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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 30, 2018 9:17:12 GMT -5
Especially if a young man or woman not on scholarship goes out for a scholarship team at HC, completes a financial aid form that doesn't take into account that he/she plays sports; gets a generous aid package (because they are entitled to it based on their family's financial situation) AND "it counts", then it's not a level playing field. In the situation you have described, the need-based aid would NOT count and the student-athlete would not be a counter. To clarify. For football, recruited athletes who receive need-based aid are counters. For an uncrecruited student who receives a financial aid package prior to enrollment, and after enrolling, becomes an unrecruited walk-on, then that student would not be a counter. Before the scollie years, HC was reporting spending $2-3 million+ on athletically related financial for football. That value was relatively easy to determine because one could compare the football expenses of the PL (- GU) with the football expenses of GU and the IL, which report zero athletically-related fin aid for football. I suspect a major reason why GU does not report athletically-related aid for football is Title IX. GU is <45 percent male, so it is likely every $ it spent on athletically related fin aid for football would require a matching $ for the women.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 26, 2018 12:05:42 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 26, 2018 12:31:51 GMT -5
Wow ! That is probably much higher than the acceptance rate for Asians, the main subject of the trial. And there are probably few Asian athletes.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 26, 2018 16:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Nov 26, 2018 16:41:07 GMT -5
If the 83 percent are recruited athletes as opposed to good students who just happen to play a sport, is that a bigger problem for Harvard? Or is neither situation a problem?
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Post by bison137 on Nov 26, 2018 20:29:32 GMT -5
If the 83 percent are recruited athletes as opposed to good students who just happen to play a sport, is that a bigger problem for Harvard? Or is neither situation a problem? I don't see this as a problem, and I think the two pcts are completely apples to oranges. The athletes applying to Harvard are largely ones who have been recruited and told they are "likely" to be accepted. Can't really compare that to a general pool of applicants.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 27, 2018 16:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 30, 2019 10:36:56 GMT -5
Power 5 schools are recognizing the quality of Ivy football and their coaches - this is something you would not find in the PL: Princeton's offensive coordinator, Sean Gleeson was just hired by Ok. State as their OC. That's a job that pays in the $1 mill range and up in the Big 12. To move to OSU as a position assistant would be significant but as a coordinator is amazing.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 30, 2019 10:42:08 GMT -5
Didn't Joe Moorhead go from HC at Fordham in to Penn State Off Coordinator in 2015 to Mississippi St.HC in 2017?
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 30, 2019 10:47:12 GMT -5
Yes, that's a fair point but a HC has a W/L record and league championships on his resume, while I don't think assistants can take such credit (maybe to borrow a school term, call it 'partial credit')
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 18, 2019 14:52:39 GMT -5
Brown has been lagging behind the others in the Ivy but it seems they're getting serious (if money has anything to do with it)
"The BrownTogether campaign recently eclipsed $100 million raised for the University’s athletic department. The donations have helped the University build new athletic facilities, hire top coaches and improve recruiting. These funds are part of a larger fundraising campaign launched by President Christina Paxson P’19. Since its launch, the campaign has raised money entirely through donations from Brown alums, parents and others associated with the University, according to the Director of Athletics Jack Hayes. The funds have been focused toward “three primary areas: facility projects, endowed coaching chairs and annual donations that help with general operating needs of athletics,” Hayes said."
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 18, 2019 14:57:16 GMT -5
Strains credulity that people associated with other colleges and universities didn't also contribute to help out Brown athletics. What's next? People from Harvard and Yale haven't contributed to our Crusader Athletics Fund!?
What a dopey statement by the Brown AD!
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 30, 2019 8:50:08 GMT -5
Another example of Ivy sports in general far out-pacing leagues like the PL is the caliber of their coaches - Princeton's women's bball coach Courtney Banghart has been hire to replace Sylvia Hatchell at North Carolina. Very interesting indeed
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Post by timholycross on Apr 30, 2019 11:29:20 GMT -5
Strains credulity that people associated with other colleges and universities didn't also contribute to help out Brown athletics. What's next? People from Harvard and Yale haven't contributed to our Crusader Athletics Fund!? What a dopey statement by the Brown AD! They play in a gym that would be the 4th or 5th best in Worcester if Brown were located there. Wonder if replacing it is part of the campaign?
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Post by realism on Apr 30, 2019 16:06:54 GMT -5
Another example of Ivy sports in general far out-pacing leagues like the PL is the caliber of their coaches - Princeton's women's bball coach Courtney Banghart has been hire to replace Sylvia Hatchell at North Carolina. Very interesting indeed While there may not be any coaches at HC that any other institution would look at, it's a significantly irresponsible statement to generalize that HC's situation is replicated throughout the PL. Perhaps in aggregate, the IL has more coaches than the PL who could move up the ladder in the NCAA ? But, in every PL institution, there are some excellent coaches. For starters, If you had the facts at hand of... say... the perennial top two or so head coaches leading every M's and W's PL sport, you'd be reluctant to project HC's situation onto the entire PL.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 24, 2019 11:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by unhfan on Jun 24, 2019 11:57:06 GMT -5
The eight finest institutions in the country! No questioning that!
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Post by hchoops on Jun 24, 2019 12:14:54 GMT -5
There may some arguments from Williams, Stanford, MIT etc
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Post by unhfan on Jun 24, 2019 12:38:27 GMT -5
There may some arguments from Williams, Stanford, MIT etc Let’s be honest! There is the Ivies and everyone else. I’m not sure who could argue against that.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 24, 2019 13:03:26 GMT -5
I will. Not at the top, so much. HYP hard to beat. But I would rather be in Williamstown than Providence or upper Manhattan, for example. I also prefer smaller schools in general. See Holy Cross. My daughter ‘HC ‘03 received her Master’s from Columbia and says there is no comparison with the education.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 24, 2019 13:05:56 GMT -5
There may some arguments from Williams, Stanford, MIT etc Let’s be honest! There is the Ivies and everyone else. I’m not sure who could argue against that. HYP, for sure. Brown and Cornell aren't among the eight best colleges and universities in the country.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 24, 2019 13:28:52 GMT -5
My cousin (same age as moi), could not get admitted to Holy Cross; graduated from Wheeling (before it became Wheeling Jesuit University) and went on to get a doctorate in education at Columbia University. My HC grad brother-in-law got his JD from Columbia and he ended up leading one of the top corporate law firms in the country after being in Air Force JAG. So, it's probably not the school that counts as much as the student and the work he/she is willing to put into the pursuit.
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Post by unhfan on Jun 24, 2019 13:29:03 GMT -5
There may some arguments from Williams, Stanford, MIT etc Let’s be honest! There is the Ivies and everyone else. I’m not sure who could argue against that. [b Perception of the country would say differently. I thought someone would say HC was. Glad I was right.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 24, 2019 13:33:05 GMT -5
If “the country” says that Cornell, Brown and Columbia are in the top 8, I have a problem with that country.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 24, 2019 14:03:37 GMT -5
Let's be sure we know what we mean by 8 finest institutions in the country. You're talking perceptions based on reputations
For graduate education ... the 8 Ivies are pretty damn good and that is where their reputations are built. And while I'll freely admit, perception is reality, the population in general largely transfers that graduate reputation to their undergrads - thus all the 1500+ SAT applications.
Per capita, by and large, I'd take the post grad success of the top small liberal arts college only grads vs. the Ivies only undergrads.
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