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Post by hchoops on Dec 22, 2018 19:14:06 GMT -5
Pomeroy Non Conference strength of schedule HC —188 St. John’s—339
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 22, 2018 19:28:37 GMT -5
I was down on Carmody, but winning solves all problems. He is 8-4. 4-0 at Hart Center The record is the only thing that matters. I would be curious to hear what the “A Win Is A Win” and “The W Is All That Matters” crowd would think of the 11-0 start that St. John’s has had this year. I believe that Chris Mullin has received some flak around here, but that must all be just brushed aside now, right? There is a difference between St Johns and Holy Cross. All St Johns has is the basketball program and they play some of their games at Madison Square Garden. They have a former NBA and great college basketball player as their coach. They play in the Big East. There is no need for them to play such a fluff schedule, but Georgetown did it last year and this year. The coaches want to rack up wins but it doesn't help the team when they go play better competition. But a HC win vs Siena, which is a team they played twice this year and is very similar to them is a good win. It would be like St Johns beating Syracuse. Both teams are similar. Your making it seem like Holy Cross is playing Coppin St, Clark, WPI and Worcetser State.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 22, 2018 19:30:08 GMT -5
Pomeroy Non Conference strength of schedule HC —188 St. John’s—339 But when HC beats a bad team, strength of opponent/victory is not really allowed to be considered when “a win is a win.” Just doing my best to keep track of the goal posts!
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 22, 2018 19:30:47 GMT -5
Pomeroy Non Conference strength of schedule HC —188 St. John’s—339 Is there “bad” games on St Johns schedule? Yes but this is what they have played Loyola Maryland Bowling Green @ Rutgers Vs Cal and VCU in Legends Classic Maryland Eastern Shore Georgia Tech in Hoophall Invite in Miami Mount St Mary’s Princeton Wagner St Francis Brooklyn Sacred Heart (tonight)
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Post by hchoops on Dec 22, 2018 20:13:49 GMT -5
Pomeroy Non Conference strength of schedule HC —188 St. John’s—339 Is there “bad” games on St Johns schedule? Yes but this is what they have played Loyola Maryland Bowling Green @ Rutgers Vs Cal and VCU in Legends Classic Maryland Eastern Shore Georgia Tech in Hoophall Invite in Miami Mount St Mary’s Princeton Wagner St Francis Brooklyn Sacred Heart (tonight) 339 of 353 for a Big East school is a disgrace Georgetown is 268
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 22, 2018 22:20:38 GMT -5
339 of 353 for a Big East school is a disgrace Georgetown is 268 Amen. Well said. bringbackcaro doesn't like the response because he has an agenda and doesn't want to be challenged with the facts. By the way, I have spoken to several alumni who are now regularly watching the games with renewed interest because "this is a very likable team that comes to play every game." They read the board but do not post. Thank you, Coach Carmody!
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 23, 2018 20:39:18 GMT -5
Coach Carm showed his Christmas spirit with a fancy Christmas tie on Saturday....He rarely wears a tie to a game..He is feeling good about his team!
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 23, 2018 22:30:18 GMT -5
Is there “bad” games on St Johns schedule? Yes but this is what they have played Loyola Maryland Bowling Green @ Rutgers Vs Cal and VCU in Legends Classic Maryland Eastern Shore Georgia Tech in Hoophall Invite in Miami Mount St Mary’s Princeton Wagner St Francis Brooklyn Sacred Heart (tonight) 339 of 353 for a Big East school is a disgrace Georgetown is 268 John Thimpson’s 70s & 80s teams always had St. Leo as one of their first games. I hope they’ve at least moved up from that!
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Post by bison137 on Dec 24, 2018 1:41:59 GMT -5
But a HC win vs Siena, which is a team they played twice this year and is very similar to them is a good win. It would be like St Johns beating Syracuse. Both teams are similar. Siena currently is ranked 279th in the nation - and falling fast. Their roster has one of their top seven players back from last year, and none of their top six scorers. I hope HC is not "very similar" to Siena.
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 30, 2018 13:44:41 GMT -5
......and I had a bad bad mustache at HC It was better than Cluess’
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Post by hchoops on Dec 30, 2018 17:02:55 GMT -5
And your strategic knowledge of hoops is equal to or better than Cluess.
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Post by nhteamer on Jan 3, 2019 16:30:15 GMT -5
will be back up on threads later tonight.............so, I thought, why not now?
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Post by hchoops on Jan 5, 2019 9:30:00 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 5, 2019 9:41:37 GMT -5
Bo Ryan said the same thing at his HOF induction ceremony two years ago.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 5, 2019 10:19:40 GMT -5
Since Ralph was acclaimed to be one of, if not the best, defensive minds, we have had two highly respected coaches in this brief century. Add to Doggie Julian, Buster Sheary, Roy Leenig, and George Blaney, and that is quite a coaching tradition.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 5, 2019 11:51:57 GMT -5
FWIW, our scoring average has improved over the prior year both this year and last year. This is consistent with the eyeball test which suggests we are more comfortable offensively than we have been the prior two years. Perhaps more importantly, this is the first season in the Carmody era when we are averaging more points than our opponents. Interestingly, this phenomenon has translated to more wins. #analysis Will be interesting to see what the averages look like for the full season.
2015-16: 64.8 (69.9) 2016-17: 60.4 (62.1) 2017-18: 63.6 (67.7) 2018-19: 68.4 (66.4)
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Post by dadominate on Jan 5, 2019 12:10:30 GMT -5
i’m shocked that thad matta and bo ryan think carmody has a better offensive basketball mind than bringbackcaro. have they not read crossports 😂?!? to hchoops’ point, we are fortunate to have had two of the better basketball technicians in the recent college hoops landscape leading our program in willard and carmody.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 5, 2019 12:24:09 GMT -5
i’m shocked that thad matta and bo ryan think carmody has a better offensive basketball mind than bringbackcaro. have they not read crossports 😂?!? to hchoops’ point, we are fortunate to have had two of the better basketball technicians in the recent college hoops landscape leading our program in willard and ‘We are indeed lucky to have had a number Of people on the bench that can teach and develop players. I think over time the PL has had some pretty decent bench coaches as well
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2019 14:47:46 GMT -5
I'm watching LaSalle vs UMass at the Mullins Center on NBCSN. Beautiful arena seating 9393, national sports network broadcast, decent crowd, large video board, both teams in A-10, generally considered a notch above the PL, yet we smacked UMass and would smack LaSalle imo. What's the reason?
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2019 14:52:01 GMT -5
BTW, the Mullins Center is a dual hockey/bb arena with a parquet bb floor in homage to the storied Boston Garden. Nice touch by the State U.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2019 15:02:27 GMT -5
UMass losing at home at end of a tight game and their young coach gets called for a Technical foul. Much less likely that happens with our seasoned coach.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 5, 2019 16:55:34 GMT -5
Disclaimer: My opinion based on stats is included below. Please skip if you are too sensitive to read something written by someone who might have a different opinion than you.
IMO, there is a difference between being an excellent “mind” and an excellent “coach,” and actually designing and implementing schemes that a team can effectively execute. For example, Tom Gilmore is an excellent defensive mind, but his schemes were so complex that the team had difficulty actually executing them.
Carmody’s actual coaching has produced an average offensive efficiency of 147.4 over the fourteen years that KenPom was tracked, including only four teams in the top 100 (out of 14 seasons).
As a couple points of comparison for avg offensive efficiency with guys who have been dragged around this board: Tommy Amaker: 124.8 - 9 top 100 finishes in 18 seasons Tim Cluess: 51.5 - 8 top 100 finishes in 9 seasons
Carmody may be an excellent offensive mind, but his teams’ offensive results have not exactly been excellent.
Ralph Willard’s name was also brought up. Unlike Carmody’s offenses, RW’s defenses performed at a very high level. Over the 8 KenPom years, his defenses had an average efficiency ranking of 70.1, including 6 of 8 in the top 75, and a minimum ranking of 149.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 5, 2019 19:06:36 GMT -5
We should never let facts get in the way of our opinions. However, it depends on which facts and context is everything. I think Carmody's team plays a beautiful game of basketball.I enjoy watching them play. The great coach Ralph Willard I suspect geared his team's style - deliberate offense with a rough, rugged defense - to the kind of talent he was able to get at HC and the teams on his schedule. My friend who was afriend of a coach told me that he was told by said coach that this coach and others did not like playing against Willard's teams because they were rough bordering on dirty, even though they regularly beat HC. Quite simply they were concerned about injuries to their guys in games against HC. Naturally I responded that I didn't buy it and they should just put on their jock straps, lace up their sneakers, play the damn game and shut the hell up. But then some teams stopped playing us. Hmmn. Does anyone know if there is any truth to what I was told? There were quite a few teams that wouldn’t play HC, but the only thing they were afraid of was losing. They just used the “rough play” as an excuse. RW employed a physical style with his HC teams, but absolutely nothing about it was dirty.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 5, 2019 19:12:10 GMT -5
I agree with bbc 100%. RW's team played hard but NOT dirty. That was the excuse a couple of coaches used to stop playing HC.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 5, 2019 19:18:24 GMT -5
As posted here often and many of us saw and heard first hand, two coaches/teams immediately come to mind: 1. MCCrybaby at Siena and 2. Skinner at BC.
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