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Post by gks on Feb 10, 2020 11:49:17 GMT -5
If we can agree that the Ivy generally recruits better than the PL and that GU is using an aggressive Ivy model to recruit, then we can conclude that GU is a very serious contender going forward Ivy recruits better than PL because they have no limits. They'd be well over the FBS equivalencies level....by a lot. Georgetown has the PL cap to worry about but they are closer to the limit than they want you to believe.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 10, 2020 17:46:41 GMT -5
I view Georgetown football like the pre-2004 Red Sox. It is well within their power to become very good at football quickly. They just have to choose to do so. Once the Red Sox stopped acting like they were the Brewers and decided they wanted to get serious about making the commitment to win, they won.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 10, 2020 17:53:47 GMT -5
Looking at the roster it appears as if the highly touted Justin Bruno is not part of the team moving forward-did I miss something earlier?
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 10, 2020 18:08:07 GMT -5
Wow. HC came in at 28. I guess a lot of teams made up a lot of ground during second signing period.
URI jumped from 9 ranking pre signing day in CAA to 4.
Certainly a good recruiting class. Now prove it on the field.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 10, 2020 18:14:13 GMT -5
Looking at the roster it appears as if the highly touted Justin Bruno is not part of the team moving forward-did I miss something earlier? Played at rb as a freshman, did not play as a soph
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 10, 2020 18:17:38 GMT -5
Looking at the roster it appears as if the highly touted Justin Bruno is not part of the team moving forward-did I miss something earlier? I noticed he was missing as well today when I was looking at the roster by position. Does anyone know his status? Is he in the portal? Of concern, the roster currently list only four running backs, Oliver, Forrest, Ezema and Abrams. Based on the bios, I wonder if Joe Rivers will see action as a running back if any of the four are unable to play. There are sixteen wide receivers on the roster. Based on the roster, next year will be the Air Roper, instead of ground and pound, spread em and shred em. The RPO, will be PRO.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 10, 2020 18:17:50 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by hc2020 on Feb 10, 2020 18:32:32 GMT -5
Looking at the roster it appears as if the highly touted Justin Bruno is not part of the team moving forward-did I miss something earlier? I noticed he was missing as well today when I was looking at the roster by position. Does anyone know his status? Is he in the portal? Of concern, the roster currently list only four running backs, Oliver, Forrest, Ezema and Abrams. Based on the bios, I wonder if Joe Rivers will see action as a running back if any of the four are unable to play. There are sixteen wide receivers on the roster. Based on the roster, next year will be the Air Roper, instead of ground and pound, spread em and shred em. The RPO, will be PRO. Interesting development. Perhaps the base offense is going to feature a 3 WR set and only one RB. If that is the case, perhaps 4 is enough for now. I know Rivers played RB as well as OLB, but I always viewed his size and skill set as being perfectly tailored for the overhang SS position that Stefanik played last year. I guess we shall see.
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Post by hc2020 on Feb 10, 2020 18:39:21 GMT -5
Wow. HC came in at 28. I guess a lot of teams made up a lot of ground during second signing period. URI jumped from 9 ranking pre signing day in CAA to 4. Certainly a good recruiting class. Now prove it on the field. Surprised to see UNH at #40. I wonder if the head coach’s health issues last season may have influenced some of their recruits?
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 10, 2020 18:49:49 GMT -5
I think you might see Gregory as a scat back type along with slot WR. With his speed they will try to get him the ball in various ways (not necessarily as a Frosh)
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 10, 2020 19:08:21 GMT -5
5 teams in the Top 36 in the country.
I also get that you can probably slot all of the PL teams back 4-5 spots Ivies were included, but that still puts 5 teams in top 40 in the nation. Obviously everyone is stepping it up
Only 1 year but should bode well in future for the League.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 11, 2020 7:34:22 GMT -5
Herosports on not including the IL in the team rankings Transfers in are also not factored in the rankings.
Schools from the Northeast and DelMarVa in the top 50 JMU #1 Delaware #3 Villanova #6 Georgetown #24 Rhode Island #25 Richmond #27 HC #28 Lehigh #33 Colgate #35 Fordham #36 Stony Brook #39 New Hampshire #40 Monmouth #46 Morgan State #47
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Post by efg72 on Feb 11, 2020 8:32:37 GMT -5
My question is do these rankings matter?
I think if rankings were based on the ability of the recruited talent to fill immediate position needs getting playing time day one it would be meaningful. Otherwise is this a talent evaluation or a mix of talent and volume recruited? Does it consider the system these kids will be playing compared to the skills they bring?
Any way just a few thoughts on how these numbers should be interpreted..
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Post by trimster on Feb 11, 2020 8:55:22 GMT -5
My question is do these rankings matter? I think if rankings were based on the ability of the recruited talent to fill immediate position needs getting playing time day one it would be meaningful. Otherwise is this a talent evaluation or a mix of talent and volume recruited? Does it consider the system these kids will be playing compared to the skills they bring? Any way just a few thoughts on how these numbers should be interpreted.. Unless you are Mel Kiper, just kidding, how can you possibly be able to rank the thousands of kids involved in the scholarship game with accuracy. I am amazed these guys have created a business that people subscribe to for player rankings, team rankings, etc. I wonder if our own Joe Pridgen in hoops, was ranked anywhere at all on a national level and a year later he is well on course to be named the ROY in the PL. There are exceptions to my thoughts, Tom Konchalski in the NYC area comes to mind, but for the most part, I think these guys are hucksters.
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 11, 2020 9:10:28 GMT -5
In my opinion the rankings matter if you are consistently in the top 25/30 year after year. Yes there are some highly rated classes that don’t pan out for one year but if you are consistent stock piling highly rated talent it will show up on the field.
It’s why the top 15 every year in FBS is similar - because those schools get highly rated classes. There’s no perfect science to it but generally speaking the class rankings if high ranked consistently will produce results on the field.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2020 9:39:00 GMT -5
Do you think that it is significant that Monmouth is so low ?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2020 9:45:43 GMT -5
Perhaps that is why so many of their players take 5 years to develop.
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Post by breezy on Feb 11, 2020 11:35:54 GMT -5
Do you think that it is significant that Monmouth is so low ? I think the only possible answer is "Not necessarily." Each recruiting season is different. I presume that coaching staffs have certain goals or objectives, broken down by position. Much depends on the roster situation -- for example, the 2020 recruiting class for Holy Cross is at 27, but there are only 18 seniors on the 2020 roster, so it is likely that the 2021 recruiting class will be much smaller. I don't know what the situation is at Monmouth. Schools that utilize red-shirting generally have smaller recruiting classes, so there are fewer opportunities to get recruits that get noticed by outfits like Hero Sports, particularly when you are recruiting against CAA schools. The odds are that most schools will have some good years and some mediocre years. Perhaps this is just a mediocre year for Monmouth. Problems arise when you have several mediocre years in a row.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 11, 2020 12:06:22 GMT -5
Do you think that it is significant that Monmouth is so low ? Let's hope it means they'll really fall apart and we can beat them next time we see them in the playoffs.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 11, 2020 12:46:34 GMT -5
Herosports Top 25 PL 2020 recruits,
HC: Byron Shipman #2; Rutgers, 11 G5 offers, 6 FCS offers (Apparently, P5 schools are named; G5 are FBS conferences not in the P5) Terence Spence #5: 5 FBS offers, 12 FCS offers Quinton Gregory #16: 4 FBS, 3 FCS
Georgetown's recruits ranked #6, #7, #8, #10, #18, #19, #21, #24
Lehigh Donovan Thomas #1, (DB from FL) 6 Power Five Offers, 8 G5s #3, 2 FBS, 22 FCS offers #15 #25 (tied) (Not sure how a #1, #3, and #15, failed to beat out a #2, #5, and #16, unless unranked recruits were higher for HC than Lehigh.
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 11, 2020 12:54:56 GMT -5
I think you nailed it. Lehigh's class as of the first signing day was very uninspiring.
Behind the top 3 you had: Schon - 7 offers; Newman - 5/6 offers, Bolden - 5 offers; Dickson - 5 offers, Coker - 4 offers, Duchemin - 5 offers, Scott (AF decommit), Barron - 3 offers (including Navy, Bowling Green, Maine), Ezema - 5 offers; Lane - 4/5 offers
Those are off the top of my head but my guess is HC's class was deeper.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 11, 2020 13:24:16 GMT -5
Donovan Thomas' (#1) P5 offers (24/7 sports) included BC, Colorado St (not sure if this is a double count for Addazio), Indiana, Kentucky. Rivals had his Power 5 offers (other than the four listed supra) as also including Nebraska, VA Tech, Wake. Lehigh was the only FCS school on the Rivals list.
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Post by hc2020 on Feb 11, 2020 13:32:05 GMT -5
I think you nailed it. Lehigh's class as of the first signing day was very uninspiring. Behind the top 3 you had: Schon - 7 offers; Newman - 5/6 offers, Bolden - 5 offers; Dickson - 5 offers, Coker - 4 offers, Duchemin - 5 offers, Scott (AF decommit), Barron - 3 offers (including Navy, Bowling Green, Maine), Ezema - 5 offers; Lane - 4/5 offers Those are off the top of my head but my guess is HC's class was deeper. Agreed. Rivers had 5 D1 offers as well
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 12, 2020 12:16:06 GMT -5
Conference Break down of teams ranked in Top 40 recruiting rankings:
CAA - 8 MVFC - 7 Patriot - 5 Big Sky - 5 OVC - 5 SOCON - 4 Southland - 2 Big South - 2
Patriot is clearly getting more good players. If they continue to do so it should lead to more OOC wins and hopefully down the road maybe consistently getting to the round of 8/16. 1 season doesn't a trend make, but it's a big improvement relative to the rankings last year where HC blew every other PL team away. Granted Ivies aren't part of this - Harvard, Yale, Princeton would easily be in the top 15 with probably Dartmouth and Penn in Top 40 based on what I saw from commitments.
Step in the right direction.
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Post by hc2020 on Feb 17, 2020 11:05:42 GMT -5
Excellent summary of Mass. recruits who signed their NLI, including each of the Mass. players comprising our 2020 recruiting class:
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