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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2018 15:01:30 GMT -5
Does any college in America field 40 minor sports?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 14, 2018 16:25:00 GMT -5
Does any college in America field 40 minor sports? Yes, but not Georgetown.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2018 17:48:30 GMT -5
Who (which college) has 40 minor sports?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 14, 2018 23:40:43 GMT -5
Harvard site lists 40 total sports, major or minor; Yale has 34; Princeton 35. Stanford has 36
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 15, 2018 0:47:55 GMT -5
Georgetown U. is land poor. A small stadium is basically all that will fit. The baseball team's home field is in Rockville MD, the softball team field is a municipal playground field. M/W soccer have their own on-campus field, seats around 1,500. Field hockey, football, and M/W lacrosse use Cooper Field, where the stands are being renovated. Georgetown's outdoor track is near campus, but it is a city-owned track (re-furbished by Georgetown alums). I think it is sufficient for the running events; apparently con't compete in field events anymore. True story--the track was built too small. It runs five laps to the mile instead of four, so no actual events are held there. Georgetown still competes in Big East and NCAA field events, but lacking practice space, isn't as successful.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2018 7:21:47 GMT -5
Georgetown U. is land poor. A small stadium is basically all that will fit. The baseball team's home field is in Rockville MD, the softball team field is a municipal playground field. M/W soccer have their own on-campus field, seats around 1,500. Field hockey, football, and M/W lacrosse use Cooper Field, where the stands are being renovated. Georgetown's outdoor track is near campus, but it is a city-owned track (re-furbished by Georgetown alums). I think it is sufficient for the running events; apparently con't compete in field events anymore. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501725_2.htmlBut men's basketball plays in an NBA-style venue, and GU spent $17.7 million on that program in 2016-17. That is $5 million more than HC spent (including football scollies) on all of its men's sports in 2016-17. Whatever floats your boat. Men's basketball has made Georgetown what they are today. Patrick Ewing is to G'Town as Doug Flutie is to BC. They've put the priority on Men's basketball instead of 40 minor sports. I think it's worked out pretty well for them. No doubt by focusing on hoops rather than football and all the minor (and virtually unwatched) non-revenue sports we'd have higher name recognition today - and could have invested those saved monies elsewhere. I wouldn't be the first (or the last ) to suggest doing so but I suspect our current identity as a progressive Catholic liberal arts college that participates in a lot of D-1 sports is what we are going with for the foreseeable future. Plus, given our facilities, a move to a Providence/St John's/Gonzaga/Marquette/etc.-style athletic posture does not seem to be in the cards.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 15, 2018 8:22:04 GMT -5
Georgetown U. is land poor. A small stadium is basically all that will fit. The baseball team's home field is in Rockville MD, the softball team field is a municipal playground field. M/W soccer have their own on-campus field, seats around 1,500. Field hockey, football, and M/W lacrosse use Cooper Field, where the stands are being renovated. Georgetown's outdoor track is near campus, but it is a city-owned track (re-furbished by Georgetown alums). I think it is sufficient for the running events; apparently con't compete in field events anymore. True story--the track was built too small. It runs five laps to the mile instead of four, so no actual events are held there. Georgetown still competes in Big East and NCAA field events, but lacking practice space, isn't as successful. 1/5 of a mile tracks used to be much more common than they are now (I have officiated at a number of these). It is simple to hold a meet there and teams do, but can understand why a coach might not care to since runners use laps to set pace and to get their split times. It does take some getting used to.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2018 8:55:50 GMT -5
Men's basketball has made Georgetown what they are today. Patrick Ewing is to G'Town as Doug Flutie is to BC. They've put the priority on Men's basketball instead of 40 minor sports. I think it's worked out pretty well for them. No doubt by focusing on hoops rather than football and all the minor (and virtually unwatched) non-revenue sports we'd have higher name recognition today - and could have invested those saved monies elsewhere. I wouldn't be the first (or the last ) to suggest doing so but I suspect our current identity as a progressive Catholic liberal arts college that participates in a lot of D-1 sports is what we are going with for the foreseeable future. Plus, given our facilities, a move to a Providence/St John's/Gonzaga/Marquette/etc.-style athletic posture does not seem to be in the cards. I'm pretty sure you nailed it on the italicized statement -- "a Jesuit Catholic, sort-of-urban Williams College with an Ivy model Division I athletic program (and maybe Hockey East)" is the vision the powers have in their heads.
The school does not want to become a Gonzaga, Creighton, Loyola (Chicago) or a Providence. Academic image will always be king here. I am personally a non-believer in the Flutie effect when it comes to schools at our academic level. Has the overall quality of Holy Cross applicants declined since the beginning of the PL era? I highly doubt it despite the fact that name-dropping Holy Cross nowadays to a casual college sports fan might result in a "where is that?" or "that's where Rudy took classes before ND" where in the past those same types of individuals would have recognized the school as an athletic rival of Boston College.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 15, 2018 9:18:58 GMT -5
Hopefully the upcoming schedule changes are moving HC out of the Patriot League and into FBS. Or a higher division FCS. Looked at UMass attendances and they aren't much higher than HC. Umass games Vs Duquesne 8,684 Vs Charlotte 10,086 Vs South Florida 7,988 Vs Costal Carolina 11,134 Vs Liberty 10,338 Again this is FBS teams a lot more appeal than Patriot League teams. In HC last two home games the weather was miserable, so the low number is understandable. Would rather play big time teams in FBS than win against small teams that have little to no fanbases in FCS.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 15, 2018 9:19:21 GMT -5
True story--the track was built too small. It runs five laps to the mile instead of four, so no actual events are held there. Georgetown still competes in Big East and NCAA field events, but lacking practice space, isn't as successful. 1/5 of a mile tracks used to be much more common than they are now (I have officiated at a number of these). It is simple to hold a meet there and teams do, but can understand why a coach might not care to since runners use laps to set pace and to get their split times. It does take some getting used to. Trying to remember: was there some kind of cinder track around the baseball field back in the day? There was also a (I think) 1/8 mile (standard surface used in the 60s and 70s) track more or less where the Fitton parking garage is.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 15, 2018 9:37:30 GMT -5
1/5 of a mile tracks used to be much more common than they are now (I have officiated at a number of these). It is simple to hold a meet there and teams do, but can understand why a coach might not care to since runners use laps to set pace and to get their split times. It does take some getting used to. Trying to remember: was there some kind of cinder track around the baseball field back in the day? There was also a (I think) 1/8 mile (standard surface used in the 60s and 70s) track more or less where the Fitton parking garage is. I recall the track around the baseball field and there was that 1/8th mile track between Fitton and Linden Lane
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Post by timholycross on Nov 15, 2018 9:46:16 GMT -5
Hopefully the upcoming schedule changes are moving HC out of the Patriot League and into FBS. Or a higher division FCS. Looked at UMass attendances and they aren't much higher than HC. Umass games Vs Duquesne 8,684 Vs Charlotte 10,086 Vs South Florida 7,988 Vs Costal Carolina 11,134 Vs Liberty 10,338 Again this is FBS teams a lot more appeal than Patriot League teams. In HC last two home games the weather was miserable, so the low number is understandable. Would rather play big time teams in FBS than win against small teams that have little to no fanbases in FCS. Your example of Umass makes a much better case for the CAA versus FBS low level. Not to mention Umass is 8X larger than HC. Compare this year to 2010, last year they were full-fledged CAA and in 2010 they had two 10K games, one 12K and two 16Ks (one vs HC). And Gillette; in 2010 it was a novelty and they drew 32K there vs UNH. This year, vs BYU, a bigger name team than any of the ones listed above, they drew 14K (and I have my suspicions there weren't that many there). Also, how much more $ are they spending to draw less? Without guarantee games like this week's at Georgia they'd be out of business.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 15, 2018 9:50:07 GMT -5
1/5 of a mile tracks used to be much more common than they are now (I have officiated at a number of these). It is simple to hold a meet there and teams do, but can understand why a coach might not care to since runners use laps to set pace and to get their split times. It does take some getting used to. Trying to remember: was there some kind of cinder track around the baseball field back in the day? There was also a (I think) 1/8 mile (standard surface used in the 60s and 70s) track more or less where the Fitton parking garage is. The track around the baseball field was cinder (going back to when HC had its first baseball stadium). That track had a straightaway running behind where the visitor stands are now and it had 4 separate corners. It was one of a kind. The banked wood track was IIRC 1/8 of a mile and it caused a number of leg problems (shin splints, for one type). It was behind Fitton Field, just below Kimball (next to the steps down from the Quad).
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2018 12:47:58 GMT -5
Hopefully the upcoming schedule changes are moving HC out of the Patriot League and into FBS. Or a higher division FCS. Looked at UMass attendances and they aren't much higher than HC. Umass games Vs Duquesne 8,684 Vs Charlotte 10,086 Vs South Florida 7,988 Vs Costal Carolina 11,134 Vs Liberty 10,338 Again this is FBS teams a lot more appeal than Patriot League teams. In HC last two home games the weather was miserable, so the low number is understandable. Would rather play big time teams in FBS than win against small teams that have little to no fanbases in FCS. Our game in Amherst in 2007 drew 14,000. If we wind up on their schedule again soon, we could easily be their biggest home draw aside from a game in Gillette against a P5. As as far as Holy Cross football going into FBS, never ever going to happen nor should it. I don't mind the PL as a football conference aside from the collective struggle as a league to become more competitive since scholarships. But the CAA would be a solid all-sports home for our fan base as well.
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Post by joe on Nov 15, 2018 12:52:32 GMT -5
Are there any FCS independents? I'd imagine we'd have almost the same schedule as we have now, maybe a little more exciting, and be free to recruit, admit, and roster without all the nonsensical PL handicapping. We'd lose the auto-bid and have to get into the FCS playoffs on our own merit, which would basically be the only scenario where we'd have a genuine chance of winning a national championship anyway. To me there are more plusses than minuses, but I'm sure the pessimists/"realists" will disagree.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 15, 2018 13:57:12 GMT -5
Are there any FCS independents? I'd imagine we'd have almost the same schedule as we have now, maybe a little more exciting, and be free to recruit, admit, and roster without all the nonsensical PL handicapping. We'd lose the auto-bid and have to get into the FCS playoffs on our own merit, which would basically be the only scenario where we'd have a genuine chance of winning a national championship anyway. To me there are more plusses than minuses, but I'm sure the pessimists/"realists" will disagree. There are two FCS independents: North Alabama and Hampton. I should think that scheduling would be very difficult for the period when conference play begins. Hampton's schedule includes Shaw Monmouth---FCS Big South Tenn State-- FCS Ohio Valley Northern Iowa-- FCS Missouri Valley Charleston Southern- FCS Big South Lane Presbyterian-- FCS Big South Virginia University of Lynchburg SUNY Maritime Miss Valley State-- FCS SWAC-East St Andrews So it looks like Hampton had to create a schedule of low level FCS teams and then 4 that are D-2 or D-3 or NAIA North Alabama scheduled Southern Utah- FCS Big Sky Alabama A & M-- FCS SWAC East North Dakota State- FCS Missouri Valley-- Azusa Pacific-- Campbell--FCS Big South West Florida-- Mississippi College-- Jackson State-FCS SWAC East Shorter North Greenville
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Post by joe on Nov 15, 2018 14:46:44 GMT -5
Interesting information KY. I wonder with the high number of FCS teams huddled along the east coast if we would have as much trouble finding willing dance partners. All the teams we usually play would still need a game against a good FCS opponent.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 15, 2018 16:27:40 GMT -5
They would have to be both willing and able. If they don't have open dates, we can't schedule them. I am doubtful that any Crusader fan would want the type of schedule that Hampton or North Alabama has this year.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 15, 2018 16:42:09 GMT -5
The problem with being an independent is that once conferences start league play, its very hard to break into their schedules. Which is why HC's OOC games are usually front-loaded.
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Post by spenser on Nov 15, 2018 17:27:09 GMT -5
1/5 of a mile tracks used to be much more common than they are now (I have officiated at a number of these). It is simple to hold a meet there and teams do, but can understand why a coach might not care to since runners use laps to set pace and to get their split times. It does take some getting used to. Trying to remember: was there some kind of cinder track around the baseball field back in the day? There was also a (I think) 1/8 mile (standard surface used in the 60s and 70s) track more or less where the Fitton parking garage is. Correct on both counts.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 15, 2018 17:34:32 GMT -5
Finally a nice weather day for game-day forecasted in DC Saturday....about 50, light (5-10) wind. Should favor us in that we have the bettah O etc.
I have a picture somewhere of me running on that 1/8 mile track as a little kid in the 60s...have to find it lol
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Post by timholycross on Nov 15, 2018 17:51:30 GMT -5
FCS Independents seem historically to only be schools who are moving on to another conference and/or another level of play.
The two schools mentioned are no exception. North Alabama (up from D2) and Hampton (leaving the MEAC) are both joining the Big South for football.
No school would consider that move permanently.
And in basketball HC would have as much a chance of making the dance as an independent as they do now of getting to the Final Four.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2018 18:57:11 GMT -5
There hasn't been a prominent FCS/I-AA independent since William & Mary joined the Yankee Conference in 1993. Even at the FBS level, it's a near-impossible place to be unless you are a cult-like religious institution or a service academy. Look at UMASS schedule.
Liberty, who is transitioning to FBS, actually scheduled a HOME AND HOME with New Mexico State this year just to fill out a schedule. Maybe we could've done the same with North Alabama....
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 15, 2018 19:37:38 GMT -5
And all this has to do what about the GU-HC football game?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 15, 2018 19:51:22 GMT -5
I fear some are already looking at this game as an automatic win. I hope and believe it will be a victory...but I do not feel it will be an easy one by any means. Georgetown has given us fits before. GO CROSS GO!
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