, i watched the game, or most of it, on ESPN. yes, glad to hear that the environment in the stands was terrific as it should be. "with this coach, in due time, it won't be 28-0 at the end of the first quarter."I am super impressed and delighted with Coach Chesney so far. but the sad truth is that if BC kept its starters in the "game" and told them to keep playing football as they could the first quarter score would have been much worst. Coach Chesney or any other football coach will not be able to change that without a major restructuring of the football program, $$$. again, we do not need to put our players and coaches in that situation.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 19, 2018 21:25:17 GMT -5
mm67, I don't think equating power 5 teams with all D-IA teams is valid. UMass is not P5 but is D-IA and they got killed by BC the week before.
Last year, we played UConn, also a D-IA team but not P5 and we played them even until the final score and with a break, we could/would have won.
So do you think Army would be taking out their first stringers in the first quarter against Holy Cross if they were on our schedule?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 19, 2018 21:26:52 GMT -5
No but in a few years maybe we would.......
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Post by matunuck on Sept 19, 2018 21:37:14 GMT -5
Can’t wait for that Navy game with the flyover and everything else. Great experience for all. Thank you Nate Pine.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 19, 2018 22:17:11 GMT -5
Moose, I certainly see your point playing against Syracuse but not as sure about BC despite the score of a couple of weeks ago ("you had to be there," as they say). But, for the sake or argument, say we again discontinue playing BC - not that it is even planned to be a regular annual thing, only occasionally - I would be interested in your thoughts: 1. Who, if any, D-IA teams should we play? 2. If we play no D-IA teams, what D-IAA teams should we play instead?* 3. If no D-IA teams on the schedule, do you feel we should de-emphasize football by: A. Reduce the number of scholarships? B. Eliminate football athletic scholarships? 4. If HC keeps the same number of scholarships and eliminate D-IA "pay" games, how do you make up the additional revenue shortfall? (Understanding the reason for increasing the number of scholarships was to be able to schedule D-IA "pay" games) * If you think we should play California schools, how would we pay for the much greater travel costs? Caution: If your answer to 3B is "yes," be prepared to either say we drop down to D-II or D-III football and give up playing all teams we've played for decades upon decades and if you think the crowds in Fitton are small now, you'll hear crickets. If you believe we can go back to no football scholarships but stay at D-IAA, games against Colgate, Dartmouth, Lehigh will look similar to the BC results of a couple of weeks ago. If your answer to 3A is "yes," be prepared to have the success of Georgetown within the Patriot League. Having played football at Holy Cross, I know that this is a subject that you have real interest in and your posts have contributed to the discussion and have helped the rest of us to not take things for granted or assumed things because "we've always done it this way."
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 19, 2018 23:36:37 GMT -5
look, all i did was post a couple of newspaper articles from the sports page for edification purposes here. you guys could have read them, ignored them, lined the bottom of the bird cage ( probably not, they were e-mail so that would not work) but nooooooo, that would have been too easy.
a few who commented did not bother to read the articles because they set forth the issues on both sides and did not favor what i propose for HC.
so i will try to respond to your quiz as best i can:
1. Who, if any, D-IA teams should we play?
By "D-1A" i assume you mean football programs that get ranked in the nations top 20, actively pursuing major bowl bids and spending $ where for openers they pay the head football coach in the range of $2+ million/yr? Answer: NONE
2. If we play no D-IA teams, what D-IAA teams should we play instead?*
For starters, basically from a pool of those football programs not listed above and, apparently, limited to the northeast due to cost of travel (see below).
3. If no D-IA teams on the schedule, do you feel we should de-emphasize football by: A. Reduce the number of scholarships?
Objection, incomplete hypothetical, assumes facts not in evidence, vague, ambiguous, unintelligible, misleading so that the witness must guess as to its meaning (sorry about that) Without waiving said objection, answer is NO.
B. Eliminate football athletic scholarships?
NO, (same for NCAA athletic grants in other sports)
4. If HC keeps the same number of scholarships and eliminate D-IA "pay" games, how do you make up the additional revenue shortfall? (Understanding the reason for increasing the number of scholarships was to be able to schedule D-IA "pay" games)
First, i understand we had to increase football NCAA grants to get BC, Syracuse to agree to play us in football. We can recover some of the lost expenses by dropping the extra football NCAA grants. Next, i question the "net" pay day we receive for these games after considering other added expenses and the effects on other HC sports programs. (see my prior posts).
* If you think we should play California schools, how would we pay for the much greater travel costs?
although certainly more convenient for me to attend CA games, i do not consider that a goal to pursue. I just used the game v st mary's in moraga, ca as an example.
i don't have a good answer for this since i don't know the amounts of the involved travel expenses. if travel and related expenses are such absolute prohibitions to scheduling occasional football games outside the northeast, i would propose consideration of the following:
schedule a home and away series with some worthy opponent ouitside the northeast: save hotel expenses by arranging for HC players to stay in dorm rooms at the other school. i.e. our receivers would stay in dorm rooms arranged by their receivers. qb's with qb's, etc. same arrangement for defense players. same thing when the other team comes to worcester.
i know there must be a hundred reasons why this would never possibly work but i am throwing it out there anyway. (you guys have nothing else to criticize, right?)
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Post by ts1970 on Sept 20, 2018 0:31:47 GMT -5
just glad to hear that i am helping you get some much needed beauty rest. pax, Chuckling.........a good retort...... touché
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Post by JRGNYR on Sept 21, 2018 10:12:29 GMT -5
moose, we appreciate you posting and providing your thoughts. It's a little unreasonable to think that posting links to a story on what's been a really hot topic of late around here would go without further response from people who don't agree with your hypotheses.
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Post by joe on Sept 21, 2018 10:37:03 GMT -5
If we play a game in CA it should be against Stanford.
Chew on that one.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 21, 2018 11:11:22 GMT -5
If we play a game in CA it should be against Stanford. Chew on that one. GAG!
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 21, 2018 11:54:02 GMT -5
moose, we appreciate you posting and providing your thoughts. It's a little unreasonable to think that posting links to a story on what's been a really hot topic of late around here would go without further response from people who don't agree with your hypotheses.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 21, 2018 12:00:54 GMT -5
moose, we appreciate you posting and providing your thoughts. It's a little unreasonable to think that posting links to a story on what's been a really hot topic of late around here would go without further response from people who don't agree with your hypotheses. good point, but i posted the articles since they try to present both sides of the argument. i am hopeful that we can all take time to reflect on this and consider what is best for the future of Crusader football. i am not trying to win an argument for argument sake. pax
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 21, 2018 12:11:01 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, MOOSE!!
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Post by timholycross on Sept 24, 2018 7:15:16 GMT -5
Nebraska picked up BC to fill in its open date caused by the lightning storm that cancelled its Sept 1 game with Akron.
That's BC as in Bethune Cookman. They are even maroon and gold.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 24, 2018 8:07:09 GMT -5
Wow--likely a big pay day for BC and a 35 point drubbing
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 14:15:04 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Sept 26, 2018 14:46:00 GMT -5
I would hardly equate getting $1,000,000 to play football against Oregon as getting #$@&^*!ed. Its called a gift. P.S. I think a better movie metaphor to support your position would be Indecent Proposal.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 14:56:06 GMT -5
I would hardly equate getting $1,000,000 to play football against Oregon as getting #$@&^*!ed. Its called a gift. P.S. I think a better movie metaphor to support your position would be Indecent Proposal.
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Post by moose1970 on Sept 26, 2018 15:03:55 GMT -5
so Oregon, BC, etc are acting like some santa claus for SJSU, HC, etc? there is a price tag on this "gift". sort of like that "free lunch" they are always talking about.
yes, "Indecent Proposal" gets the point across.
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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 26, 2018 20:44:15 GMT -5
Can’t wait for that Navy game with the flyover and everything else. Great experience for all. Thank you Nate Pine. Having grown up in Annapolis with a Grandfather who was a big-time football player at Navy, I can tell you that the experience will not let you down...
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