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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2018 17:08:34 GMT -5
A side point: Frosh may get plying time because they are outstanding, but frosh also get more minutes when there are not strong upperclassmen ahead of them. The fact that a frosh gets playing time does not, by itself, mean much...or tell us about just how good he may be.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 19, 2018 18:25:16 GMT -5
Just one year ago we were playing 4-5 freshmen every game (sometimes all 6). I believe we are in a much better spot right now!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 19, 2018 18:28:18 GMT -5
A side point: Frosh may get plying time because they are outstanding, but frosh also get more minutes when there are not strong upperclassmen ahead of them. The fact that a frosh gets playing time does not, by itself, mean much...or tell us about just how good he may be. The exact argument that could have been made about Holy Cross last year.
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Post by possum on Nov 19, 2018 18:35:03 GMT -5
RGS, BU Lehigh and Bucknell have strong upperclassmen also. You gave me the same argument two years ago and that did not turn out well.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2018 18:46:11 GMT -5
RGS, BU Lehigh and Bucknell have strong upperclassmen also. You gave me the same argument two years ago and that did not turn out well. Your interpretation is interesting, but I did not offer any "argument" here. I merely stated two different interpretations of the point that was offered above about how much playing time the frosh were getting at other schools. It seemed to imply that because frosh were getting more playing time at other schools, their frosh must be better than those at HC. That is possible but may reflect a bias on the part of the one offering it more than any evidence that such is the case.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2018 18:48:49 GMT -5
A side point: Frosh may get plying time because they are outstanding, but frosh also get more minutes when there are not strong upperclassmen ahead of them. The fact that a frosh gets playing time does not, by itself, mean much...or tell us about just how good he may be. The exact argument that could have been made about Holy Cross last year. It is still not an "argument." Last year HC clearly did not have seniors so frosh got more time because of weaker sophomore and senior classes AND the talent shown by this group of frosh (now sophs). The statement I made could be made about almost any team in any season. Are you really unable to see that?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 19, 2018 18:50:12 GMT -5
Re: BU, juniors Max Mahoney and Tyler Scanlon are all-PL candidates. Sophomore Walter Whyte was All-Rookie last year and soph Javante McCoy is averaging 13ppg. .One of the reasons the BU freshmen are getting more time is that Whyte has been hurt. The other reason is that they're pretty good. Tynen, Guest, and Hemphill, per VC, had a combined twenty-eight offers.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2018 19:27:14 GMT -5
Thanks, WG. I appreciate the facts.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 19, 2018 19:46:13 GMT -5
Lehigh and Bucknell are also going 9 deep, each with a couple of freshmen in the rotation. We have three players averaging 35 minutes a game and I'm quite sure it would be four if Floyd wasn't in foul trouble a couple of times. Grandison has played the whole game in the last two save for a minute of garbage time against Stony Brook. It's a long season and I don't think its a good idea for the guys to be playing this many minutes as fatigue leads to decreased productivity and often injuries. Most teams use the OOC schedule to utilize the roster and develop their rotation for league play. To date, it doesn't appear that is Carmody's plan unless he's already determined that the top 7 is all that he's comfortable playing. Does anyone know what the story is with Zignorski is he still hurt, is he expected back? Rationale for a shorter bench might be to build a winning mentality and culture early in the season and then begin to stretch the bench as the season moves forward. I think CN has to get more minutes in December and that means they come at the expense of a teammate. I know most will disagree, but imho he would get the time otherwise going to PB. We have a variety of rotations for the backcourt, and by time league play comes around we need the same options for the bigs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 19, 2018 20:03:17 GMT -5
Carmody is going to play the guys who he believes will give us the best chance to win. If a player isn’t playing, he’s not ready to contribute. Very simple. At this juncture, we have seven players in the roster who are going to seeing regular and consistent minutes. Right now, that comes down to two seniors and five sophomores. We are not a deep team at all — hopefully this doesn’t catch up to us. End.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 19, 2018 20:08:14 GMT -5
It is a little early to start worrying about the small rotation. When you play top 100 teams, out of necessity you want to have your top five players on the floor. The Siena game was a bit of a statistical outlier, as very few fouls were called and the first half was barely 30 minutes long. Probably better to look at the minutes played and make comparisons after 10 games.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 19, 2018 20:15:52 GMT -5
The bench seems to be getting shorter. Copeland who had been an 8th man only saw mop-up duty on Friday and nothing Sunday. LeSann had his end of first half cameo on Friday - nothing Sunday. Probably a match-up thing with Fisher, but Niego did not play at all in the 2nd half. Six guys got 2nd half minutes. After I got home I checked the ESPN3 archive and I still don't know why Butler got a technical and neither do the commentators. On the other hand I can say the same thing about Fisher's technical right afterwards. Weekend was definitely worth the double trek
Complete lack of foul trouble yesterday was probably a factor in the shorter bench, at least for Niego. And for Copeland.... you almost couldn't sit down Butler and Grandison the way they were going.
Agree that both the Butler and Fisher techs were dubious at best, phantom at worst.
Is Carmody interviewed after games where he could be asked to explain the technicals and the status of Ziggy and the frosh? Also does anyone know why Karl Charles and the other two kids were kicked off the team?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 19, 2018 20:55:39 GMT -5
The most extreme example of a short bench in recent PL play was American in the 2015 PLT. They beat Lehigh (and Kempton) in the quarter-finals with a 6-4 center and just 23 minutes off the bench. Three days later, they beat Colgate, getting only 12 minutes off the bench. Then, in the finals, the starters played all but 1 minute. Injuries dictated this to a large extent, but they did get within a basket of winning the championship.
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Post by lou on Nov 19, 2018 20:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by Ray on Nov 19, 2018 21:35:55 GMT -5
Complete lack of foul trouble yesterday was probably a factor in the shorter bench, at least for Niego. And for Copeland.... you almost couldn't sit down Butler and Grandison the way they were going.
Agree that both the Butler and Fisher techs were dubious at best, phantom at worst.
Is Carmody interviewed after games where he could be asked to explain the technicals and the status of Ziggy and the frosh? Also does anyone know why Karl Charles and the other two kids were kicked off the team? Carmody, of course, didn't assess the techs. He may have gotten explanations from the refs, but doubt he would share much.
I think a bunch of people are aware of the situation from last year with those players, but we're not discussing rumors per board rules.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2018 9:36:08 GMT -5
How many times will I see ‘Sienna’ ? hey guys, that’s a car - Siena is a famous town in Italy - I cant think of any schools named for a car.Since we’re playing them again, I thought i’d Straighten this out now Buick Lacrosse and the University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse Nova Southeastern University.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2018 9:48:18 GMT -5
Complete lack of foul trouble yesterday was probably a factor in the shorter bench, at least for Niego. And for Copeland.... you almost couldn't sit down Butler and Grandison the way they were going.
Agree that both the Butler and Fisher techs were dubious at best, phantom at worst.
Is Carmody interviewed after games where he could be asked to explain the technicals and the status of Ziggy and the frosh? Also does anyone know why Karl Charles and the other two kids were kicked off the team? There are rumors (which at this point are most likely fact) as to what happened with Charles, Stevens and Cohen* but it's clearly board policy (in so many words) that those rumors not be printed here until there is some kind of public statement by the school or the players. No statement has been made to my knowledge. Wish there was this much confidentiality in the federal government, things would run better IMHO. It's a good thing if a couple of the newcomers start to get minutes when league play rolls around. They'll be a role for them, but give them time to develop; make them meet or excede the guys who have been there for a while. *Cohen seems to have settled in at D2 Pace University- starting and averaging 8 ppg and 3 rpg. According to the roster he's a junior (played JUCO one or two years).
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2018 10:00:09 GMT -5
Nice to see a photo of Ziggy on the Albany preview.
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Post by Tom on Nov 20, 2018 11:21:43 GMT -5
Nice to see a photo of Ziggy on the Albany preview. Sunday after the Sienna game, the PA announcer invited Coach Carmody onto the floor along with team captains Floyd, Benzan, and Zignorski to accept the championship trophy. After they were out there, Coach Carmody took it upon himself to bring the whole team on the floor for the photo op On a semi related note, Coach Carmody seems to try to hide behind the big guys whenever there's this type of photo op
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2018 12:42:35 GMT -5
My take is Carmody is an introvert who doesn't feel comfortable in any limelight whether that be pictures or interviews for sure, even hates the Coaches Nights with a friendly/supportive audience. Just like Belichick (father, not daughter).
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 20, 2018 13:17:16 GMT -5
My wife and I spoke to Coach Carmody at the gathering for coaches and alums in the Bud Ryan Room during reunion last summer. We talked to him about his Northwestern days and he was congenial since we’re from Illinois. Also, said HC couldn’t get many athletes due to the academic standards. Liked him in the little time we talked but opened up after finding common ground-Northwestern days and Irish heritage. Wish him and the team much success this year.
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