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Post by lou on Feb 11, 2019 9:29:08 GMT -5
He can help his case by starting to hit his threes After a great game yesterday, two costly misses near the end really hurt, along with a CLS miss. Three empty possessions. Then the inexplicable Jehyve foul
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 11, 2019 9:52:05 GMT -5
He can help his case by starting to hit his threes After a great game yesterday, two costly misses near the end really hurt, along with a CLS miss. Three empty possessions. Then the inexplicable Jehyve foul In 21 minutes, Copeland was 3-6 FG for seven points, two rebounds, one turnover, and two steals. Don't think that's great. Outside of Butler and Floyd, everyone was fairly pedestrian. I had really high hopes for Grandison after his great play in the non-conference, but I'm beginning to think he's not the guy that has the killer instinct and wants the ball in his hands in crunch time. He's pretty passive out there. Both he and Green haven't continued their stellar play into the PL portion of the schedule. It's interesting that Benzan's minutes have been slashed the last two games. He only played 18 minutes against Lafayette, which was three fewer than Copeland, and six more than CLS and Zignorski.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2019 11:08:48 GMT -5
as of today has to be Grandy PPG at 14 up from 9 3 pt FG% at .399 up from .317 FT% at .824 up from .741 MPG at 34.5 up from 27.5 other stats are similar to last season
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 11, 2019 11:21:31 GMT -5
Grandison's rebounds have been declining steadily - 6.6 per forty last year, 5.3 per forty overall this year (just 4.3 per in conference play, 3.1 in last eight games). Zero vs. Lafayette, his first goose egg of the season, and only the second of his career.
Most of his offensive numbers are, unsurprisingly, lower in conference play than in OOC.
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Post by possum on Feb 11, 2019 13:38:41 GMT -5
I guess it says something when no one sticks out as the most improved player. Based on OOC play I would've thought Grandison would easily be the guy, but his play has dropped off significantly in league play. If I had to make a choice now I'd go with Butler.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2019 16:02:21 GMT -5
Using a horse racing metaphor yet again (they often help illustrate the point) I'd say that we're at the 1/4th pole of a 1 &1/6th mile race. JG has a 1/2 length lead over JF; deep closer AB is about 4 lengths back but gaining ground and has just passed a fading CG. KC is 12 lengths back and rallying but has too much ground to make up. If JG and/or JF can find new reserves of stamina they could still hold off the closers and prevail.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2019 18:07:12 GMT -5
Using a horse racing metaphor yet again (they often help illustrate the point) I'd say that we're at the 1/4th pole of a 1 &1/6th mile race. JG has a 1/2 length lead over JF; deep closer AB is about 4 lengths back but gaining ground and has just passed a fading CG. KC is 12 lengths back and rallying but has too much ground to make up. If JG and/or JF can find new reserves of stamina they could still hold off the closers and prevail. Hard to argue much improvement for JF. Most of his numbers are very similar to last year’s.—Minutes, FG%, blocks. Points and, FT % down slightly, rebs up a bit at least 3 lengths back AB May be the leader. now the mpg are way up from 24.6 to 34.2, so the stats would have to be figured per 40 min but his percentages are up FG from .422 to .440 3s from .328 to .415 FT almost the same Raw numbers rebs from 3.7 to 4.8 assists almost 2 from 1 steals from under to over 1 ppg from 9.8 to 13.2 imo AB and JG are neck and neck as they head down the back stretch
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Post by possum on Feb 12, 2019 7:59:46 GMT -5
Another area where JG and CG games have fallen off significantly is in getting to the line. In OOC play JG and CG attempted 33 and 36 free throws respectively in league play those numbers are down to 18 and 17. In addition CG has not been to the line in 8 of the last 9 games. It appears league opponents have cut off lanes to the hoop and turned both into jump shooters.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 12, 2019 8:13:48 GMT -5
Another area where JG and CG games have fallen off significantly is in getting to the line. In OOC play JG and CG attempted 33 and 36 free throws respectively in league play those numbers are down to 18 and 17. In addition CG has not been to the line in 8 of the last 9 games. It appears league opponents have cut off lanes to the hoop and turned both into jump shooters. Their three-point rates have been significantly higher in conference play, supporting this observation. Grandison took 44% of his shots from deep in the OOC, 57% so far in PL play. Green's rate has increased from 35% to 40%.
Green's overall free throw rate (FTA/FGA) is 24%, but just 15% in PL games, while Grandison's 18% overall, only 14% in conference.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2019 20:59:40 GMT -5
Bringing this thread to the front page so we can debate the candidates when we're done with the post-mortem from tonight's game
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Post by lou on Mar 7, 2019 21:01:15 GMT -5
Think I got it right, Jehyve. Caleb next
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2019 21:12:52 GMT -5
To all posters: Let's hear some sales pitches for the player you think deserves the trophy.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 7, 2019 21:23:37 GMT -5
I'll go with the guy who improved in minutes, 2FG%, 3FG%, FTR, FT%, points, rebounds, assists, steals, turnovers, and personal fouls. Caleb Green
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 7, 2019 21:24:47 GMT -5
I'd say it's very tight between Caleb and Grandy - but I'll vote for Caleb - he was a warrior with all the minutes he played - we would have been lost without a dependable point guard, and he was just that - he'll probably have one of the Michigan kids beside him next season and that will be a major upgrade.
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Post by possum on Mar 7, 2019 21:45:12 GMT -5
I guess you could go with Green, Grandison or Butler but nobody made the significant jump we were hoping for particularly in PL play. Conventional thinking is that biggest jump occurs between freshmen and sophomore year if that holds true we are in trouble particularly with all the talent returning in the league next year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2019 21:58:52 GMT -5
I guess you could go with Green, Grandison or Butler but nobody made the significant jump we were hoping for particularly in PL play. Conventional thinking is that biggest jump occurs between freshmen and sophomore year if that holds true we are in trouble particularly with all the talent returning in the league next year. Niego's injury really cost him his sophomore year--had he not been injured I think he would have made that big move forward and would be the likely winner of the trophy. So--he can move forward next year
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Post by hcpride on Mar 7, 2019 22:01:19 GMT -5
I'll go with the guy who improved in minutes, 2FG%, 3FG%, FTR, FT%, points, rebounds, assists, steals, turnovers, and personal fouls. Caleb Green
That is one way to look at it - he made improvements in many categories. JF showed improvement in just about every category also: www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jehyve-floyd-1.html
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Post by Tom on Mar 8, 2019 8:28:24 GMT -5
I guess you could go with Green, Grandison or Butler but nobody made the significant jump we were hoping for particularly in PL play. Conventional thinking is that biggest jump occurs between freshmen and sophomore year if that holds true we are in trouble particularly with all the talent returning in the league next year. Niego's injury really cost him his sophomore year--had he not been injured I think he would have made that big move forward and would be the likely winner of the trophy. So--he can move forward next year The team won a lot more when he was healthy. Maybe he was doing a bunch of things that didn't show up in the box score
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 8, 2019 8:51:23 GMT -5
Niego's injury really cost him his sophomore year--had he not been injured I think he would have made that big move forward and would be the likely winner of the trophy. So--he can move forward next year The team won a lot more when he was healthy. Maybe he was doing a bunch of things that didn't show up in the box score The team won a lot more in the OOC, which is the only time he played. His best games, by far, were in the losses to Michigan, Providence, and URI; in the six games in which he scored four points or fewer (and averaged one rebound and just 7 minutes of court time), we were 5-1.
I have no idea which Connor Niego we'll see next year - but certainly not counting on him to be the answer to our woes.
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Post by possum on Mar 8, 2019 9:21:07 GMT -5
There's no question we missed Niego but WooGray's points are well taken Niego got very inconsistent minutes and was scoreless in 4 of the 10 games he played. It should also be noted that we won the first 4 games he missed and our problems started when league play began. Even when he was available it didn't seem like there was a definitive role for him in the rotation it was erratic from game to game. Given the state of the front court going into next year he should get plenty of minutes to prove his worth.
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Post by Tom on Mar 8, 2019 9:41:59 GMT -5
I was purposely making the logical error of correlation vs causation. Yes, the wheels fell off about the time Niego got hurt, but I don't think his injury is the primary reason I cancelled my trip to Hart this weekend.
In the original poll, I voted for Faw. At season's end, I'm not sure there is any clear-cut player who improved the most
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 8, 2019 11:43:20 GMT -5
Preseason I picked Faw as well but will go with Green... my concern I saw no improvement that will make a difference in league play next season... we need a Floyd like improvement from at least one if not more of the rising 6 juniors
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2019 11:56:20 GMT -5
i think it is more likely to expect significant, but not Jehyve-like improvement, from the 6 juniors, Hargis and Verbeek
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 8, 2019 12:28:03 GMT -5
Everyone needs to improve, for sure. But for those who already have written off the freshmen as a result of this years' performance, it should be noted that not every kid hits the ground running. A few who didn't exactly have people predicting stardom after year 1:
Name/Freshman points scored Robert Champion - 66 Malcolm Miller - 51 Billy Walker - 50 Greg Kinsey - 41 Ted Bettencourt - 18 Aaron Jordan - 16 Roger Breslin - 11 Matt Husek - 0
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 8, 2019 15:51:33 GMT -5
Well, I've heard from a number of PR agents and offer the following sales pitches for some of our contenders
Jacob Grandison + Major improvement in 3 point shooting from a weak .317 (equal to team #326) to a solid .365 (equal to team #73) as he took 69 more shots and connected 31 more times + Reduced his rate of turnovers from 2.6/40 to 2.2/40 while likely handling the ball more + Reduced PF rate from 3.5/40 to 2.5/40 + O-Rating per KenPom went from 98.7 to 102.5 for the full season although it declined in PL play + Played 290 more minutes and score 181 more points, leading team in scoring [equals 25.0 pts/40 minutes for the added playing time] + Became more confident/assertive - 2 point shooting accuracy declined (shot selection?) from .585 to .488 [took 99 more 2 pt attempts and made 39 more]
Caleb Green + O-Rating per KenPom made a nice jump from 93.8 to 100.4 + Reduced turnover rate from an already low 2.3/40 minutes to 1.9/40 + Increased steals from 25 to 39 + Increased rebounds from 75 to 97 + Ironman played 152 more minutes and scored 83 more points [equals 21.8 pts/40 minutes for the added playing time] + Improved 3 point shooting percentage from a weak .309 (equal to team #336) to a middling .333 (team # 228) but note the strong improvement over the course of the season + Reduced already low PF rate from 2.0/40 minutes to 1.6/40
Austin Butler + strong improvement in 3 point shooting from a sub-optimal .328 (equal to team # 228) to a stellar .400 (equal to team #7), highest on team as he took 21 more shots and made 17 more threes + Led team in steals, going from 23 last year to 48 this year + Came on strong in conference play with a 105.1 O-rating (2nd highest on team) after being hampered by sore shoulder earlier in season. + Cut back significantly on personal fouls from 3.7/40 minutes last season to 2.4/40 this season + Became #2 on team in drawing fouls + Played 401 more minutes and added 120 points [equals 12.0/40 minutes for the added playing time] + Increased offensive rebounds from 29 to 38, 2nd on the team for both seasons - Two point percentage went down from .508 to .470 [took 68 more attempts and made 27 more twos] due to two horrendous games vs Michigan and Providence
Jehyve Floyd + Got to the line more often, going from 97 free throw attempts to 121 + Dramatically improved assists from 50 to a team-leading 116, a change in rate from 2.2/40 to 4.5/40 + While handling the ball so much more, reduced his turnovers from 72 to 68 + Increased blocked shots from 67 to a team single season record of 80. Led PL in block percentage + Played 99 more minutes and scored 49 more points [equals 19.8 pts/40 minutes for added playing time] +Defensive Player of the Year in Patriot League again +O-Rating went from 104.3 to a stellar 115.5
Matt Faw +Went from 9 steals last year to 27 this year and had highest rate/40 minutes on the team + Finished second on the team in block with 23, up from 13 last year + Reduced personal fouls from a woeful 8.5/40 minutes to 5.8/40 (still too high....) + Played 287 more minutes and scored 80 more points [equals 11/1 pts/40 minutes for added playing time)
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